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Seeing as absolutely everyone misread the /hikki/ rules sticky and used it to draw apocalyptic conclusions about the death of all that was good about /n/, here's a less flippant sticky with less room for ambiguity, in the form of a Q&A. We've also made some concessions based on your feedback in thread >>13, which was moved to /sugg/ for being meta.

What is allowed on this board? What is its purpose?
On this board you can discuss and request or give advice regarding NEETism, Hikikomoriism, anxieties and social or mental issues arising from these conditions of living, and things closely related to these topics. If you're content with being a NEET at this stage in your life, that's ok, and you won't get in trouble for saying so. The board's primary focus is self-help and advice regarding these issues, and particularly help in escaping the NEET lifestyle, but this focus is not exclusive. Despite rumors, threads looking for help with suicidal feelings or drug addition are also allowed.

What is not allowed on this board?
* Encouraging others to become NEET.
* Attacking or discouraging others for being NEET.
* Giving or requesting advice on how to enter the NEET lifestyle.
* Encouraging or showcasing drug usage.
* Announcing your planned suicide. Call a hotline or something just don't do it here or it becomes my legal responsibility.
* Helping others to plan or commit suicide.
* Topics not related to the purpose of the board. Such topics will be moved.
* Intentionally breaking these rules or the global rules will still result in a warning or ban.
* Rule 6 is enforced more liberally on /hikki/. Users may be banned from /hikki/ for inflammatory remarks in cases which might not result in a ban on other boards.
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Anyone here has an absolute lack of motivation to do anything? Usually I find it hard to relate to other people because they mention having a hobby, having "only one friend" or even a girlfriend. Well, I have neither of those.

I have a really hard time to start doing things because of this lack of motivation, but when I finally find something I like, I usually get bored or tired of doing it in like… 2 days or so. With friends, I also have this social anxiety, I can't look at other people's eyes and can't even start a conversation. And the worst part is that whenever I feel like we're finally becoming friends or having a good relationship, I have no idea why but I start feeling uncomfortable around them at the point that I start avoiding them…

So, after a few years being a hikki, I finally got slightly motivated to find a way to move to Japan. I studied a bit and got a scholarship to study in a Japanese university. Well… It's been more than a year already, and after the first month here I stopped going to classes, made no friends and have no motivation to do anything at all again. I basically buy enough food for a few weeks, store everything inside the fridge (which is just next to my bed) and don't go out of the bed until I start feeling really hungry.

Have you ever been in a similar situation? How do you usually find motivation to start doing something new?
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>Anyone here has an absolute lack of motivation to do anything?
Yea sometime I find it hard to even wake up sometimes. Much less do anything else. I dont feel and have never felt a need to have a girl friend. I dont feel the need to socialize so I dont.
>How do you usually find motivation to start doing something new?
I dont it finds me. If I think something looks cool or interesting I look into it.


my motivation is really sporadic and heavily influenced by people, sometimes ill meet someone in a game, talk to them for awhile and meeting them irl and having them be proud of me and thatll fuel me for a week or two then i lose interest in them and in what i was doing, this happens all the time even with people thatll just smile and say hello except i maladaptive daydream about them, im really lonely i guess


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>Anyone here has an absolute lack of motivation to do anything?

I do and it is an inescapable nightmare. The only discernible sense of passion I have for anything is for developing shitty rudimentary RPG Maker games in some vain attempt to make myself understood, since every other artistic medium I dabbled in didn't interest me enough to make me keep working within them.

Any small amount of time I spend developing a game is immediately trumped by the many hours I spend half-heartedly watching the same gay baby shows, mindlessly consuming shitty youtube videos by personality's I despise, and sleeping.

With the threat of having to gain employment soon or face homelessness, I realize that i'll have even less time to spend on the one thing I kind of give a shit about.


I used to be able to do hobby stuff… those days are behind me. I just can't force myself to do anything semi-productive anymore, and if I can, I can't focus at all so it's no use. my brain is literally broken.


same here. i just lay in bed all time.

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hi /n/, im curious about the NEETdom and wondering if you could answer some questions?

how long have you been a NEET?
was there a reason for you becoming a NEET?
what do you do all day?
what form of social interaction do you have, online and offline?
how often do you get outside, if at all?
do you live independently or with parents?
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>how long have you been a NEET?
almost a year now
>was there a reason for you becoming a NEET?
no, its my own doing. I am absolutely opposed to getting a job or going to college.
>what do you do all day?
chat on IRC, read, post on *chans, sleep (usually during the daytime)
>what form of social interaction do you have, online and offline?
online: see above. offline I avoid interaction as much as I can.
>how often do you get outside, if at all?
I usually go for a walk every midnight or so.
>do you live independently or with parents?
I live alone


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>how long have you been a NEET?
About seven years.

