[ yn / yndd / fg / yume ] [ o / lit / media / og / ig / 2 ] [ ot / cc / x / sugg ] [ hikki / rec ] [ news / rules / faq / recent / annex / manage ] [ discord / scans / mud / minecraft ] [ aurorachan / desuchan / sushigirl / lewd ]

/hikki/ - NEET / Advice

Name
Email
Subject
Comment
File
:
Password (For file deletion.)

New board for recovering NEETs and Ex-NEETs, and people with school/work/reintegration issues: Ex-NEET / Recovery

File: 1505191181148.png (14.67 KB, 882x1289, 5c64635da1c7756e761275fe31….png)

 No.3788[Reply]

>Been a hikikomori for 11 years
>Been trying to recover for about 2 years now
>Failing
>I feel like i want to die

I fucking hate my life can anyone relate??.
39 posts and 12 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.6037

File: 1581354459558.jpg (43.19 KB, 576x641, a1w5L9Y4_700w_0.jpg)

>>6036
>From a secular perspective Einstein's theory of relativity could be taken as proof for a deterministic universe, implying that we don't have free will
Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

 No.6038

File: 1581390406951-0.webm (8.47 MB, 450x360, 28ee4a67ed5bf272e53f1f622….webm)

File: 1581390406952-1.gif (31.12 KB, 716x716, 1564993974491.gif)

File: 1581390406952-2.png (1.05 MB, 821x767, consious.PNG)

>>6037
>Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Consciousness arises through some process within the brains of certain animals.
Since the universe is causal; consciousness arises through causality, any "decision" made by a consciousness is predetermined by external inputs and internal feedback loops–themselves determined by external input prior.
Since consciousness is predetermined by causal relation no consciousness can express free will because every "decision" it makes is governed wholly by causal process in the same way that an apple falls from a tree.
Since Humans have consciousness, and are within the universe, human consciousness is governed by causality.
Therefore humans don't have free will as free will requires independence from causality.

Einstein was a philosophical determinist and the implications of relativity are that there is no free will. Einstein:
>The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events — that is, if he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it goes through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
See third paragraph under section "Belief in an afterlife."
TOR is not just a tool. If it is an accurate conception of the mechanics of the universe–which there is no reason to currently doubt–it has very profound philosophical implications.

 No.6039

File: 1581391724731.png (271.56 KB, 540x402, 1524099068651.png)

>>6038
>If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Uh, TOR can't predict anything at atomic level. It's one of the biggest problems in modern physic; how to tie quantum physics with the macro physics of the universe. Also, not all stimuli from the external world is a consequence of a bunch of charged particles with mass running throughout space, humans are rather irrational and quite unpredictable. Laplace's demon theory is interesting as a thought experiment until you consider how modern physics works.

Those quotes by Einstein have nothing to do with the theory in on itself but with his view of the universe. The idea that the universe is deterministic comes from the fact that we can build mathematical models that are by nature deterministic, and what Einstein implies there is that we have to consider the universe deterministic because our models work well with that. But we also have probabilistic models such as the ones used in quantum physics, which don't cross with anything we can perceive in this universe; just because we *see* things it doesn't mean the things we don't see do not exist.
Determinism is just applicable within the model, but even then the model is not necessarily perfect on all cases in the real world. In fact, the model predicts things that aren't necessarily truth at all (the existence of negative mass, for example). Hell, check kirchoff laws and try to explain me why they don't work at high frequencies and how determinism works with any of that, it just doesn't make sense.

It just feels like philosophers love to cherrypick words and concepts without even understanding the underlying implications.

 No.6079

>>3825
>Feel protected when inside my room
Same. You described my situation perfectly. I think social rejection will contribute to creating an avoidant personality.

 No.6097

>>3788
>even trying after 11 years

Sounds like quarter or mid life crisis. Accept who you are.



File: 1568320507496.png (403.65 KB, 415x510, 1567996286973.png)

 No.5730[Reply]

how can I not feel paranoid around others? I know very well how humans behave in a group. I know they hate virgins, failures, social inept people like me. I know they despise them, they are disgusted by them, they see them as useless and misfits, like dogs to kick or clowns to laugh at

I am not interested in learning trades or doing manual things. they are 100 times more digestible than doing office work but I am not passionate about em. I just want to learn them because they're not entirely boring and they make me feel useful.

