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Any long-term / no experience NEETs want to share their stories? Or just your existence.


>never had a job
>barely got through school
>haven't left the house in 5 months, haven't left the house for an actual reason in over 2 years
>haven't had a social life in 5 years
>No traumatic past
>no medical issues / disabilities
>not rich / privileged enough to justify or explain it
>not poor / struggling enough to be without internet, food, warmth, privacy

I'm in a really weird and shitty place at the moment. I'm constantly guilty, suicidal, apathetic, angry, scared, lonely, antisocial, bored, tired, and in a state of malaise.

I'm physically and mentally able. I can work, I can think, I can deal with people. Yet I'm a parasite.
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I guess you didn't quite get what I meant. I am FAR from a functional person(As I said, I haven't left my home for anything but groceries in THIRTEEN YEARS.) and there has been something wrong with me since childhood but every psychiatrist had a different vague idea (usually schizo-something) and SOMETHING had to be put on the form by the psychiatrist when applying so I chose 'schizophrenia' because that's an obvious and clearcut form of crazy.
As for "pathetic normal people" I didn't say I hated them. Their live normal lives just seem pretty sad and definitely not something can be lorded over the people here.
On a final note no I wouldn't be dead or starving I'd be homeless or institutionalized, both of which would cost taxpayers more. Or are you advocating suicide?


Yeah, I misunderstood what you meant. Sorry about that. While a normal routine for people can seem relatively depressing, it's as close to as good as it gets as currently possible for the average person. Things were shittier before and they are going to better compared to now in the future. I don't think there's anything sad about that.


>Without [non-neets] you'd probably [not exist]
You make that sound like a bad thing.


Yknow what's funny, the middle class wouldn't exist without the working class, but no one shows them the minimum of respect. Same logic with neets, why would they care


I think:
1.block all "entertainment media" like youtube reddit facebook instagram tiktok , i whould say delayed gratification (the google chrome plugin) can help , you may still want acess to youtube for tutorials without the recomandation feed so you dont get distracted , there are ways to remove recomandations from your youtube . i think the unhook (google chrome plugin) could help , i think Andrew Kirby even talked about something like this in a video titled "how to make your PC into a productivty beast" or something like that. If the 30 sec countdown every 2 min doesnt work there are plugins for quitting cold turkey (one of them litteraly being named "cold turkey").

2. Delete all videogames from your computer hard drive , if you want to go the extra mile , give the steam/epic whatever account/video games to someone else or sell them. This violates the steam/epic games contract and they will disable the account if they catch you but you dont play videogames anymore so who cares (other than the guy you sold it to)

Good job , you have removed all distractions from your computer (i think , perhaps there is something i left out idk)

I whould say selling the computer for money whould be a better ideea than destroying it because you also get some cash on the side , or just giving it to someone else. Also should be a last resort

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I have failed again it seems that I keep wasting a day away and then starting the work at the last moment, I have tried every reformation but it all makes it go worse I don't know what I can do to fix it, I dunno what gets into me in the day, I have no idea about why I made the decisions I made, what the fuck do I do? what the fuck can I do right now to ensure that I don't fuck up tomorrow morning? it's as if I am a different person, I really have no fucking idea anymore, everything I have tried has failed, I can't fucking give up.

I broke every vow I ever took over the past few years, I lied and lied whenever it was convenient

I was able to stop being a neet but I only ended up making my situation worse, I am trying to cover HS with homeschooling since I dropped out ages ago.

I have no idea what I should do I wish I was convinced in what I was doing but every fibre of my body wants to go back to being a neet, I have to cover up an years syllabus in 2-3 weeks if I don't wanna waste an year.



What exactly is keeping you from achieving, anon? Lack of concentration? Laziness? Too much to do?



From my personal experience social media is a big time sink , think reddit snapchat instagram and tiktok and perhaps even youtube. I whould say youtube is the best out of the aforementioned imo as "entertainment platforms" because you can just put in in the backround while you persue a hobby (ie. drawing) but can still be a big time sink.

And you dont even realise it , you just get from work/school/wakeup/whatever the fuck you where supposed to do then go on social media and start mindlessly scrolling , its more of a reflex/reaction than anything , like if bored then social media , but because you get a steady ammount of dopamine/seretonin you keep browsing , the ammount isnt great , its just enought to make you feel "meh" and most importantly for the owners of the app, its enought to keep you there for the longest ammount of time.