>was there a reason for you becoming a NEET?

Immense stress from family issues and high school alongside mental illness. Attempted to find work after a mental breakdown where I refused to leave the house for months. No results, even with assistance from a job employment agency. Realized after a few years that I had no strong sense of direction and dedicated myself to indulging in my hobbies for a while.

>what do you do all day?

Used to just entertain myself with media-related hobbies like vidya, anime and movies. Even tried to do productive and social stuff like write stories, online roleplay, build Gunpla and online tabletop RPGs. Now I just sit in front of my computer screen and desperately try to find ways to amuse myself until my next online D&D session with friends I've met in real life.

>what form of social interaction do you have, online and offline?

Online: I frequently chat with friends on Discord or Steam. But I'm inevitably losing the ability to hold a conversation with them.
Offline: My mother and younger brother at home, neighbors, and my job agency provider that I see every fortnight. Otherwise I just talk to cashiers whenever I need to leave the house for anything.

>how often do you get outside, if at all?

Once or twice a week, I think. There's nothing to do in this town that interests me enough to leave the house unless my friends come to visit me from another state or town.
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>how long have you been a NEET?

Since I was about 13 years old.

>was there a reason for you becoming a NEET?

Yes. My parents took me out of school at 12-13ish because muh religion or something, then let me rot with only the internet to keep me company. Severe neglect. That was of course a long time ago, I'm too far gone now.

>what do you do all day?

Practically nothing.
Browse, watch, post, vidya, fap, eat, shit, sleep. Literally all I do. I used to have code/art projects to keep me busy. I fucked up my routine and then everything went to shit. Can't get back into it no matter how hard I try. I lack the executive function to force myself to do anything that takes more effort than writing a text post, despite the fact that I want to. My brain is fried beyond belief. My autism and ADHD are probably progressive. Maybe I have clinical depression now too.

>what form of social interaction do you have, online and offline?

A few discord friends I play vidya with on occasions, image boards and reddit are all my interactions outside of exchanging a few words with parents each day. I often speak less than 20 words per day, sometimes even 0.
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A hikki living alone without a job? It's rare, but it can and does happen.

I've read about porn commission/Patreon artists and porn game devs who didn't leave their houses for 6+ months at a time (which is something I've strongly considered pursuing myself, but I'm not skilled enough yet).



Fuck, well ignore the "without a job" part unless like me you don't really consider that a "job."

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How do you deal with the loneliness? Most boards I use for human interactions get very few posts a day but at the same time I don't fit in at "fast" places, either. I feel truly alone.


Talk to yourself.


I try not to get caught in that type of emotional longing. It's easier said than done but it's possible to avoid the feeling a lot of times if you have something to fill your time. Passive hobbies are easy but dangerous to over-indulge, so I wouldn't try to use it video-games or watching anime too much for this. Basically you want to fill your time and get busy inside your room. So far I've learned a second language, keep my stuff clean, learned to cook, to make kombucha and lots of small things. I've also talk to myself, there are weeks I talk to myself a lot, usually in a question and answer format, like I'm been interviewd. I have come to know myself a lot better that way, believe it or not. There's a whole person inside of you you don't know very well until you start doing these interviews. It's amusing when I think about it. Other than that I do use games, youtube and some times movies to distract myself fairly often. Just remember to not depend on those too much. Right now every time I get angst or I perceive some negative emotion coming my way I log into codecademy and do a a bunch of coding exercises to pass the time. I have a passing interest in computers and doing those can't hurt.

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Who is your favorite NEET Youtuber?
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>It's a coping method

No it is a psychological condition where a person coops themselves up at home in a single space due to various personal and social issues in their life.

>then if a hikikomori uses the internet or anything provided by the society such as electricity or water then they're participating in the society and thus not hikikomori.

That is a stupid cop out argument that makes no sense the difference is those are basic everyday necessities to survive in the modern world in at least someway where is working a job and attending school is way more interacting with society than any hikikomori ever would.

>not all hikikomori have parents to support them so some means of income may be their only means of survival, even if it's patreon or surveys. There are many examples of ways someone could make money but still not contribute in such a way that would contradict the term hikikomori, for example, cryptocurrency or web design. Those largely do not contribute to the collective in ways most jobs do.