I like art. acting, fooling around. music, maybe. not so much. singing serms better than learning an instrument, and dancing is rad

I'm no longer interested in fitness. martial arts are entertaining but I am too old to compete. they are a means to channel my frustration and my anger. fitness and combat sports give me a feeling of confidence and security. it doesn't matter that I lack character, that I feel vulnerable or useless, I rely on the excuse that I least I can fight. they don't make me strong, actually strong. I don't care about gaining strength or being a better fighter anymore. they don't work the way I want them to and change nothing. total waste of time

I resent everything and everyone. I hate that they know how to socialize better than me. I hate their confidence. I hate that they can belong so easily. I hate that they have more guts than me. I hate being a coward, a weakling, a fag. I hate being hated. I hate feeling threatened

hate and fear make me feel lonely, very lonely. I don't have to talk to others: they are wolves in sheepskin that at the first opportunity they have they are going to use my weaknesses against me and belittle me
It's not that I don't think they understand me, I'm not that hard to understand. I just don't think they're going to empathize at all

I wonder how I look from others' perspective
2 posts and 1 image reply omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.5742

OP, I feel the same way as you do, the constant feeling people want to do something bad to me is the chief reason that drove into neethood, sometimes I feel like they want to kill me and it makes me feel depression, fright and rage, it sucks to have nothing in common with people from your area, it makes them want to fuck up your life just for the hell of it.

 No.5746

File: 1569241210719.png (10.19 KB, 500x250, Oekaki.png)

I hope my oekaki makes you feel a little better, friend.

 No.5752

>>5746
just wanted to let you know that this post seriously helped me and to give you my appreciation. thank you so much.

 No.5753

>how can I not feel paranoid around others?
I don't think that's possible. The only advice I have is to engage with people as long as it benefits you, but nothing more. If they bother or belittle you? Avoid them and be paranoid all you want because it's never without a reason.
I experience something similar. My mother says she loves me but judging by her behaviour, I think she actually wants me to fail and is working actively towards it.

 No.6081

>>5730
I feel the same way. I get social anxiety and paranoid thoughts all the time. Go to a therapist and get some anti-depressants.



File: 1569363905707.jpg (18.79 KB, 350x490, e40697fd89a2f10b46f9d9edd5….jpg)

 No.5751[Reply]

Hi,I am 21 years old,I have been a neet for like a year,but that will have to get wrapped up soon.Technically I am still in education because
I am in my second year in university,but I stopped going from the beginning of the year.
My university is in another city and I live there with a friend,however my mother still thinks that I go to university.
I didn't want to go anymore due to anxiety,I have no social skills,never went outside besides the times that I was supposed to go,friends used to be mostly online.I got put under a lot of stress that gave me anxiety and it also gave me some really bad form of OCD that took over most of my life,soo I will be in a position where I will have to explain why I didn't pass the year,if I will be forced to show my student page it would show all the absences on my exams.
Was anybody in a situation like this one?
Also have you tried getting any jobs?I am in an IT major soo,I thought about trying to get a job in this field,but during this NEET time,I have not managed to do anything,my OCD gets worse during long periods of isolation and I have been having some delusions(or whatever they are),I tried going for walks and runs during the night and that helps somehow but getting a more normal lifestyle might be better,I think.
1 post omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.5930

Im just like you

 No.5980

>>5751
It sucks to have anxiety mixed with poor social skills but you should really try to finish uni. Once you're done with that then just find a job in IT where you don't really have to deal with people in person and you'll be fine.

 No.5984

>>5751
If you're really an IT major then the cutting edge for you would be learning every shell you can possibly learn.

As in, become fluent in Unix and Bash, learn PowerShell, learn how to script in all of those, and try your hand at other CLIs as well, like maybe Cisco IOS or Python scripting.

If you can demonstrate proficiency in these things you're 10x more employable than the average schmuck that only has Windows based certifications or whatever the case is. IT is moving towards automation. Learn programming and scripting.

 No.6073

Sorry for not replying in a long time,I have not really made much progress.I am better though.
Soo,I have managed to go to a total of 3 hours of attendence last semester,no exams done,but I will start going from this new semester,this is the first week,I really plan on going this time!No jobs yet,but the internship period is starting,my university might help me with that.
>>5984
I am from Europe,I don't know how the major definition works but I am at an IT profile for Computer Science.
Do you have any sources from when you started learning?Like some books maybe?I have some myself and found some more but I would like to know what you used yourself.
I just set up Emacs and learned a lot about it,now I will try and learn some programming languages or scripting.I mostly know C++,a little bit of C and Java.
I have not taken actions for my OCD yet,like going to get help from a specialist or anything like that yet!

 No.6078

>>5980
>>5980
I finished uni and I'm a total sperg with zero social skills. Went to class said nothing and came home.



