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 No.4534[Reply]

Is there specific things that you deeply want to do but feel held back by your circumstances? I would love to go camping with some buddies, but I have no buddies and also feel too trapped to do so. It kills me a little that if I don't get better I'll miss out on many things
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 No.4544

>>4540
I don't do tox unfortunately. Outside of imageboards I pretty much just PM people through steam or discord

 No.4551

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>>4535
Wow, I relate to a lot of the things you said. When I entered university, I thought I could do everything alone and I could just enjoy life by watching anime and just going to classes. I lasted 2 years and I managed to pass my classes but the fact that I don't have a single friend is becoming soul-crushing. I can't even fall back on my family since my relationship with them is almost non existent. I want to make online friends but I'm too afraid to make an account on any website and even if I manage to get some friends I don't even know what I would talk to them about
Piano is one of the things that's holding me through, I enjoy playing since it's a moment where I can forget every shitty part of my life and focus on the sheet that's in front on me. I'm not that good but it's still something I enjoy doing.
So yeah, I think we have very similar problems, I don't have any solution to give though. I'm getting so tired lately but I hope that someday, we'll finally be able to find at least one relationship that we can call genuine. That's honestly all I am asking for of this world.

 No.4552

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>>4551
>relationship that we can call genuine
Impossible. People aren't genuine. What would you even call genuine? Nobody really cares about the random friends they've acquired in school and work over the years. They just have them for entertainment. If they get bored with you, they'll just abandon you on the side of a road. Whenever I asked somebody what the point of friendships are if people just inevitably drift apart, I always get the same answer. Memories and fun. If you had a good time and got a hefty dose of validation, that's apparently enough. The actual relationship is shallow and the by-product of circumstance. Once circumstances change, it vanishes. Nobody really cares, and they definitely don't care about how anything makes you feel. Even if people feel fleeting sympathy, it is fickle and soon forgotten about. Human relationships will soon be rendered obsolete by technology. When that finally happens, we can finally feel emotionally satisfied. It's a natural progression. Actually living has become much more convenient, but fulfilling your emotional needs has in some ways become much harder.

 No.4553

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>>4552
I tried living as an hermit during several years. I can't handle it. Maybe some people can but I realized that my brain is hardwired to crave relationships. If I could turn a switch off in order to stop feeling this way, I would've done it but unfortunately it's not possible. I could entertain myself for several weeks but in the end there's always this pain, this feeling that I'm not living correctly that comes back sooner or later.
Maybe this idealized vision of a genuine relationship is out of reach outside of animu but I think there is some merit to try to look for one. Even if only one out of hundreds of relationship could be called genuine, I want to make it my goal to find that one.
I think we're still a long way off creating a suitable replacement for human company. Virtual reality and AI is all the rage but this cyberpunk world where we could talk to cyborg counterparts is not gonna be achieved during our lifetime in my opinion. If we could build such a thing in the next few years I would be impressed
I'm saying all that but I think I'm still too scared to take any action to change my life in a meaningful way, at the end of the day my post is a ramble about relationships from someone who don't have a single one of these. But I find your perspective interesting, and I think you're a strong person if you truly live and believe by what you say.

 No.4555

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>>4553
I feel lonely sometimes too and it's not like I actively push people away, but from experience, I know better than to expend any kind of emotional effort on people. It would be one thing if working to build a relationship was just one step in a process, but sucking the effort out of other people for your own amusement is the entire point of relationships. There is no line you cross where it's done and an unbreakable bond is formed. You constantly need to bend other and go out together and talk to them regularly and think of new tricks to keep their attention and make sure not to overstep the countless boundaries between you. It's like being a circus animal. There is no this is it, we are bound together. It's all about being entertained and fulfilling that desire you described. You don't want the people, you want the feeling to go away. Look at any how to date guide for example: Take them to interesting places, talk about what they like, don't go to the same place twice in a row, be confident, don't come off as clingy, don't call them too often, do everything possible to avoid looking socially unacceptable, give gifts, don't expect anything in return. Toxic extroversion is an irrational dependency on something that just takes and takes without giving a fraction back or so much as appreciates it.