Again , its more of a reflex than an addiction , i have quit reddit by getting the "delayed gratification" plug in , setting a 30 sec timer on reddit every 5 min and it seems to have worked. While i turned to youtube and grindy repetitive videogames/playing them in a grindy repetitive manner/stuff that doesnt require a lot of mental effort.

I whould usually have some sort of withdrawl when i stopped playing videogames (it was just mental: aka bad feelings like apathy) but for reddit nothing changed wherer i was browsing or not. same sensation of apathy. Just the reflex like sensation that comes from time to time by some triggers that i am not aware of (likely boredom triggers it time to time) that is usually fought off by the 30s countdown

TL:DR: Quit social media , its not as hard as you think it is,the delayed gratification plugin is a god send for it.

(Delayed gratification plugin: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/delayed-gratification/ifhndomfnbmggdgodaicfebeggdphlcn?hl=en)

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When I have to interact with people, quite often, they will find a way to misinterpret my anxiety. There are many misinterpretations, but they all seem to revolve around the other person involved. They think I must only be anxious because of them, not realizing that people with social anxiety are pretty much always anxious around people, except perhaps around their family members or a small group of friends. But around people they don't know, they will be anxious.

I have been accused of racism for being anxious around non-white people at my college's cafeteria, despite the fact that I get social anxiety around white people too. One time, a female counselor implied that I must be anxious around women, not understanding that I am anxious around men too. People have said thinks like "anon is bad at talking to girls" or "or anon gay?" but I am just bad at talking to people in general. Saying I'm "bad at talking to girls" implies that I'm good at talking to guys, which is not true.

The female counselor I saw sent me to a male counselor in the same counseling office place and I was anxious around him too. He seemed to take it personally and thought it was about him as an individual. Very unprofessional across the board. He also asked me about drugs and alcohol and I told him about my drinking, and so he thought I must be anxious because of drinking too often (it's the opposite: I drink too much to cope with anxiety, not the other way around).

Another time, someone invited me to volunteer at a homeless shelter. I was sleep-deprived and also still had social anxiety, because I always have it, and being in a situation where I had to serve people food and talk to them made it especially bad. The person who invited me implied that I was afraid of homeless people, even though they've seen how I act around other people.

A final example was how I was invited by my friend to spend Thanksgiving with him and his family. They are extremely loud and outgoing and it was a little intimidating with all the questions and being put on the spot a few times. My friend thought I really enjoyed checking my phone, when in reality I was only doing it to avoid making eye contact or to cope with my extreme anxiety.

I don't get the impression that very many people truly understand what I'm going through, and these accusations make it even worse.

Have people ever misinterpreted your mental health issues? If so, what happened?
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They do. As a rule, good experiences that are the polar opposite of the bad experiences you've had help healing.


Basically everyone in highschool thought I'm an asshole because I didn't say hello or talked to them. Even a fucking teacher called me out and said I'm a bad person for doing that to my classmates. Like they couldn't even imagine it can be hard for someone to do.


Normalfags really have no emotional intelligence


I'm not sure if I had social anxiety because almost everyone stared at me, or the other way around. What the fuck was so interesting about me that they felt the need to stare? I dressed in nondescript single-color clothes, combed my hair like Chad, and walked normally. Or was it that they can tell I'm trying not to make eye contact? They can tell what you're looking at, so maybe they can tell what you're averting your gaze from? Similar to the MC in "Watashi ni Shinasai", my look of terror may have been misinterpreted as a cold glare, minus the glasses.


Yeah, it's the body language. Also if you have a "resting face" you're pretty much evil for them.

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Ever consider taking a vow of silence?

Like I get so tired of people calling me stupid or retarded… or just giving me *that* look. It would be so much easier to just shut up forever.
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NEETs/hikkis tend to have issues like anxiety and depression, right? Aren't psychopaths people who lack empathy or feelings? I think that, in order to be a NEET/hikki, you have to feel emotions too intensely. Social anxiety is caused by thinking about other people's judgments too much. If someone was a psychopath (or maybe I am getting words confused here), they wouldn't care at all what other people think. In fact, that kind of insanity could lead to extremely high confidence.


