No.8385
Man this imageboard used to be fucking cool.
This type of shit has only caused harm to the chan culture if you haven't figured already. Instead of giving us the right to say whatever the fuck we want, you'd always double down on every little thing we've complained about, and pussy out by banning the posts which contradict your brainwashed perspective.
Last thing I've ever wanted on imageboards was the alphabets taking over. These entitled, hypersensitive, silver-spooned terminally online mobs will do anything in their power to take down the meanies. And now it seems that nobody has the chance of stopping them, be it imageboards or elsewhere.
Gone are the days of people having the right to be repulsed by fags, telling them to fuck off back to the Pulp Fiction basement. Feels absurd to live in a world where anything said against the alphabet is considered a horrible, horrible thing now.
In fact, anything said about trannies in a remotely negative light in the present day is enough to make you enemy of the entire world. Anything anti-tranny is somehow "morally wrong" and "literally the devil". Well guess what, recommending your impressionable friends and kids to mutilate their fucking bodies in order to "achieve euphoria uwu" (or whatever other bullshit excuses you have) sure as fuck isn't the morally superior thing.
It makes me vomit. It physically makes me uncomfortable to think this is getting more accepted by the day, and you're contributing to this moral decline no less. Each and every fucking one of you mongrels.
If freaks of nature let freaks of nature openly discuss their fetishes, then only the most disgusting, rancid-smelling, grotesque herd of posters will soon be the only ones left here.
Not long until we see Uboachan become a minor-friendly hugbox using the most limited vocabulary possible, with anons sharing support left and right in the spirit of "YOU'RE ALL SO VALID AND EVERYONE LOVES YOU UWU :333"
Instead of taking care of the years-long pizza spam, we get shit like this. If you plan on turning this place into anonymous Reddit, then go ahead and make a fucking subforum on that shortbus site. You'll have millions of cumbrains agree with you without any compromise.
Either stop with this retardation or find someone sane enough to run this place instead. You're a 30+ year old man putting on skirts in public. Grow a fucking brain already(Yep gone are the days and all that, don't let the door hit your fragile butt on the way out.)
No.8386
>>8385>wordswordswordswordsthe left can't meme
No.8387
>>8385You are wasting your breath, I won't be swayed. But I am leaving this for now because I feel like there are things I ought to say but I don't have the time or energy at the moment. It is true that things used to be like that here, and maybe it bears making a statement about why I decided to change the formula. Because it wasn't an easy decision for me.
No.8388
>>8385i bless that you find some state of mind that doesnt involve you having to tear down others for your own self appeasement
No.8389
>>8385>moral declineInteresting language there buddy.
Nice essay, all because you're butthurt about some tranny or other living their life. And you call them the pussies. Grow up, cunt.
No.8391
does e sterilise you permanently? been considering feminising somewhat, for personal aesthetics and preferences.
No.8393
>>8391no, it doesn't. as long as you don't have any kind of permenant surgery, fertility effects of HRT are almost entirely reversable if you stop the medication. the only non-reversable effects are changes to bone structure/densisty and breast growth, but i believe there are procedures and surgeries that can help revert those to what they were pre-HRT.
No.8396
>>8380Ready to make some smores
Wanted to start the fire but I was too late, have my crappy opinion anyways.
Unless I wish to date or sex you I do not give a damn about which gender you want to present yourself as, how you look or even who you want to do lewd things with. Be yourself. That's the one thing that matters. Yet I would actually be happier if gender and sex wasn't the first thing certain people threw at me when I met them. For some reason it instantly raises a red flag for me. I have met too many people IRL with such traits that ended up being absurdly obnoxious. Even then, the majority of them is still cute and deserving of a hug.
>>8385>Not long until we see Uboachan become a minor-friendly hugbox using the most limited vocabulary possibleFuck off. Unless I get fired for this post that won't happen. This isn't a Redditor-owned Discord server for a spinoff of a niche RPG game released on the MSX in '91 that has somehow crossed the sea and sparked a whole franchise with the server having an actual artist blocklist posting the art of will get you banned and witch trials on anyone with opinions they don't like. Here you got banned for poking the wasp nest.
>Instead of taking care of the years-long pizza spam, we get shit like this.There are still minor things to finalize but otherwise the spam is mostly gone. If you are such a smart butt, maybe you should have applied for the position to help implement the spam filters.