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 No.4199[Reply]

Any hikkis here figure out a way to make money without leaving your room and going outside??.
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 No.4482

>>4481
honestly, it's hard to say. i don't know enough about the current state of speech recognition software to answer with any confidence. i will say that a lot of the work i do actually involves editing reports that have already been through speech recognition and whatever the company i work with uses isn't that great. there are people in the industry who seem to think that automation is a very long way off or even not possible for this field, but who knows. i do have a mild fear that one day i'll be replaced by a computer and then i'll have to get a real job or start taking my clothes off for money

 No.4495

I just signed up to work for Rev.com. It's a freelance transcription site where anyone can apply as a contractor; if your language skills are decent enough to pass the application, they assign you audio from customers and you will make between $0.40 to $0.65 per minute ($24 to $36 per hour) of audio you transcribe into text.

Of course, transcription takes time, and it took me like 10 minutes to work through and proofread a 2 minute audio clip for the application exam, so if I get the job I'll probably be making more like $5 an hour of work. You would make more over time if you get really good at it though.

It's definitely enough money to buy myself some food in a pinch.

 No.4506

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>>4495
and what were your results?

I'd not get my hopes up if you haven't gotten them yet, because I saw your reply and immediately signed up for myself an hour ago and just saw the results, I got rejected

I also signed up and got rejected by maxbounty

and if anyone was wondering I signed up with an upwork and freelancer account and never got any jobs, all these online money making schemes are either heavily oversaturated to the point to where they reject everybody, don't work, don't actually make you any money ($0.00000001 every hour or some shit), and or are scams and fakes

 No.4517

Rev accepted my application. 4 dollars for an hour of work, but at least I don't have to send a .pdf resume like you have to for translating.

My Spanish is merde anyways.

 No.4554

>>4506

>>4495 here. My application was accepted and I tried it for a while, but honestly the quality of the audio files was so poor that transcribing most of them is not worth the money, or is literally impossible. All of the worst quality audio files get kicked down to the noobs, so it's a baptism by fire to reach the higher ranks where you get first pick of audio files.

If I kept at it, I think I could make up to $10 an hour, but it takes a lot more energy than something like Door Dash, which I used to do while my car was working. Easily made $10 an hour there, but had to pay for my own gas, which ate up 1/3 of my revenue. If I were more desperate I would probably keep working with Rev.



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 No.2827[Reply]

>23 no real experience working, always at home browsing or trying to learn something in order to make things pass by.
How do you keep with your lifestyle as a neet or hikki without leaving the house? Is it true that you can acquire some dough online? If so how do you do it? or if you could suggest some ideas would be really appreciated as someone who mostly is disgusted by other people and just wants to have a feel of fullfillment from doing something by myself and learning in the process.
Hope we can help to nurture each other by having some general ideas.
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 No.3076

I'm starting to look at buying and selling land. It seems pretty simple, is almost all online, and has only a few startup costs.

 No.3078

>>2835

you have to put fish guts and mayonnaise or something on the bottom part for realism just don't overdo it

 No.4539

>>3078
can't you just wear them yourself and maybe do some exercise in them to make them smell worse?

 No.4541

>>4539
Perverts know what dirty woman ass smells like. A dishonest stolen panty vendor is not a stolen panty vendor for long.

 No.4543

>>4539
Balls smell are nothing like vagoo smell, a few days without bathing and checking the fragance of your stuff should make it obvious to you how a female is NOT supposed to smell. And any male perverted enough to buy panties already knows how balls smell. So no, that wouldn't work.



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 No.4518[Reply]

Alright, so I’ve been lurking subtly on Ubuu for years now, just really becoming active now, desu.

