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 No.5054[Reply]

Hi all

I'm former "NEET", was "NEET" for 2 years in mother's house. I am going to university now. Recently, I'm computer programmer intern several times. None of my programmer jobs pay enough to survive, however, and I have difficult time succeeding socially.

I still feel like I am "NEET" and "NEET" people are the only ones I relate to, what to do?

 No.5055

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Practice small conversations with mirrors, imitate patterns, body language, and interactions you see come from people. Failure is natural at least once but attempt to learn from it, understand that you will fail and will stumble on the march. Practicing with a close friend (or a remote person you do not mind) is a great benefit and boon.
It takes a long time to feel natural at socialization, there will be quips around it, but as you continue to get used to it you can always adapt to the best.
The routine normalizes everything, even if you are afraid, even if it was not productive at first. Ultimately, as this becomes a comfortable zone, your feelings of being socially insufficient, or "NEET" will disappear over time.
In the context of your work, in the meantime, you can try to develop skills that you can later incorporate into your resume so that you can look better off after graduation. You should not try to support yourself when going to college because of the exorbitant cost. Unless you have a large loan or student allowance, please stay with your mother or divide costs with a roommate while you are enrolled in university.
Good luck, OP.

 No.5125

>>5055
not op, but i really needed that. thanks



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 No.5108[Reply]

hey, /hikki/.
I've been a NEET for 4 years now. I can barely stay awake anymore. I sleep for 8-9 hours and drink a fuckton of coffee and sodas and yet I still feel sleepy and sluggish. I even tried "home exercises" but that only succeeded in making my legs feel like chewed-up gum.
Do you guys have this issue, too? It only started last year.
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 No.5111

I understand what you're going through. Sleeping and resting are two different things. Sometimes you could sleep for 14 hours and wake up even more drained than you were before. And sometimes you sleep only 3 or so hours, and wake up totally refreshed.

This is purely psychological, and has nothing to do with being physically tired. You could exercise as much as you want, you could do the most physically demanding activities all day, in itself it's not going to force you to rest.

I, too, would drop sodas/energy drinks. They would only make things worse than they are already. Coffee, while is quite useless on people with this problem for some reason, is at least not as destructive as the aforementioned drinks.

And while I agree with >>5110 about carbs and sweets, I certainly believe that diet has nothing to do with this.

I believe what would really help is to somehow try to be at peace with your mind, even if just momentarily so. I know it's difficult. And look who's talking, I pretty much fell into the same situation, though I can't even sleep more than 4 hours on a good day, let alone have any rest. But give it a try, if you could let your feelings go before bedtime, only if for a day or two per week, you could get some rest.

 No.5114

>>5110
Ah, shit. Must be why 1-8 is still draining. Explains a lot. Thanks! Also, shit. I'm gonna have to quit coffee, huh? Eh, if it helps.

>>5111
Shit, hope you're better.
Anyways, I guess I'm gonna stop drinking sweet shit anyways, cause you both are pretty correct. And yeah, 4 hour sleep sched? I went through that, too.
I'll try to ease up at night, stop thinking 'bout school stuff. You're also right, I don't rest, ust sleep. Might just try unwinding.

Thanks, you two!

 No.5117

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You should aim to wake up whilst you're dreaming (in REM sleep). If you wake during a deeper sleep you'll feel groggy no matter how long you've been asleep for.

 No.5118

>>5117
What really shits me off is that I can go to bed at midnight or 11 pm, wake up any time from 6 to 8 am, and while I am tired most of the day I don't feel immediately groggy. But when I try to go to bed at 10 or so I just wake at 5 or so, am tired for most of the day, and on top of that I wake up groggy as fuck. Same amount of hours slept, and I just get punished for trying to keep to good sleeping habits.

 No.5123

>>5118
Any change in your sleep schedule is hard to adjust to. Maintaining consistency is important.



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 No.4828[Reply]

From my past experiences and casual observation, I came to a conclusion about why people have friends. There's two reasons: entertainment, and validation. I've seen a lot of this myself from my own friendships. I haven't had many, so I can list them all pretty easily.