>>8388Now this applies to me as well and I surely hope so as well.
No.8397
>>8396tru
i think i get what you're saying. character defines you, but i don't think you mean that in a way that eclipses other traits or personal struggles.
No.8399
>>8376Good luck… hopefully this will go better than the previous attempts
No.8403
>>8385>don't let the door hit your fragile butt on the way outSays the man who's shamelessly talked about getting fucked in the ass "more times than he'd like to admit". The prisoner ass syndrome dude projecting like mad here.
>>8387>maybe it bears making a statement about why I decided to change the formulaI just wanna fucking be my true self on this site again, without causing you trannies to seethe and dilate.
>>8388Being calm about this bullshit has never worked. You mongrels never stop yourself from doubling down on the bratty shit you've done. There's ultimately a limit to stopping people from breeding, so I bet this only makes you rush to that point.
>>8396>Here you got banned for poking the wasp nestThat's funny. I'm betting that's a metaphor for poking your victims with estrogen-filled syringes.
>If you are such a smart butt, maybe you should have applied for the position to help implement the spam filtersWell too bad I'd rather not wanna associate with pinkpilled jannies, or become one of them god forbid.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.8405
>>8403I lol'd at "poking your victims with estrogen-filled syringes", I hope you stay with us anon, just chill out.
>I just wanna fucking be my true self on this site againIs this really such a big part of your-self that you're so fiery about this whole thing?
No.8406
>>8403
> Says the man who's shamelessly talked about getting fucked in the ass "more times than he'd like to admit".You are mistaken. It's not more than I'd like to admit, it's more than I can remember lmao. It's awesome you should try it. :3
> I just wanna fucking be my true self on this site again, without causing you trannies to seethe and dilate.What a coincidence, I also want to be my true self on this site without making you nazi terrorists froth at the mouth and scream about wanting me to kill myself and shit. It used to be jokes, you know, back in the beginning. You could see the humor in the rude comments. They sometimes sounded like malice at a glance but often it was really all in good fun, or at least it seemed that way at the time. What's changed since then is the hate and vitriol is very real. The world has changed. Or, maybe it was always real and we just stopped pretending.
> Being calm about this bullshit has never worked. You mongrels never stop yourself from doubling down on the bratty shit you've done.:333
> There's ultimately a limit to stopping people from breeding, so I bet this only makes you rush to that point.idk I get bred all the time lol
> That's funny. I'm betting that's a metaphor for poking your victims with estrogen-filled syringes.ngl that's kinda funny I don't have a comeback for that one
> Well too bad I'd rather not wanna associate with pinkpilled jannies, or become one of them god forbid.It's fucking hilarious to imagine hujle being pinkpilled lol. I'm not actually sure if any of the jannies
are trans, I just took everyone who applied and told them what to do. They mostly handled the CP spam but I killed 90% of that with a custom vichan mod the other week.
Anyway it kinda seems like you don't wanna be here anymore, and I'm afraid you have embarked on a quixotic quest to return the site to some perceived better days. But those days are gone. Shit's just not funny anymore, not when y'all are actually backing real plans in real life to make me and my kind disappear from this world. People like you make us actually terrified to be here because we know what you actually stand for. But I haven't asked for much, just for the users here to not be complete asswipes to each other, and for trans conversation to literally be confined to a single thread. Shouldn't you be happy about that?
If being who you really are means going out of your way to make other people feel bad, maybe you should be looking inward at that instead of distracting yourself from your own self-growth by projecting your despair and self-hatred outward onto other people who just want to have a good time.
No.8407
>>8403This is not a free speech extremism website, go to bird site for that. This is a walking simulator forum.
There is hopefully not a single trans metaphor in my statements. You fucked around and found out.
I would not stop anybody from legally breeding or even suggest that they should hurt themselves in any way. Thus I am not to prescribe others medical treatments or not. I am not a doctor and neither are you. That's their whole job. In addition, are you blind to the fact that much of the movement is purely social and doesn't involve the medicinal fields at all?
No.8408
At some point these tards should just have their replies wiped, it's shitting up the thread, and /hikki/ as a whole. If that causes "controversy", fuck it, they will bitch and moan either way. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Now onto the real shit…
How can so many people (at least, people I went to HS with) come out to their parents after like a week of knowing? Most of the time it goes well, but you can never be too sure. With me it's 50/50 chance of acceptance/disownment, and I do not like to take chances, especially knowing that something like this could absolutely fuck up your life if you don't have a safety net to fall back on.