But, I’m currently in a point in my life where I just feel like I’m stuck.
It all started a few months ago.
Everything started to slowly lose interest to me.
I had gotten back into Touhou around then, but trying to 1cc games started feeling boring and tedious.
Days feel like they blend together, life feels like it’s been draining of its color.
About a month in, no game interested me anymore.
As a matter of fact, nothing in life kept me intrigued.
It got to the point where the only thing that gave me solace was talking with my few friends on Discord.
Now, at this point I had started to indulge in a long forgotten passtime of mine; Roleplaying.
It felt rejuvinating, engaging even, to roleplay.
Roleplaying gave me a way to live a life of someone I wasn’t.
So I perfected the craft, making almost everything I did paragraph tier. It wasn’t even ERP, either, just normal, typical RPs.
It became addicting.
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 No.4529

>>4528
I’ll check them out if I find them.
Thanks for the recommendations.

 No.4530

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Take care of yourself anon. – Self-care and building yourself up will lead to something. its hard, take baby steps of course, start small, but you can do it. Be kind to yourself as you would be to someone else. Spend a little time away from the computer each day, (doesn't have to be for long) go for a short walk every day, even if you feel theres no reason to.

In my personal experience: making a small project and self publishing helps me cope. – If you like to RP, then perhaps find something to do with writing, even if its just silly / for yourself, make a zine/compile your thoughts and produce something, even if you dont think its great, other people will share your interests no doubt. – it doesn't have to be perfect. – And just making something could put you in a better place. :)

anyway just sharing my thoughts, from one person with depression to another, wishing you well.

 No.4531

>>4519
You never was in deep depression, didn't you?
It's not like tons of free time to put in your development. It's constant desire to stop existing, not some cool vacation.

 No.4532

>>4531
Op asked for advice, I gave it. It's not like you're doing anything to help them, Mr.Ultraunderstanding. You don't even know if op actually has clinical depression or not. Also, learn how to write a coherent sentence. Maybe you'd also benefit from a little reading?

 No.4533

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>>4530
Actually, I have been writing something for about a year or so, but as I mentioned it sort of stopped when I got block.
I think I might actually continue it.

Thank you so much for the advice and the draw.



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 No.2948[Reply]

When did dealing with your emotions become so difficult? It seemed like I always dealt with my emotions fine but all of a sudden im smoking a bowl and bullshitting here to run away from real life problems.

 No.2949

I doubt the shift actually came out of the blue. Something bad must have happened to you.

 No.4195

Maybe you've always had issues with it but are unable to scrape by anymore due to increasing expectations? I've always had stress issues but eventually it became too much and I caved inwards

 No.4516

Probably around 3rd year of highschool. I had always been pretty lonley and quiet but I always thought I would find some friends and a gf eventually but by junior year it had fully set in that I would most likely be alone forever, sure I have a couple good friends but they're just as hopeless as I am and I doubt itll last forever, every year it seems we talk less and less, my online friends grow distant as well. Other than my family, which I can hardly relate to at all, It's just a matter of time until I will be truely alone.



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 No.3979[Reply]

Almost 30, severe social anxiety, hikki/NEET for over 10 years, no college or high school (I was homeschooled), no skills, no real job experience. So sheltered and isolated I can't relate to anyone on even the most basic level.

At this point, I'm thinking a lot about suicide, but I don't want to give up before I've at least made a real try of it.

I desperately need money. That's the main thing that needs to be addressed before I can think of anything else. It's not just for me. It's my family. I live with my grandparents, who have supported me my entire life, and they're in really poor health (my grandfather is currently in the hospital). We're pretty much getting by on their social security benefits and food stamps. I've gotten where I at least leave the house to go to the store and run errands for my grandparents, but other than that, my situation is more or less the same as it has been for the past decade or so. If they're were anything I could do online, that would be ideal, but depending on what it is, I'd even be willing to get a real world job, although there are some caveats there. I can't do any cashier type stuff due to my social anxiety and poor people skills. I still don't know how I'm going to explain to any prospective employer that I'm 30 years old and have pretty much never worked a real job in my life. It would be great if there were some organization that helped shut-ins enter the workforce, but I doubt anything like that exists. If I could just find some way to make even minimum wage, it would be life changing. The most important thing is that it would buy me time, and this is what I need more than anything.