He's implying that if a psycho can feign emotions they do not possess, "so can you", not that anybody here is a psychopath.


I want to send my love to all of you anons, and I feel you, as someone who's been bullied in an inescapable setting, and considered this. I recommend writing in a journal, talking to yourself, or if you can, finding one person that you can talk to about random things. Expressing yourself regularly will give you a sense of being a stable, logical, single human being, and other people's behavior doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. Our minds are beautiful and we were all meant.


Only the bullied retards like to spout nonsensical and delusional crap like this. You should have been bullied more.


Careful not to cut yourself on that edge.

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My girlfriend is a NEET.

She has had a few jobs in the past, but she has always had to leave due to mental health problems. She has been struggling with mental health problems ever since her teenage years. Specifically, she has BPD and depression. I can relate with many of her feelings and experiences, because I also struggle with depression. One thing I should mention is that we have only talked online; I will be meeting her in person for the first time very soon. I seek other opinions and perspectives.

If you are in a situation similar to her, how would you want someone to support you?

If you have been in a similar situation, how did it go?
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>goes into containment board
>complains it's a containment board
0/10 newfag isn't even trying. Please stop.



>online long distance relationships exist and those isolated in their rooms won't be any less hikki for that.

I mean there could also be a physical relationship of 2 hikkies in a room togheter that dont interact with soceity and other stuff like a single hikki whould and tick all the boxes if we where to count them as one person like not going outside for 6 months and not interacting with others (other than themselfes) . dont know if that counts as hikki or just NEET.

While very unlikely , its a possibility , the most likely way i can think of is hikki meeting hikki online and falling in love then deciding to move in the same room.

I mean hikki is ultimately just a label to describe existing behaviour at the end of the day so it doesnt really matter of someone is labeled a hikki or not because if they still suffer most if not all the symptoms (for example didnt leave the room for 10 months except one time 5 months ago when they needed to buy milk from the store may not be techically hikki because they left the room but still suffer the acute social withdrawl and all that stuff).


>if we where to count them as one person


My ideea was that its a very socially recluse couple , as in:

-spending most of the day and nearly every day confined to home,

-marked and persistent avoidance of social situations, and social relationships, (except for the GF/BF)

-social withdrawal symptoms causing significant functional impairment,

-duration of at least six months, and
no apparent physical or mental etiology to account for the social withdrawal symptoms.


If somebody wanted to be a normie they could do it on heyuri or 7chan
I'm glad you think you're that important

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I've been thinking about this for quite a long time. I'm a hikki and NEET, don't have an education and am disabled. What are some ways I could I get by when/if things go sour, or if I want to leave this lifestyle? I am probably too far gone already, but hopefully one of these can work for you. This topic gets discussed a lot in NEET/hikki communities, but I'm mentioning a lot stuff I don't see listed elsewhere. Don't believe anyone who tells you "bro you have to go out and work a job, sorry, that's life." Fuck that noise! Some of these are fully sustainable, some are risky, just for short-term cash, or a small amount of passive income. Some of these are kind of out there and and may not work well in practice.

(You'll want to read the first reply to this thread for a continuation, the body was way too long.)

>Pornographic artist/developer

Porn artists and porn game developers can make serious money through both commissions and Patreon. The more depraved/niche you're willing to do (gay, furry, scat etc.), the better the pay is. Porn games can also make a lot more money than just doing porn art.

>Boosting people, competitive vidya

I've done this when I was a GM Overwatch player, but I don't play that game anymore. With enough skill and time put in, you could sustain yourself completely with this. Hard part is getting a reputation at the beginning, you need to be patient. Should be smooth sailing from there, as long as major changes to the game don't fuck you up.

>Game cheat developer

Subscription private cheats. You can read and learn a lot about cheat development on forums like UnknownCheats. It's really not that hard; if you know C or C++, you're ready to get started. Cheat development is fun, too. Alternatively, use your undetected private cheat for boosting people more reliably.

>The Amazon affiliate program

This is a little complicated to explain here. It involves creating websites and SEO. You'll want to read this, it actually has some good information, explained better than I ever could: https://old.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/5mzpz6/in_2016_i_made_31615415_via_the_amazon_affiliate/
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I feel like that's kinda a trade off though. I know if I was female I wouldn't feel comfortable putting that kinda shit on the internet. Onlyfans is for people who don't feel shame, or are just really desperate I feel like.