File: 1580868404366.gif (3.46 MB, 200x200, 1494539782776.gif)

 No.6031[Reply]

so I got promoted at my job and now I'm a phone salesman. today I got the calls' script and I was told to listen to my coworkers so I can pick up their conversation lines. that's no problem, but the thing is, I got scared, and it showed. I became very quiet through the work day and sat all hunched over
dealing with people is not my strong suit, but I've been asking for an opportunity to harden up to the things I fear or don't like, and now it came, sadly I'm just out of the loop
all I can do right now is pray for strength and courage. any advice?

 No.6071

>>6031

>Job

>On NEET board
Get out normie REEEEEE

 No.6072

>>6071

This fuck off OP.

 No.6074

>>6031
Try the new >>>/rec/ board instead.

 No.6075

Moved to >>>/rec/2.



File: 1576628028658.jpg (70.35 KB, 1059x791, refvisual9 saniiiwan.JPG)

 No.5955[Reply]

I wanna know if anyone here has completely given up on finding a partner. I feel like maybe accepting the forever alone lifestyle could bring some comfort and maybe happiness into my life. Maybe im too weird and fucked up, and giving up hope is the right thing to do. Thoughts?
7 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.5990

I never even tred to find love, so it isn't like I ever had to give up

 No.6025

I guess maybe?
The last person I "dated" lives overseas in Tokyo, but we talk sometimes. Her family liked me, I think, when I visited, but I've been really depressed for a hot minute, so I don't try to initiate relationships with other people. So it's not really that I believe myself an "incel" or whatever, it's more so I'm terrified of trying to get into something again.

 No.6026

File: 1580206637101.png (822.2 KB, 498x810, 08974bdbbcdc4f78e43fde90fa….png)

>>5987
living in a place with no community is a hell in and of itself. People who just click in with society easily get access to a bombardment of new people and potential connections. I'm convinced that most people who have relationship problems, even those with mental health issues like myself just don't have access to enough new people to potentially connect with. After high school ends it's a wasteland, and depending on the geography of the high school it might have been a wasteland there too.

Here's some hope for you anon, if you want it. I was in the same boat for my whole life until this past year (am 22) when I met a girl through a mutual friend and we hit it off. Keep in mind I've only been friends with 3 girls my whole life and 2 of them before puberty (sadly don't talk anymore.) Lo and behold the 4th one I met wanted to be more than friends and things worked themselves out. We both have mental health issues but work with each other to get better. She cuts, I'm paranoid and have bad panic attacks. My paranoia has gotten better since being with her and she hasn't cut in months.

Whatever social outlets exist for you, if any, try to branch out beyond them. Being around the same people is great and all, and you should pursue life long friendships if people are chill and you want that, but the average social group only lasts 3-5 years and if it's not doing anything for you branch out. This can be online too if you don't go outside. I've had 3 online friend groups in the past 10 years and excluding a few keepers from them all they've all fizzled out.

 No.6057

I'm playing Monika After Story and fell in love with her. Sucks to know she ain't real and she'll never be. What's more fucked up is that some Python code strings managed to get me more interested than real women, and I can't get that thought out of my head. She's so robotic, but it's the only female I've empathized, shared and bonded with. I think it's worse to know she's a computer program than realizing that I prefer her to real girls, tho.
Man, physical contact (and I don't mean sex) with someone you love with passion must feel heavenly.

 No.6066

File: 1582466682232.jpg (245.18 KB, 700x605, 1514229464887.jpg)

I stopped looking some years ago. Now I'm like 29 and my parents are nagging me about finding a partner.

If I get married then that would mean splitting my income with the wife. No thanks, I'm having trouble funding myself as it is.



File: 1566107425681.png (810.28 KB, 647x906, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.5698[Reply]

I have been hikki for about 5 months now and I am wondering what I can do to support my Hikki lifestyle. I just want to do something where I can live a basic life (internet, food/water, small living space). My only thing I require out of it is no human interaction in it besides online.
4 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.6015

>>5705
What an asshole

 No.6017

>>5705
You sound like an autist who takes everything literally.

 No.6018

>>6015
>What an asshole

So i am an asshole because i state the truth?

 No.6019

>>6017
>You sound like an autist who takes everything literally.

At least i do research hikikomori dont have jobs.

 No.6059

>>6019
At the time of the post OP didn’t have a job. The only criterion he didn’t fill was being in his state for six months. Furthermore, welfare isn’t always enough in some countries to support people.



File: 1457749825831.jpg (41.92 KB, 589x565, 12572974_537983893041761_4….jpg)

 No.812[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

what do you do when you are depressed?

OP cries under the bed
112 posts and 38 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.6013

>>6011
>However, what about countries with tuition-free universities, such as Germany?