Do you guys have any ideas?
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 No.4002

Nothing has helped me to get employment like knowing someone who works at a place and being friends with them.
The awards I got during highschool, my volunteer work, and the fact that none of my previous bosses had anything bad to say, even the time that I spent utilizing government programs.
I'm a dishwasher now after having been unemployed for years on end and even though I feel and smell like shit often when I'm done at work I wouldn't dare quit because I need the money and don't want to spend another three years unemployed.
Maybe you could try that if you can't socialize that well, the trouble is that it often takes social skills to get friends to get employment.
If you can't do that you might be in trouble.

 No.4004

Have you ever considered becoming a hermit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_YfyjkxsSk

 No.4005

You could try:
>mturk
>clickworker
>affiliate marketing (ex. amazon affiliates)
>dropshipping (sell crap from aliexpress with markup on shopify or the like)

Or you could do some quasi-jobs like delivering papers (sibling made around $100 per week for 110 houses in canada when school was in. In summer it was $16.50 for the same amount of work due to glutton of younglings), shoveling walkways and the like. Whatever you do, you will end up sacrificing something for the money, be it excessive time, strength, dignity (due to your SA), or whatever. Whatever it is, just start. Even if it is as simple as a few menial nickels a day on clickworker. Think of life as a game where you must fight for and win your freedom.

If you are going to play any games, play the one that matters.

 No.4511

>>3979
I've been considering making counterfeit quarters myself, as another nearly 30 that lives with mildly abusive parents that no longer act nice to keep me there as they realize I won't likely move away now, even though ironically they want me to stay.

 No.4512

>>4511
>ironically they want me to stay
lol wut? Them letting you live with them means that they're already treating you nicely. Also, don't admit to considering crime on a public forum. God.



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 No.4490[Reply]

Is anyone here a hikki/neet because of a disability? Mental, physical, whatever.
I've always struggled during my youth due to mood swings + learning disability, and some terrible things happened during my tweens. My mental health was rapidly deteriorating in high school, so I didn't plan ahead for college or anything like that.
I got SSI 2 years ago for my ptsd, anxiety, dysthymia and bpd. I'm able to survive on it and still have money leftover related to my interests, but I feel so useless. Even if I wanted to work, I probably couldn't.
I just want to know if anyone else here has similar struggles. Or if anyone wants to vent about it.
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 No.4493

>>4492
lol keep projecting

 No.4494

>>4492
What is it called when bad parents blame their child's "bad behavior" on autism?

 No.4496

>>4490
desu I've got SAD and dyspraxia, both properly diagnosed, and I think a potential undiagnosed depressive disorder, and I'm neet but not hikki, and I think that they largely are responsible, and while I don't think I'm completely blameless, my SAD inhibits my ability to speak to people which is 99% of the reason you get or don't get a job, and the dyspraxia severely limits the work that I can do properly
I took counselling for about 3 years and have been on CBT for about 6 months, but I don't really know if it's improving me or not, and I'd like to improve, but I'm not certain I can
just venting I suppose

 No.4497

I have some depression but no official disabilit

 No.4498

>>4494
I also want to know if there is a word for this
t. "autist"



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 No.4454[Reply]

Has this board ever helped you, or were you only trolled or harassed? Also, should I be doing more to remove destructive users from this board?

Honestly, I hate where this board is going and I want to change something. Whether that's stricter rules, or more trigger-happy per-board bans for hooligans, or shutting down /hikki/ and telling everyone to go somewhere else, or even another board reset, is yet to be decided.

We didn't have a board like this at the beginning of the site; one of the admins added the original NEET board on their own some years back. I wonder if that was a mistake. /hikki/ was an attempt to scrub that board of the problems which are now, again, affecting it. I feel like nothing has really changed.