I'm the one who asked "How to get money for being female" and, personally, I'm not built to put up with degenerates, stalkers, and do things I find degrading (like sex work, farming simps, etc.) I would prefer something more discreet, I think I'll stick to drawing fetish art or making websites.


>Try NoFap and/or a dopamine detox.

Not the person you gave the advice to but:
Did you nofap/dopamine detox them? Did those acttualy work for you? are you sure its more than placebo? Any advice for either one or both.

Also in terms of nofap , while i havent done it ,i think its important to not fall in the "nofap makes basically a demigod" trap or even worse go full SR and then go even further into the rabbit hole and end up at "w*men are succubi trying to steal men`s magic cock juice and prevent them from accending to Nevada (just buy a plane ticket lol) or somthing"


I dont understand this mentality that someone who has worked in sexwork shouldnt get employed , like whats the reasoning. Its not like putting your tits online makes your code magically worse, who fucking cares? why?

Who is gonna recognise you as "the girl who does sexwork online" , like what 2 people that went to the restaurant once , went "this woman looks similar to that girl online , might even be her , thats neat" and buy their usual 2 number 9s with extra dip or pepperoni pizza.

I am not saying that what you are saying is wrong , i just dont understand why employers wont hire sexworkers.

(Not the person you replied to)


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I agree , on the internet its best to remain faceless , nameless and bodyless in general. What i mean by that is "they dont know how you look and dont know your irl name and personal info"

For example if you decide to get political , as you do and someone gets offended they cant attempt to call the company you work at and go
"umm… hey guys… so i had a political debate with one of your employees , he goes by the handle u/JokerMama69 , his real life name is Ion Popescu , and um… this guy is a [Insert political ideology] , can you pls fire him , thanx"

(from what I heard this happens to all sides of the political debates)

Or someone Jonny Galinder making you to play the blue whale challange and threatening you that they will kill you if you dont (if they follow up or not thats something else, but it will be much harder to follow up if they dont know who tf you even are)

And god knows what.

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By self-improvement I mean doing more than the basics (getting a job/moving out), non-essential things like having hobbies or a social life. If I start now I will be quite old-ish by the time I see results, and most people will be moving on to something else. I cannot fill the gaps in experience, just make try to catch up and pretend I'm not behind.


just try to catch up*


Plenty of people either do those things because they want to, or because they think they can find additional social acceptance for having done them (which is really just another way of saying they want to do them). If wanting to do them doesn't apply to you, then don't. But understand what frequently befalls those who choose not to do those things.


I was a loser a few months ago. I'm still a loser, but now I can play the piano at a very bad grade 2, draw very poorly, and just about understand Japanese spoken by a small child.
Still, I'd recommend it, especially if you're a NEET like I am, since you'll be doing something with your time. I started doing these because I wanted to.
My regret is not starting earlier, since I'd be way more proficient than I am now, and probably enjoying it more since I won't have the frustrations that come with being inept at things.


Self-improvement should at the end of the day mean improving your life , making yourself a happier person (in the hedonistic sense) , this includes stuff like delayed gratification ofcourse.

>social life

If you dont want to have a social life its ok , if you do , thats ok as well. I personally just dont feel the need , considering you mentioned it you likely do. Do not be influenced by what others think of you (for example: "I must have [X] because soceity will thing bad of me if i dont")

Think about it , is it a genuine need to connect with other human beings (or something along those lines) or is it just "soceity will (not) like this" (do this for basically everything for example , nice cars, nice clothes, latest iphone , etc.) .If you do , i cant help you. The pandemic likely made it harder , and try finding people with similar intrests but thats about all i know.

WARNING: DONT fall into the trap of trying to delude yourself into thinking you dont want a social life when you acttualy do because its too dificult.


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Need any art advice?

While i dont know what your weak and strong points are as i havent seen your art , i will give some general advice:

-Unlearn symbol drawing
Symbol drawing is when you draw what your mind thinks it sees rather than what your eyes actually see. You likely already got past this stage but i am mentioning it nonetheless.

Here is an exercise to help you unlearn it. Decide on a thing to draw , for example a lamp. Destroy all your preconceptions of how a lamp looks like. Think of it as an alien object that you need to document , you cant take photographs and you need to draw it as accurately as possible.