Personally, I'll try and hold out until I can actually hold down a place to live, or at least perma-crash at someone else's. Unfortuntately a job is almost certainly required. Fuuuggg. It's tough but… what can ya do.
No.8409
>>8408
> At some point these tards should just have their replies wiped, it's shitting up the thread, and /hikki/ as a whole.I agree. It felt cathartic to argue with that guy for a bit, but ultimately it was a distraction from what I want the thread to be. We'll start deleting posts like that in this thread going forward.
> How can so many people (at least, people I went to HS with) come out to their parents after like a week of knowing? Most of the time it goes well, but you can never be too sure. With me it's 50/50 chance of acceptance/disownment, and I do not like to take chances, especially knowing that something like this could absolutely fuck up your life if you don't have a safety net to fall back on.> Personally, I'll try and hold out until I can actually hold down a place to live, or at least perma-crash at someone else's. Unfortuntately a job is almost certainly required. Fuuuggg. It's tough but… what can ya do.There's a bit to unpack here. Firstly, trans people often know for a long time before they tell anyone. So it might seem like it happened suddenly and then they are telling their parents right away, but more likely they had been mulling over it for a long time, and finally found the power inside themselves to live it outwardly.
I think that sometimes when someone has not been living as their true self for a long time, when they finally embrace it, becoming themselves is more important to them than even feeling safe in their own home or having a clear future. It depends on the person, and how much they have been suffering by holding it in or denying it to themselves all this time.
For me personally, I had been living on my own for some years before I figured it out, and even then I was terrified to tell my parents. I told my mom first, I thought she would take it well and she really did. My dad didn't react badly but he seems like he tries not to think about it too much. (He lives far away so I haven't seen him in years though.)
I was lucky to be surrounded by supportive people as I figured myself out; coming out to my own social circles was easy. I definitely waited a while to start dropping hints on my imageboards though because I knew it could be a mess. It's harder for me to speculate about the people who had to come out in hostile environments, but many of my friends were that way.
No.8410
>>8408i don't know about you, but for me being true to myself was far more importnat to me than anything else. i didn't have anything to live for at the time anyway so i figured if they kicked me out i'd just kill myself and that'd be the end of it.
that being said, it's not like i came out right after realizing it either. i first knew when i was 10 or 11 and i didn't come out to my parents til i was 15.
it's not like they reacted particularly well or poorly though, they didn't believe me at all. i wasn't able to start transitioning til i was an adult.
my biggest regret, honestly, is not telling them earlier. i don't think it would have changed anything at the time, but maybe they'd believe me now.
No.8420
>>8376yo thanks for this thread sei
whatever the hell's been happening here is dumb and fucking cringeworthy, uboa was never 4chan anyway
not that we couldn't have seen it coming, but looks like everything's alright now, people can be real irrational nowadays
better keep this thread going i guess, i hope this thread stays normal from now on
all we need is a place to talk peacefully without any danger of idiots invading
why's that so difficult?
No.8425
>>8402he was probably an edgy neet ben shapiro fan as a youth, so i reckon he browsed a lot of chans
No.8428
>>8425I cannot argue with that, which is a shame because he’s one of my favourite p5 characters.
Onto my original point, I’m actually FTM, and I’ve been thinking of going on T for a while. However, some of the effects are things I really don’t want, but I want the other effects so bad it makes it a tough decision. Doesn’t help that my entire countries going up against trans hormones at the moment so my opportunity is slipping away quickly.
So, as I said, blegh. Decisions.
No.8430
>>8428what effects are you for/against anon? let me see if i can reddit armchair therapist a little
No.8434
>>8430I mainly don’t want bottom growth, which I know is one of the first things to happen when you get on T. I’ve mentally checked myself and I’ve confirmed it’s not for any weird psychological reasons, I’m just content with everything there and things changing would probably just make me dysphoric in a different way.
However, I really want more facial hair and a deeper voice. I say ‘more’ because I actually already have an inflated level of T due to a hormonal condition, so I’ve actually grown a bit of facial hair naturally. However, because of my body, I kind of just look like shaggy in that one scene in the live action scooby doo movie where he says ‘I’ve got a chicks body!!’. Same facial hair and all.