Is this just a place where depressed people simultaneously insult and validate each other's misery, while keeping each other down? Is it really doing more harm than good? Or, is it just a few bad users being disingenuous and drowning out what could have been a decent atmosphere? I wanted this board to be helpful but I'm not sure if that's what it's doing.

I want to hear what the people here think before I make a decision about the future of /hikki/. But, I can't let things keep going as they are now. Be honest, am I slacking off too much with the bans? Or is the problem with this place deeper than that?
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 No.4471

Alright, I will not destroy /hikki/. However, there seems to be a divide in opinion on whether or not there is anything to be done about it, so I'd like to hear more about that if anyone has specific ideas. Otherwise I'll continue to mostly leave it alone.

 No.4473

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>>4456
/hikki/ is a paradox in that's it's meant to help people out, while most of the people/userbase are people that seek help themselves
Basically what i'm saying is that's there's little established "i got out of NEETdom" userbase that posts aside from those shit bragging threads that get everyone angry. Even if there's these types of users (there is), they probably just want to hang out at /ot/ rather than /hikki/ because there's not much reason to try to help an userbase that is mostly static and Status Quo-y from what i've seen.

I don't know what can be done to prevent this, but imageboards generally feel depressing to browse, even when you are in the fun areas.
>>4456
>This board is the meat of ubuu along with ot
True, the activity has always been centered around /hikki/ and /ot/ before the YN:DD craze, because there is simply nothing left to discuss about YN. Yes, we could make that uboachan fangame (pls no) or do a fan update of Dickme Dicki but i think a lot of the userbase is centered and isolated in /hikki/ and /ot/ without any interaction with the rest of this site.
Plus it doesn't help that almost every ancient (named) user has sadly left.

 No.4474

>>4473
Well I like image boards. Also, any thread made outside of hikki and ot are probably also from regulars. Nobody who has been around for a while sticks to one part of ubuu only. Recent is the only page I check.

 No.4477

Ultimately, if you ask everyone on /hikki/ what they like about it and what it should be about, you're probably going to get a lot of conflicting answers, and there's not a great deal anyone can do about that. I myself just like to talk about the NEET/hikikomori lifestyle, and all it ensues, and with talk about being a keyword here. I don't want any armchair diagnostician trying to 'fix' me with the same old empty platitudes they always give
But that's just my thoughts on the matter

 No.4483

>>4454
I don't visit much anymore but I've met some of my closest friends from here.

This board has definitely helped me when I was down. There have been some pretty positive threads/posts about people improving their lives in the past which has given me some hope.

It's also nice to read about others in similar positions to your own and see how they are dealing with it.



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 No.4155[Reply]

To be hikkikomori is one of the highest forms of hedonism and selfishness. Especially if you rely on parents or flatmates for financial aid.

Some might contest that being a shut-in need isn't a conscious choice, that it's a result of environmental circumstances and mental illness, yet I still see people here who romanticise the lifestyle.

For a good few years, I have followed the culture of this board and others like it. I have seen the various IRC channels, discords and skype groups that have originated from this place, and I have come to the conclusion that this board ultimately promotes an anti-social attitude instead of discouraging and helping people abstain from it.

Most of you are lazy and are attempting to rationalise a piggish lifestyle.

Whaddaya think?
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 No.4194

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I kove how the guy snaps with the caps and how he barely manages to write coherent sentences, then calls us a laughing stock.

 No.4419

>>4170
Just because Asperger's is not in the DSM anymore, does not mean it is not a valid disorder. As research progresses symptoms for disorders get reevaluated and if necessary, as in the case of Asperger's, changed.

Asperger's now falls under Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and is more closely related to Social Communication Disorder (SCC). From what I understand, SCC is the more accurate diagnosis for those with symptoms of Asperger's in previous versions of the DSM, but since the classification is so new, there is not as much funding (think NEETbux) to people with that diagnosis, so they get diagnosed with Autism.