-Learn the fundamentals and start with perspective
if you can do perspective you can do whatever the fuck and it should look ok as long as the perspective is good it should look ok atleast. Feel free to break normal perspective if you want to go for a certain feeling but learn the rules before you break them.

You may at first fall into the trap of doing isometric perspective (the one you learn in math class and draw cubes with), in art perspective all parallel lines , eventually meet at a place called the "vanishing point" (the ones going up dont meet up if you are doing 2 point perspective , which is usually "good enought") , this point is usually on the horison line (aka. the eye line) but in certain cases its not (ie. Stuff that is slanted , you need an auxilarly vanishing point for those)
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Has anyone here ever been obsessed with someone for no reason at all? Not in a crush-esque kinda way, just platonic, if that.

For example, I saw someone a while back on a Discord server and they're probably the only person who shares the same interests on the server as I do. I can't get them out of my head and am constantly thinking about doing stuff together. I've got a circle of friends already, but I just feel some sort of a special connection (?) to them. Am I becoming a creep or something?
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you're such a pos


It's dangerouns to obsess over someone AND not interact with them. That's an easy path to idealizations and false expectations and that never ends well for anyone involved.


Every so often I get really horny and watch a lot of porn. I get paranoid about porn being deleted from the internet forever so I save it on my hard drives. Every so often, I stumble on a relatively unknown pornstar who is attractive, but usually retired or mainly only does a bit of modeling and selective paid porn clips on clips4sale or something. I usually get really invested in them and track their social media, and if they aren't active or oddly stopped being active somewhat recently, I try to track down anyone that may know their status. I download as much of their catalog as I can find that is available anywhere online and they don't leave my head for maybe weeks or even months. Especially if they are still silent on social media and that small connection I may feel will be gone.


There's a person I've known online for over a year that I wanted to get in touch with in a "I want to be friends with you" way. Recently I started thinking about it again, and for a few weeks I struggled with an urge to message them. Eventually, I cold emailed them a short message, they saw it and I got a response. That got rid of this specific uncertainty and got it off my mind. I wrote multiple drafts before I ended up with the one I sent.


>feel like a creep
>check favorite dead board
>whole ass thread of fags doing the same shit
>feel better

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I do not mean on this site but in general where are all the losers hanging out online now because all the imageboards are very slow and any of the bigger platforms are suffocating by censoring controversial opinions driving discussion of those topics away yet where is everyone?

ver the past 5 years it is like nearly every hikikomori realized that online communities for losers were not worth the drama or they killed themselves.
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Take a shower


Why would you want to stream your screen? Some sense of merging yourself with other people?


Shit server.


yeah, feel like I'm sharing experiences with ppl.
are you in any better neet servers?

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They have no idea how lucky they are to have a job. I've been a hikki since 2013 (I'm 27 now) and it seems there's no way of getting out. I fully believe I will expire as a homeless dude without a penny to my name. What a life.
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Same, I think that's true for many of us.


When I am a neet, then after a few months I start to wish for a job.
When I have a job, then after a few months I start to wish to be a neet again.
Both has it's downsides and upsides, everytime I experience the downside from on thing I want the upside from the other back.


I worked in the past many years before being a hikki and it had its upsides I think it is important for people to work if they do not have any other goals in life it is artifical though and to devote yourself to working as a life goal is stupid but if you can honesty be happy to be a cog in the machine consuming and producing value then you really are lucky.

I get retardbux now and ony really spend my money on drugs.
I do not get annoyed when normies complain about working I get more annoyed when they try to tell people they need to work and I agree people need to work as a general rule but you hear young people berated for being a NEET more than for being lifeless droids that have no goal other than hedonism.

Us hikikomori are really just fucked if we have no goals it is all fucked I do not think we shoud look beyond the curtain if you can be normalscum go for it you are lucky not because you can get things that some of us desire but that you can desire at all.

I have had it all it is all shit I am just too afraid to kill myself at the moment because my drug use convinced me we do not die after death.


You die when you work.


You're all stupid and got brainwashed by bourgeois propaganda. Working for a wage will not make you happy nor set you free or whatever retards say these days, at best it won't make you have to worry about having food on your plate if you're poor, but it'll still make you miserable and crush your very soul.

Now, working on personal projects and just for fun is an entirely different matter.

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