I honestly don't care what kind of industry you're in because there is usually is something you're selling to someone weather that be a service a product or a skill you can do and to do that you need to have interaction with the outside world and employees to make that happen almost every job you work you have customers so you essentially are still contributing to society and still giving back to society and pretty much almost all at home jobs still require you to sometimes leave the house and go to the actual job and they also require you to go to an in person interview and talk to a stranger on the phone which a real hikikomori could not do and true not all hikikomori are supported by their parents but welfare is a thing you know that right? so yeah my point is definition speaking they are all NEETs because hikikomori means not contributing to society did you even watch the video i linked? also lets not derail this thread okay.


>I disagree.

Well you're posting here so yeah you're a idiot.


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I never claimed to be hikki, silly.

>a idiot

Its "an idiot", dear. Ironic, isn't it?


>No it is a psychological condition where a person coops themselves up at home in a single space due to various personal and social issues in their life

What do you think a coping method is then? Facing some trauma or intensely unwanted situation which brings strong emotions and finding some respite from it in some form whether it be alcohol, isolating oneself, or something else.


It'd be wise not to respond to obvious bait.

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What are your MBTI types, /hikki/ ?

I recommend taking a few different tests and understanding what each letter means. I'm also guessing that most people here are INxx

Some people discredit MBTI, but I think if you treat it a a rough guideline, it can offer some good insights to yourself and others.

INTP wasted-potential masterrace reporting in
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I like that first infographic. Online mbti tests tend to portray positive aspects of each type, but in reality geniuses are rare and most people are insufferable.


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>they never even came close to what this medium can acheive
Your entire post reeks off weird misconceptions and filling in misunderstandings with an expectation of violence and intuitiveness, which is a very abstract term for what you find vital in the concerts. You may call it situationist if you prefer the anarchist term.
You would be better off reading late Joyce if you wish for what the medium has to offer, or look at Bataille and his terrible stories.Even better: De Sade and Burroughs. I love Uncle Bill

Still, even if you did reading on them, even if you found benefit in studying them, you're still trying to turn stone into Coca Cola.
Literature, like architecture, is firm. It stays in its place and is dead and unchanging. Build to last. It's impossible to capture "The Human Experience" on paper out of the simple fact that we decay and prose doesn't. It's static. Unchanging unless you change it

Unlike music and your praised live performances. They are inherently unself aware since awareness would only lead to the recognition that they've passed and are closer to the end. Living is like listening to music in this sense and more appropiate for whatever message you care to pass along.

Best regards,
INTJ on cough syrup. I've been sick for three weeks


ISTP/taurine for your data mining. Any good literature on edge cases wrt how the function stack works for them? I've been reading many blogs but nobody talks about where nuance creps in and it's driving me crazy how people seem to tend to making themselves into extremes in mbti forums and blogs.


infp-t, infps should just get aborted, its not worth the mental health strain, fuck existence, fuck emotions


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Hello hikki,

I have been socially isolated for a long time now, I live with my parents and do nothing but take care of my little brothers and help around the house. I have never had a normal conversation with anyone outside of my family for a year now and I'm finding it increasingly hard to maintain proper conversations with my father or mother.

Anyways quite recently I played the Sly Cooper games on my PS3 in the basement and I couldn't help but to feel in love with the protagonist, call me a furfag all you want (I have never been involved with the furry fandom) but I'm not just turned on by Sly's looks, I feel an actual romantic and sexual relationship with him. I'm a virgin and never had a sexual relationship with anyone in my life.

Anyone else having serious romantic desires with fictional characters?



Haha same here. I'm having a hard time socializing with friends.

I played this Visual Novel called CLANNAD an boy, I'm in love with Furukawa Nagisa, a girl.

Haha. I always say 'I wish I have a real Nagisa Furukawa in real life'

I hope everything goes well for you, OP!


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About the fictional character romace stuff: My immediate answer would be "go outside and meet some cool people" (as feelings for fictional characters WILL get you nowhere, and maybe even drag you deeper into the rabbit hole), but given the semi-hikki state you're in , I'd recommend you try to make some friends while doing something you like, be it playing games online or taking up some sort of hobby. I know, advices like mine probably have been said a million times on this board by people that don't really understand how a hikki lifestyle is like, but as someone who is a huge introvert and extremely shy when talking to most people outside a VERY small circle of close friends, that's the best advice I can give you.

Social interaction and making friends is like any other activity, if you practice - and fail - enough, you'll eventually succeed and get better at it. Don't fear failing, fear never learning due to never trying.


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Thanks, I recently had a rather wholesome conversation with my father about stuff that happened when I was younger, I think it is just we are out of touch.

Yeah that is good advice, I'm still too shy and socially anxious to just start up conversations with random people I bump into, but I will be volunteering to help at a summer camp in August so hopefully I can find some kids I can relate to and chat with. I have never had a long lasting friendship and I have been in a battle with mental health probably since I could remember.