So yea, it's not right for you to ignore someone's diagnosis as their reason for being hiking just because the disorder isn't in the DSM. Things are alot more complicated than that.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/diagnosis/dsm-5-diagnostic-criteria

 No.4420

>>4419
> So yea, it's not right for you to ignore someone's diagnosis as their reason for being hiking just because the disorder isn't in the DSM. Things are alot more complicated than that.

That should be "reason for being hikki"

 No.4421

>>4419
Okay, fine. I realized that myself after making that post, but that split hair does not invalidate the rest of my post.

 No.4449

>>4419
AutismSpeaks is cancer. Try researching harder before spewing white noise. See ASAN for starters.



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 No.2367[Reply]

What are your MBTI types, /hikki/ ?

I recommend taking a few different tests and understanding what each letter means. I'm also guessing that most people here are INxx

Some people discredit MBTI, but I think if you treat it a a rough guideline, it can offer some good insights to yourself and others.

INTP wasted-potential masterrace reporting in
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 No.4410

>>4409
This project is going to fail unless a miracle occurs

 No.4411

>>4409
>A large and complicated narrative with a disregard for the audience's sentiments, as well as a subtle drive to antagonize the reader whenever possible.
That sounds really obnoxious and unreadable. It takes a highly skilled writer to both completely neglect giving readers what they want while still keeping their interest and attention. If you're trying to go for the Tokyo Ghoul or Game of Thrones effect, maybe try something more simple first?

 No.4412

>>4411
See, nothing in that whole "grimdark" family group ever really got to where I wanted it to go. Even GRRM disappointed me at times. I'm really struggling to mix aggression with appeal and a sense of rationality, I want to capture a GG Allin concert in prose fiction.
You're right about the skill level something like this will require. My voice as a writer has served me well so far, but worldbuilding and narrative structure, they have always fought with me. I've got the general storyline marked out start to finish, but the meat between the setpiece moments is going to be tricky.
Whatever happens, I'm not afraid of rewriting. I could keep this on the desk for ten years if need be.

 No.4413

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>>4412
>GG Allin concert in prose fiction.
I've got some pretty good ideas. Give all of the characters sick, full body, Asian style tats. Make everybody have long, philosophical monologues about anarchism every three pages. Throw in gratuitous, yet still inhibited depictions of violence. Like, you have dead hobos and guys whose heads have been shot, but you can't have stripped naked little girls who have been sawed in half because that's too fucked up. Maybe throw in lots of drugs. The characters should definitely live in a really dirty, ugly city. Bonus points for making it a dystopia novel. Sorry if I came off as disparaging your concept, but those are the sorts of vibes you're giving me. Some more specific details would be nice.

 No.4416

>>4413
"It must have been a lonely place he lived in, because for every indulgence there was something else he denied himself as a means to the end. He accomplished what he did right here in our faces, in real time, with little help from any tool outside his own mind. These things cannot be denied. Could we have learned more from him if he was still around? Did we learn anything at all? Hope we meet again."
- Joe Coughlin, GG Allin biographer

I look at his concerts as more than a shocking punk show. The uncertainty, the fear, the schafenfreude, the sense of true freedom that permeated the hall for the duration of his performances. The audience and the bystanders were brought to the pinnacle of punk stage invasion. Who's going to run away? Who's going to be his victim? Who's going to riot? And why? It's a very metamodernist before metamodernism existed kind of experience.
Maybe I should try again. To see all the different kinds of rational people that enter an extreme situation, their reasons, and then watch how they behave once they're in the thick of it, this is what excites me. The danger and the negative thrill shape and flavor the experience, with the root of everything not being a catalyst or a demiurge, but still in the fight and making the waves that will drown it out.
The medium of live music has failed to capture the human experience this well, before and after GG's time. I see the same problem with prose fiction. Proust, GRRM, Trumbo, Mailer, Hill, Fitzgerald, Mann, they have had their successes, but they never even came close to what this medium can acheive. I'm done looking for someone to have done it right. Now I'm going to do it myself.



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