Michael 1: I met him on the bus on my first day of kindergarten. He sat next to me and that was all it took to form some kind of bond between us. By some luck, we happened to have the same class for all of the pre-grade years. One time, I saw him talking to a girl for a long time during recess and started running around teasing him about it. At the end of the day I apologized and he started going on about wanting to marry her one day. Okay. As soon as first grade started, we were placed in different classrooms. I was worried about it and rightfully so. We immediately started talking way less. As soon as I moved that was the end of our relationship. There was little to no goodbye and I had no way of keeping in touch. Who knows if he remembers me.

Annie: Annie was another school friend I had before I moved. She's the only girl I have ever been real friends with. She had kind of childish tastes even for that age and made me play ring around the rosy with her. After a bunch of boys who I already didn't like started teasing me about it, I started giving her the cold shoulder and eventually she got pissed off at me. That was how our relationship was left off. There was no real conclusion. I still regret it, but here's the thing. It wouldn't have made any difference if I had left on good note with her. It's not like there's any way we could have stayed in touch. Phone numbers were beyond me at the time. Even then it would fizzle. It's just one of those totally inconsequential things.

Michael 2: Michael 2 is where things start getting more interesting. Michael lived across the street and he was an odd character. He was a blond, classic Americana kind of boy, except he has this weird sadistic/violent streak in him. We would always play soccer together against each other's sisters and we would always win. He would then treat me to Gatorade after every game and the whole deal. He was obsessed with this wrestling game and naturally I wanted to play it with him just because of that. The more sociopathic side of him came out sometimes though. One time while he was riding his bike across the street and passing me, he flipped me off because he was mad about something. Another timPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.4870

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There's two things I forgot to mention in the op. Whenever I tried talking about this to somebody older than me, they would always immediately write me off and start lecturing me about how I would eventually gravitate towards a group of people who were carbon copies of myself. It never happened.
Whenever you spend even a bit of time at a distance from a person, your relationship begins to fade. It doesn't matter if it's only been a few months, it will be like you never knew the person eventually. To me this never made sense. Time seemed so trivial. It felt like I was talking to that person yesterday, so why do they act like past events faded? What's with this reset? Don't people ever think about how fleeting their emotions are? Don't they ever realize that if their connections and emotional states are so fragile and blow away in the wind so easily, they were practically meaningless from the beginning? Why doesn't that meaninglessness bother anybody else?
>>4866
>it has worse effects for our health than smoking.
I definitely don't buy into that. Maybe close relationships are important to health, but I already do lots of unhealthy things on a regular basis. I'm not going to force myself.
>socially masturbate
That's a pretty negative way to describe inner-monologging. People should be thinking to themselves regardless of how much feedback they get from other people. It's not a bad thing. I don't really see how the necessity for outside input necessarily connects to consistent relationships. I don't think you need one for the other. Even a book can provide outside influence. You're still intaking new information that comes from another person.
>I didn't say "like you", I said "close to you", ie. they left an impression on you.
While the people around me did influence me, I don't think I am just the product, or even mostly the product of those people.
>That's kind of a rip off, you either break ties with the person or invest in them as little as they are investing in you.
That's what happened near every single time. What do you do then? It's not a fair deal if I have to bend over myself to keep people's attention. I don't want a, "deal".
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>>4870

>Why do you say that I didn't see any worth?

I think you quoted the wrong section, but I said that you MIGHT or MIGHT NOT have seen the gain in what they "offered" you (so maybe both), referring to your experiences in general, not a particular one. I mean, I can't exactly know what these friendships really looked like, or what kind of relations with people you've had outside of them.

> I didn't do anything. I didn't go anywhere. I was always there. They always had full access to me. Look at Adam again. How was that my fault?

I think "fault" might be too strong of a word here. It's not about placing the blame on anyone. If the guy decided that you weren't a person he wanted to hang out with, the cause of that lies partly in your personality and partly in him perceiving you in a certain way and disliking it for whatever reason. And to go back slightly to the previous point, even if you most truly appreciated this person, and the others, it's possible that they didn't see it, whether it be because they were dense or because you didn't show it in some conventional way. Either way, there's not one single person to blame, and I'm not trying to imply that.

>Even if I did do the exact same thing, how is it hypocritical? I don't like how people work in that regard. That can include myself as well.

