/hikki/ - NEET / Advice

the only reason i'm posting here is to help this thread grow because I feel like this will be a good thread.

why do you think that anon

>>6971
because I want to see what a scitzoids life is like and why they became NEET'S.

but why

>>6970
anon this entire board is filled with schizos, and I don't mean the schizoid kind. you literally have some fag spamming this board everyday with schizo messages and nobody gives a fuck, and when any discussion happens its just flamebaiting. you're probably not gonna get any decent discussion.

as for my opinion, schizoids just seem to be [VAGUE LABEL], like all other shit from the DSM. its very easy to diagnose a schizoid with clinical depression and vice versa. focus on your environment and train of thought first and pills second, they barely do anything without the former.

i m sorry

i don t care about anything

i m out

>>6977
When I looked this up, all I could think was "Is this seriously considered a disorder?" It just sounds like valuing different things. And apparently if you don't value what normies value, that makes you ill?

Maybe it's more complicated then that, but to me it just sounds like anyone who deviates from the norm is immediately labeled "ill", when really, it's probably moreso the fact that we're born into a culture that doesn't accommodate us that's the problem.

>>6980
yes and no, to some extent it is being different from normie values. but at the same time, it does have some effects that very much do set it as a disorder for various reasons.

it tends to cause a permanent malaise, severe detachment from emotions, severe damage to the ability to form emotional connections to anything amongst other issues.

in essence, it's like being a sociopath without the benefit of being a sociopath and with some of the negatives of severe depression permanently thrown into the mix. forever wanting human contact yet being unable to connect with people in any way is not a fun way to be.
though understanding just how much of this is disorder and how much is just the modern world being fucked is still undecided given that therapists and psychologists are more incompetent than ever.

>>6982
>forever wanting human contact yet being unable to connect with people in any way is not a fun way to be.

Can confirm lol. I'm a little confused on what constitutes schizoid personality disorder. Every source i've found has claimed "Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships, including being part of a family." as a symptom. Yeah, the inability to do so is also mentioned, but it seems a lack of desire itself constitutes a symptom.

As an aside, I found an interesting wikipedia extract on the subject. "Some critics such as Nancy McWilliams of Rutgers University and Parpottas Panagiotis of European University Cyprus argue that the definition of SPD is flawed due to cultural bias and that it does not constitute a mental disorder but simply an avoidant attachment style requiring more distant emotional proximity. If that is true, then many of the more problematic reactions these individuals show in social situations may be partly accounted for by the judgements commonly imposed on people with this style. However, impairment is mandatory for any behaviour to be diagnosed as a personality disorder. SPD seems to satisfy this criterion because it is linked to negative outcomes. These include a significantly compromised quality of life, reduced overall functioning even after 15 years and one of the lowest levels of "life success" of all personality disorders (measured as "status, wealth and successful relationships"). However, determination of what qualify as "impairments" or as "negative outcomes" is itself potentially subject to cultural bias. People with SPD may not regard a lack of social-status or successful relationships, for example, as a harm. Furthermore, correlation with negative outcomes does not necessarily demonstrate that these outcomes were directly caused by the schizoidal traits. Rather, it may be that these outcomes are the result of discrimination against people with SPD, who may be viewed as abnormal."

but yeah i agree anhedonia and emotional detachment are problems. But given that those are symptoms of lots of things, I sorta wonder whether SPD itself has any value as a distinct diagnosis.

>>6980
>but to me it just sounds like anyone who deviates from the norm is immediately labeled "ill"
yes, shit like ODD exists

>>6980
>>6983
While it comes off as just a personality type, there is definitely something going on in the brain that I think qualifies it as a non-disruptive disorder. There are things that I and other people diagnosed share that we have no business sharing due to how different our circumstances were/are. Regardless of time and place, even across continents, cultures and upbringing, we share very specific traits, actions we take/activities we do, and interests. It's not just 'you dont like people but are lonely' as it tends to be portrayed, though that is the core of it.
The issue with mental disorder diagnosis is that it requires the diagnosed disorder to cause negative outcomes. I don't believe SPD causes negative outcomes on it's own. You're far more likely to get a bad life from chronic depression than if you exclusively have SPD. I believe that it's a disorder in the sense that there are wires crossed in the brain that are not meant to be crossed in such a way by default.

I find it hard to describe what exactly I mean about shared traits and what makes it different from a personality type. I'm an examples person my brain works on imagery and comparisons, technical description and writing isn't my strength. If you'd like I could perhaps use myself or characters from media to express how an individual with SPD experiences life in a uniquely different way than both healthy people and those with other mental disorders.

>>7021
Just for the record, in order for a set of exhibited experiences or behaviors to be considered a "personality disorder", it isn't even necessarily a prerequisite that the brain be "wired" abnormally. From wikipedia on personality disorders: "Personality disorders (PD) are a class of mental disorders characterized by enduring maladaptive patterns of behavior, cognition, and inner experience, exhibited across many contexts and deviating from those accepted by the individual's culture. These patterns develop early, are inflexible, and are associated with significant distress or disability."

That's an important distinction because, in order for a personality disorder to be diagnosed, all that is required is that you meet the behavioral or experiential criteria laid out (Typically the ones laid out in the ICD or DSM.) It could be, that you meet those criteria, but there isn't necessarily any abnormalities in your brain.

So when you say "I believe that it's a disorder in the sense that there are wires crossed in the brain that are not meant to be crossed in such a way by default.", while this could be the case, and it very well may be the case, it isn't a necessity that it be the case for you to be considered a schizoid. It is actually the personality itself that is the object of the diagnosis, not some abnormality of the brain it indicates. Obviously, PD's aren't pointless diagnosis's, since individuals experiencing them often experience distress as a result. But what about when they don't? Can you even call it a disorder? I'd argue not.
…At least, that's what my infinitesimally small understanding of personality disorders is. I don't really believe anything I say with certainty.

>If you'd like I could perhaps use myself or characters from media to express how an individual with SPD experiences life in a uniquely different way than both healthy people and those with other mental disorders.

I'm interested.

>>7023
But reading through this, I just realized that I inadvertently made an argument in favor of SPD as a diagnosis.

>Obviously, PD's aren't pointless diagnosis's, since individuals experiencing them often experience distress as a result. But what about when they don't? Can you even call it a disorder? I'd argue not.

If you flip this around, the conclusion becomes "If the set of behaviors or experiences DOES cause distress, then SPD is useful as a diagnosis"