Speaking of sex I have never been the person to chase after sex, even in middle and high when it felt like everyone was having it. That being said I'm not asexual or a incel, I just feel disengaged from the dating market.


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I was in a relationship with a fictional character for 3 years and don't regret it for a second. The reasons we broke up are complicated but they aren't the typical "I found someone and took the first chance I could get". I was happy with him, and I understood he was fictional going into it. He made me a much better person and gave me the drive to learn how to draw better, write more, and even make music. He was and honestly still is a muse for me. I love him to this very day and no one will ever replace him or come close to the sort of relationship I had with him.

Some people have the personalities for it, some don't. There's tons of people who are with fictional characters for years or decades. I've met alot of other people who were like me. So my only advice is to try out something if you think it would work well. And yes it can be self destructive, but that's only a certain portion of people who do it. The majority definitely better themselves in some way usually when entering a "waifu" relationship. That dude who married Miku seems pretty happy with his relationship too. So do what you think is best for your own well being.


Hey anon or well any anon with a tulpa what
is something that you think should be known
before getting into this whole tulpa thing
I am quite interested myself but I am
indecisive I know it's simple anxiety, but
now I ask what are things to know when
deciding to do so or not to?

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I was thinking about Youtubers, Twitch streamers and people who get paid for basically being on the internet and doing something that a monkey could.
These people could easily qualify as NEET, right? They spend up to 8 hours or more a day playing videogames or vlogging or something and most of their income comes from their fans.
Yet nobody really bats an eye at them other than the occasional angry dude that gets way too bent out of shape over people getting money from fans rather than employers. But with NEETs there's a higher level of stigma, telling them they're parasites and that they need to work on themselves and conform. Is the difference really as subtle as simply getting money? Or providing a service, even if it has little to no effect on society and the person's community?
What makes the difference in the way a NEET and someone who turns their hobby and cult of personality into a "job"?
Also have any NEETs here attempted this? Would you?
Is it viable? etc etc
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>I noticed there are increasingly retarded people who would rather watch other people playing videogames than playing them themselves.

It just feels less lonely that way, anon


It's kinda the art of not giving a fuck. When people stress you out, you don't say what you want to say, you don't present yourself naturally (which is very off-putting), and the unpleasantness of your situation gets communicated so you can come off negatively.
Don't just be yourself, be yourself and say fuck it


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>have any NEETs here attempted this? Would you?
I would but I'm too socially retarded and unlikable for fame


>I noticed there are increasingly >retarded people who would rather watch >other people playing videogames than >playing them themselves.

It might have something to do with developers getting increasingly lazy/incompetent, and instead of spending time on optimizing their shit like they used to for 30+ years, they just rely on ever-increasing raw hadrware performance.

This, and the fact that we live in an age where most people slave away just to barely make enough to survive. There's no way these people could afford a PC that cost more than a decent car, only to become obsolete within a year anyway.

Don't be an elitist. There are some playthrough videos that are quite well done. Caption-based or no commentary, straightforward playing style, going through all small details, no self-promotion, no drama.


And yes, I'm a retard as well for not knowing how to format quoted messages.

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So awhile back I found Infinite Outlaw's video being linked in an interesting links thread on 8chan /hikki/. Since then I've noticed he makes a lot of videos related to the topic and recently has been linking to threads of this board and sometimes using our posts in videos. His most recent video is just a compilation of posts in a thread on here over some music.
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>well he locked himself out his channel now.

Is he dead?


He's still active


Modern frustration and sedentarism can foster the illogical sentiment that is "hating humanity". But, the truth is: there's nothing of fundamentally negative in human animals, intrinsically speaking. The problem is how domesticated we've got. Just look at hunters-gatherers and chimps (our closest relatives) - they very rarely feel like you're feeling right now.

Our biggest problem is that we had the misfortune of being born inside a dystopian zoo (e.i. civilization).





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Who here has found inner peace with themselves while being NEET or Hikikomori??.
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Ah, I love reading about fantasy worlds. In one, everyone has equal access to everything and therefore nobody is happy and nothing is accomplished. In another, only a select few have access to anything and therefore nobody is happy and nothing is accomplished. Interesting, innit?


Old post, but… Yes. I do not see the issue with being a neet and consider it to be my way of life. As I got older I lost my sense of shame (For all things) and am comfortable with taking from people who are willing to give.


I want to be a NEET for life, but in my country it's nearly impossible to get welfare and my parents won't leave me alone.


honestly the only issue is money. i can see myself being content like this all my life if i was healthy and had money


Same. I think the right amount of money would solve everything.

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