Yeah, you did say you're not so delusional to think that such people do/should exist, but I'd forgotten about it until seeing the line after having posted my response. Disliking this shit seems perfectly reasonable, it's just the "it's never MY fault that my friendships die" attitude that I find stupid, which I might have wrongly inferred from your posts. Sorry.

 No.4873

>>4870
>I definitely don't buy into that. Maybe close relationships are important to health, but I already do lots of unhealthy things on a regular basis. I'm not going to force myself.
https://www.ahsw.org.uk/userfiles/Research/Perspectives%20on%20Psychological%20Science-2015-Holt-Lunstad-227-37.pdf

>That's a pretty negative way to describe inner-monologging.

Well, I think it's the most truthful way to describe it, because that's essentially what it is.

>People should be thinking to themselves regardless of how much feedback they get from other people. It's not a bad thing.

You're right, it's not inherently a bad thing.

>I don't really see how the necessity for outside input necessarily connects to consistent relationships. I don't think you need one for the other. Even a book can provide outside influence. You're still intaking new information that comes from another person.

The fact is, you can tell yourself that that's how it is, but your brain still knows exactly what it wants, and if it wants deep and personal relationships with others then it will make you severely depressed, anxious and give you a mental hell until you get it what it wants - no matter how much you tell yourself that you can get everything you need from a book.

A book is quite simply not the same as socializing because it's not interactive, there's no back-and-forth exchange of ideas for both parties to affirm or challenge, imageboards, or writing letters or emails are things that more or less resemble socializing.

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 No.4874

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>>4873
Yeah, i'm fine with dying sooner. It's not worth it.
>You're asking to be able treat a relationship casually while getting total conviction from the other person
I already said twice that that's not what i'm asking for. I don't even know what you mean by treating a relationship casually. I don't make those kinds of distinctions. A relationship is just a relationship to me.
>the other people you deal with also have to bend over
How? How did I ever make people bend over for me? They say something to me, and I always listened and responded. That's it. Even if they didn't say anything to me, I would still opt to be around them. They could just be silent the whole time and I would be fine with that as long as they responded to me. Maybe i'd be confused.
>But it's necessary for both parties to put themselves out there
I never complained about how people establish relationships. Sure, you have to put yourself out there. My problem is with how you have to keep putting yourself out, and keep jingling keys in their face so they don't turn away. I think relationships should be binary and perpetual. Once it is created, unless there is some very good reason for it to end, it remains. Forever, and in the same state. That it what I want. I want somebody with no spines. I don't want to waste energy playing touch and go and getting pricked. I don't want to deal with that, even if it's detrimental to my health.

 No.5122

>>4831
>I was too dull and quiet to entertain anybody for long. Too dull to give your cellphone number to. To dull to stick around with. I was thrown out like a used tissue. I'm not making this thread because i'm bitter towards one person, i'm making it see if anybody else can see what I see. I'd like to hear about any similar experiences.
Thanks for relating your experiences, OP. I can see things like that too, but at the moment I do not want to type it all up. Too much thinking.



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 No.5091[Reply]

My mental state has been declining again. I was feeling alright for awhile but now there is just so much I need to worry about every day is filled with anxiety and I don't know how I can keep going like this. Recently I cant even bring myself to enjoy the things i'm passionate about, I just spend my free time under a blanket listening to music and browsing the internet doing nothing productive. As soon as I get home I am so exhausted that I fall asleep so I cant sleep at night. I don't want to live like this, I don't feel like doing anything.
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 No.5099

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>>5097
doing while everyone is asleep won't help… we have little apartment and my mum has extremely good hearing. even if i go to the toilet at night or drink water on kitchen she instantly wakes up and going to me. doing anything in my room at night also isn't a good option because i share it with my younger sister. but thanks for the advise anyway, anon!
>>5096
my door doesn't have a lock and everyone often transpassing my room to go on a balcony. but you're right. i think i can overcame anxiety of jogging in public. and maybe i could do some sit-ups as well at day because it's rather quiet and quick. and stretching…

now it's time to work on myself! thank you all for advises and motivation

 No.5100

>>5099
Get a pretense to go outside, e.g go shopping. Walking or just being physically active (commuting) does plenty of good for the mind.