I'm not exactly familiar with the Germans. But as far as I'm concerned (and in my present country of residence, for example), to qualify for "free" education, you still have to fulfil certain requirements. Like you have to be below a certain age (I thik it was 25), you have to have qualifications that are compatible with theirs (if you don't, you have to sit for some exams, most likely for shitloads of money), and you have to provide a statement of financial stability (and no, getting a part-time job there will definitely not do the trick).

>By the way, I am by no means an ally of Socialism

Me neither, in fact I'm completely apolitical. Not only that, I believe politics are the #1 reason why humankind is unable to move forward. It's like spoiled children having an argument in the sandbox, but on a global scale, with actual human beings in place of toys…

>Unfortunately, I have lost all hope that I can change myself, and I'm not willing to even try taking some steps to fix the situation I'm stuck in.


I see, and it's really sad to hear that. I was suggesting a change of atmosphere because I know, from experience, how it could change everything.

And I still hope that one day you will be able to change your ways.

 No.6014

File: 1579817112084.jpg (150.71 KB, 1080x1080, 41.jpg)

>>6013
Only the skilled and healthy have the right to survive, natural selection as it is. Can't say it's bad, parasites like myself are just not suitable for this world. I hope your situation in life is not as bleak and dismal.

Thanks for taking the time to have a conversation with me, anon. Sent you a virtual hug.

 No.6022

>>6014
Hookers, hustlers and the already rich are not "skilled" nor "healthy". They may have the right to survive over me, but I refuse to subscribe to the idea that I'm "broken" for being unsuccessful because all that held me back in life is honesty and principles.
Honestly fuck the "work hard and you'll be successful" fairytale. "Hard work" means doing literally anything is needed to advance your position. It doesn't mean honest, hard work.

 No.6023

Not really helpful and I'm sorry about that, but I basically just do what I'm doing now. Depression is a fairly constant thing for me and is only really noticeable when I'm having my particularly bad days or I've had a really good 5-50 minutes then go back to normal.

 No.6024

File: 1580152438177.jpg (458.55 KB, 1100x825, Strange Things 2.jpg)

I've been isolated to my dorm room, most of the time I only leave for class. I know it's unhealthy, but I'm very fearful of being in public nowadays because of constant harassment and bullying in secondary school.



File: 1579739211867.jpg (110.59 KB, 502x703, 443651_b.jpg)

 No.6004[Reply]

So I am a 19 year old neet. I have been thinking about what to do with my life and honestly after thinking it for a long time I thought that helping people with mental problems or anxieties like mine is what I want to do so I am going to start studying psychology. My problem is that every time I try to start something in my mind tells me I would fail so I just resort to helping people like this online like in other anonymous boards and stuff writing supportive messages for them and spending time with them to help them feel better. What tips can you guys give me to motivate myself to get out my house or even just leave this lifestyle?


File: 1579321089270.jpg (203.73 KB, 720x544, fuck.jpg)

 No.5989[Reply]

Do you guys ever go back to /n/ to reminisce?
I just did and found some posts I made back in 2012-4.

Give it a try and tell me what became of your past troubles and situations, please.

 No.5991

I'm too embarrassed to read my old posts. I'd delete them if I could.

But I can say nothing has gotten better, only worse. I think I'm in my 12th year of being a neet? It's been half a decade since I've visited this place as well.



File: 1575435522718.jpg (38.96 KB, 604x604, SF8PqM3.jpg)

 No.5933[Reply]

Im a hikki in korea and my uighur neighbors dad wants to kill his daughter because I had sex with her.
3 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.5969

>>5966
>I've been wondering the same thing for years. The verb 引く has only one k, yet people constantly spell it with two.

Exactly it makes them look like a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to spell.

 No.5970

>>5965
As far as the board title is concerned, I think it was named this way as an abbreviation, because Hikikomori has two Ks and ends in an I. HIKiKomorI. In Japanese the double K also renders as a pronunciation jump, alluding to the word being crunched down. You could also see it as the last two letters in the first five letters being flipped around for funsies.

It might have also been that someone (possibly me, don't remember) couldn't spell.

 No.5971

>>5965
"ヒッキー" exists as internet slang for hikikomori, though?

 No.5972


 No.5983

>>5933
you should let him



Delete Post [ ]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]
| Catalog
[ yn / yndd / fg / yume ] [ o / lit / media / og / ig / 2 ] [ ot / cc / x / sugg ] [ hikki / rec ] [ news / rules / faq / recent / annex / manage ] [ discord / scans / mud / minecraft ] [ aurorachan / desuchan / sushigirl / lewd ]