 No.5101

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>>5100
i know… thank you i've been thinking about something like this

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>>5098
>>5094
Thanks for the suggestions anons, I will try my best to get a reason to want to wake up every day and hopefully break my habit of taking naps as soon as I get home so I can sleep better. I dont think I could ever get into any rigorous exercise but I think I could handle getting out and walking around a lot more, night walks have always been something ive thought about, maybe ill give that a shot when the weather starts to cool down.

 No.5116

>>5095
I think nearly everyone has this anxiety when they first start out exercising, but after a while you realize that nobody seriously cares what your routine is or even that you're trying to better yourself. People in general are more concerned with their own health than yours, trust me.



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 No.5085[Reply]

I'm going back to school in a few weeks after having been shut in my room for probably 5 years. I dropped out of high school a while back, and even before then my parents took me out of elementary school in favor of homeschooling, since then I've had trouble and barely kept up. I've taken online classes for most of it, but I'm being encouraged to go out and actually attend classes, most because I do want more opportunities out of the house, and my computer is busted.

I'll be taking a high school equivalency thing first before actual college, but the thing is, I have no idea what to expect. I haven't interacted with anyone my own age in real life since I started being homeschooled, so I have no social skills. Additionally, I lack confidence in my own skills and have always struggled. I slacked off a lot and now I'm so behind. I've been trying to study but I don't have experience with a lot of this. Nobody is really helping me, and I can't help but think that, since this is just high school, college will be harder and leave me more drained and depressed than ever before.

No one has even told me what to expect. It's like they just keep dancing around the issue whenever I ask how bad it will be, which isn't helping my anxiety. And I keep stressing out over how much this'll cut into my time and what to do with my life, and hours and weeks and homework and getting high grades. I don't want to just waste any of my time here, but I guess I have to do this if I want to be a functioning member of society and get money. But I just wish someone would help me.

Is it really as bad as I'm thinking? If So, how do I hold out these next few years wasting my life on things I won't ever need to really know without breaking down and killing myself?

 No.5086

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First you should establish some goals outside of, "become a functioning member of society". While, yes, that's what the point is supposed to be, you'll have an easier time going forward if you get more specific. What do you actually like and how do you translate that into emplyomen?
When it comes to school work itself, self-study is king. Whatever you learn in class is just supplementary. You don't get shit out of it unless you spend your own time going through the material. Study by reading the textbook and taking your own notes. Don't skim, absorb. Then go over your notes regularly and try to find a way of applying what you learned to stuff like practice problems and tests.
When it comes to root memorization, I liked to just take a piece a paper and write what I needed to memorize over and over again until I got it. Do this regularly and you'll commit that information to your long term memory. You should be spending a lot of your time at your desk. You need a designated work space. Getting a hobby like reading or something can help keep you from being overwhelmed, just make sure you cut down on your screen time as much as possible. I'm not fucking around. If you really have to, ask your parents to make sure you don't spend more time browsing than studying. Keep that in mind.
When it coms to socialization, don't sweat it. As long as you can do group work and get what you need out of other people without pissing them off you should be fine. Good luck.

 No.5092

I am socially inept so I cant help you there but from my experience in college, time management was the biggest factor for me. Make sure you set aside enough time to get all of your work done. Start out by setting aside a few hours and see how that goes, eventually you can get into a groove and figure out how much time is necessary. when you can accurately manage your time to make sure you don't miss out on any work then you can worry about time for yourself, which is also very important. I don't think I would've made it through if I never had time to myself to keep myself sane.



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 No.190[Reply]

post itt if you are sickly as well as NEET

i got CFS/ME/SEID/whatever docs wanna call it, but basically im too tired to leave the house or even bed most of the time, and its not depression or anything mental

also get mad headaches, nausea, and dizziness from just standing up

also relevant is itt NO BULLYING ALLOWED!!
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 No.4774

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>>4771
>>4772
Thanks for worry, but personally i'd never spend money on f2p games. I play some LoL and osu!mania / Stepmania as of now (mostly osu). I would love to play more horror games through, this year i played Outlast series and it was fucking amazing, especially Outlast 2(pure gold). Also I'm still worried about the ward becouse doctors can tell my family about my problems while i'm there. From what I read online at least, they could not ask you about your premission to talk with your family. (i know it's from online source, but seems resonable they could not ask me about premission)

 No.4787

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>>4720
That would certainly explain why I missed it by a mile off. I posted this >>4309 then freaked out with shame and didn't return to Uboa until now. Might as well vent.

I still honestly think I should work, and that working when I'm well enough to would keep anxiety/depression at bay, however I've since learnt the only way to be rid of those is surgery that would put me at risk of complications and require going back on regular medication to keep my bones from snapping. I've also found out that there is no teaching my body to regulate its temperature properly - both the symptoms of my illness and the symptoms caused by drugs and the operation include sweating buckets when I'm cold. I wasn't able to take anti-depressants this whole time because they increase sweating as a common side effect, and I already faint more easily from dehydration.

Looking forward to another summer of hiding indoors and wearing the same four shirts that don't show marks as much over and over until the washing machine destroys them. My hands have gone like ice just typing this, for what purpose, body? The good news is my local doctors' shut down after the authorities refused to renew contracts with them, and I'm now registered with somewhere different that I've never been to before. Worryingly they never contacted to confirm my registration or do preliminary check ups and I had to go in myself to ask (but was too stupid to make an appointment). Until I see someone and find out that all doctors are the same I'll have hope that maybe this time I'll be listened to and referred to the correct specialist instead of one who sends you for 40 bloodtests to confirm it's really not anything else but the thing you've been complaining about for 18 years. There is even a bloodtest I could have had to identify it but the guy specialising in that area never had it done because let's check the motherfucking bloodcount for the nineteenth time. I am still hung up on that even though it happened in my teens, my daily life now is just idling on a dying computer as the money dwindles, but I guess the only stress is knowing I'm slowly headed to self destruction. It's much better than being insulted to my face by a healthcare professional, as they are wont to do, and I've been extremely fortunate to receive moPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.4797

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I don't know if I'm sick yet or what but god my chest has been hurting like fuck lately. Haven't been eating anything bad

 No.4799

>>4787
I'm rooting for you anon. Don't give up.

 No.5090

>>4719
Welp I overdid it this summer because of my excitement at getting better so now i'm back to how I was 6 months ago. At least I know I can improve now though, just have to pace myself with is what the doctor has been trying to drill into me this whole time. I get very excited doing anything new so it's fucking hard though.



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 No.5030[Reply]

Post things you've made or things you are proud of. Creating things can feel nice when you have been alone and devoid of accomplishment.

 No.5031

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OP here, Ill start. I have made a pong clone with Reimu and Cirno from Touhou, it also has health bars instead of just a score. Originally I planned to add more characters to be selectable but I never really got around to that, maybe ill come back to it one day.

 No.5032

>>5031
post it

 No.5033

>>5032
I guess I can. Id like to clean some of it up a bit and add a disclaimer, since it was just a personal project. but I can probably put it up somewhere tomorrow.

 No.5087

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i made a tripcode generator for another chan i use, pic related are some tripcodes it generated with the word neet in them

 No.5088

>>5087
Use Meriken's.



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 No.5072[Reply]

Does anyone care to start a trivial relationship with a stranger online?
I want to improve my social skills to make increase my odds of survival out there.
I apologize for this post if it is not allowed, or it is looked negatively, to ask for contact information.
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 No.5074

>>5073
I apologize for the ignorance, but I don't really know where you put your email.

 No.5075

>>5072
Mouse over his name, and it should appear in your link bar.

 No.5076

>>5074
Right click the part of my post that says anonymous and copy.

 No.5077

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Feel free to hit me up, I'm always up for a chat

 No.5080

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Three times I have tried this "fast paced" online dating stuff and three times I have met actually insane individuals. Maybe you are different. Or not.

Anyway, making friends is great so hit me up.



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 No.4346[Reply]

I just really don't like people. There are some individuals I like, but I really loathe humanity. I hate how judgmental and shitty they are to anyone who doesn't meet their narrow standards. I hate how tribal they are, deriding anyone who happens to be outside of their shitty little groups/societies/cults. I hate how dishonest people are, nobody keeps promises even though breaking a promise is one of the worst things you can do. I hate how violent and stupid people are, choosing to beat each other to death over dumb shit instead of working together to make the future better. I hate how hypocritical they are, mocking others for their actions and then turning around and doing the same exact thing. I hate how the internet which used to be a safe haven from the real world has now become the very thing I was running from. And most of all, I hate when people use power as an excuse to ruin others' lives to satisfy their fragile and pathetic egos/feelings.

It's driving me nuts and I don't know what to do. It's years away before I can just put my brain into a computer or just hide away in a bunker with some companionship AIs and just fuck off. I still have the biological desire to socialize which is frustrating. I hate people, but at the same time I need them too. Being around these people exhaust me, and I really wish I could just be alone most of the time outside of the few hours I do work or go to school, which is something I'm only doing because it's impossible for me to be a NEET anymore without dying.

Does anyone else suffer from misanthropy? Have any coping skills or tricks to become at peace with being a loner/outsider?
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 No.4813

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>>4811
Yep. Medical science and advertising are totally in the same place that they were in the 50s. The idea that all xenoestrogens are created equal is stupid. Phytoestrogens have not been proven to be harmful. That belief is not just, "not mainstream", it's, not scientifically proven. Science is not about, "connecting the dots", and you cannot come to conclusions just by, "connecting the dots". Relearn the scientific method. You only have a hypothesis right now. If you cared about the truth above all, you would want funding to go into this line of research without dogmatically telling people that their life is in shambles because of soy. Plenty of things that weren't, "mainstream yet", ended up being totally wrong. I could say the same thing about the time cube. It's just not mainstream yet. Any day now the papers will be coming in: We live in 4 simultaneous days all happening in four different quadrants! The experts were wrong! Academia was wrong! Get 40% off on international flights! Hurrah!

 No.4814

>>4813
>Medical science and advertising are totally in the same place that they were in the 50s
>it can't happen again!

Sure thing, which is why "scientific" studies nowadays are funded by corporations with certain interests in mind are the norm.
I won't bother with the rest, I think I've already put more effort than what I should.
>dogmatically telling people that their life is in shambles because of soy.
>dogmatic
Yeah, hormonal disruptors are not real, it's more of a thing of faith. And I didn't specifically target soy as the original post was more about xenoestrogens in general. If you avoid soy, you are avoiding xenoestrogens.

 No.4815

>>4814
I literally never said that soy isn't unhealthy. Maybe it is. It's not known for sure right now.
>more about xenoestrogens
Yeah, that's why you jumped into a conversation about soy. That's still not how chemistry works.
>Yeah, hormonal disruptors are not real
Not what I was arguing.
>I think I've already put more effort than what I should.
I appreciate your altruistic attempts at converting me so that I can see the light.

 No.5067

>>5064
Which posts have been pissing you off?

 No.5069

>>5068
If you're still here by the time I post this, I hope you can find some source of happiness in life, if not from people, from a hobby or passion. Life is always worth living because there's nothing else there. Having thoughts is always better than being a rotting carcass. Wolves will eat you regardless or how happy or miserable you were in life.



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 No.5057[Reply]

Hello fellows NEETs I have a very singular problem. My reason for not going outside as much and working is not anxiety or fear of the outside world, though I am indeed very shy and awkward and seldom socialize.
I've been interned into mental hospitals and the like because this kind of living is making me do things that are considered too strange and worrisome, I'ts driving me crazy.
Anyway, I have a strange problem, when I go outside for too long I get very painful headaches and I have to go home early, not normal headaches but something on another whole level. I've been to psychiatrists and psychologist and regular doctor and they find nothing wrong with me, they say it's a psychological reaction.
This problem has prevented me from having a job or just going grocery shopping with the family and I don't know what to do. I'm taking medication for it but it's not working at all.
Do you have any ideas of what I can do or do other NEETs here are NEET because of other particular reasons?

 No.5058

When did these headaches start?

 No.5059

>>5058
In a way, I've always had them it's just that now they hurt and last more. I had little headaches as a child.

 No.5060

>>5059
Did you always have headaches elicited by going outside?

 No.5061

>>5060
Yes. I've always got tired of going outside and socializing and it leads to headaches ever since I can remember.

 No.5063

Could be the light, have you tried wearing shades, or even welding goggles?



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