I also want top surgery, obviously, but again I doubt that’s a possibility for me right now.
It’s just…agh, rough. I’ve never been good with decisions like this.
No.8435
>>8434I'm a different anon but I must say this…
You should do it anyway if you know that it will give you more things that you want than things you don't. The wanted changes may have a bigger effect on you than the unwanted ones and you're wasting your time wondering if it's worth it or not. Minoxidil could be a temporary solution for facial hair but there's no other way around when it comes to a deeper voice.
This goes for anyone else on the fence about it. Whether it's feminization or masculinization that you're seeking, if you have the access to hormones and you're certain that the effects of HRT are going to improve your life, quit wondering if it's worth it and just do it.
Otherwise dysphoria will only eat you away slowly until you're completely destroyed as a person, assuming that there's still anything inside of you at all. It's too late for me and literally inaccessible, but it may not be too late for many other trans anons. The people who hate us are never going to understand the feeling of watching yourself grow into something you never thought you would become or never wanted to be, and many of us don't understand the cause of the feeling until it's too late or we understand it but didn't get the support we needed.
They call us delusional when we tend to know more about human anatomy than them, they're trapped in the cage that is bioessentialism with no true understanding of their own hormones or reproductive anatomy, yet they believe we don't know the obvious — or else how would gender dysphoria manifestate? They know that many of their beliefs contradict each other but they do not care as long as they get to hate on people who are seen as less than humans.
Those are things we all know.
It's why you must stop hesitating, if you know something is going to help you feel better and closer to what makes you an individual, stop wondering and start injecting.
No.8436
>>8435I know this is really hypocritical of me to say anon, but….
>It's too late for meI don’t think it is. If you’re able to give this advice to me and say it with such heart, I think you need to hear it as well. Even if HRT is inaccessible to you (diy is always an option but I don’t know how easy it is for you), you can still live socially or even privately as who you are. It’s never too late until you quite literally stop existing. Again, super hypocritical as the guy who can’t decide if they want to start T or not, but, sometimes the best advice is the stuff you give others but not yourself.
>Minoxidil could be a temporary solution for facial hairWay ahead of you, I’ve actually been using it for a few weeks now. Not really any results yet, but, this stuff apparently needs like three months so I’m not complaining. I’ve noticed tiny changes so I’m happy.
You might’ve helped me become more firm in my choice anon. I’m still undecided, and my country reeeaallly doesn’t like hrt at the moment (waiting lists are god knows how long and i definitely can’t afford private). But I’ll at the very least start considering it more. It’s not too late for me, nor is it for any of you. As long as we exist, it’s not too late.
No.8439
>>8391>>8393So something about this, my best friend is trans, I've been on hrt before myself for almost a year, not anymore, more non-binary than trans-fem but that's neither here nor there. Point is, yes, it can effect your fertility permanently if you're taking estrogen. Less than a year and you're likely fine, I've had fertility tests since and don't have any issues. Many years on estrogen and fertility can take a long time to come back or may not come back.
My best friend started when she was 16 and has been trying to become fertile again for nearly a year now. She's taking clomid to help regain fertility after just letting T work on its own for a while. She probably will be okay, her metrics are looking better than they were some months ago, but she's outright despondent over the whole process with dysphoria.
I'm saying all this because you absolutely should sperm bank before starting HRT if you are able to. If this is prohibitive for you it's safe to start for a few months just to see how you emotionally feel but keep in mind if you really like how estrogen feels you might hate having to go off to sperm bank in the future.
I personally feel kind of cursed myself, I would rather be on e and feel way better on e but I value my fertility too much unfortunately. It's either I feel depressed about one thing or I feel depressed about another.
Also to anyone here taking HRT please try estrogen monotherapy first! You might not need and androgen blocker and if you do you probably don't need such a high dosage. Everyone needs some testosterone in their bodies and when dumb endocrinologists nuke your T levels to zero with a high dose of spironolactone or something it can make you feel very weird, depressive, dissociative, etc.
I took spiro + e for a few months and felt like utter shit the entire time and had blunted emotional affect. When I switched to estrogen monotherapy I felt amazing and more like myself than ever really, and became very in touch with my emotions. Estrogen alone in high enough levels will regulate your T without destroying it completely. Ideally you want your T levels to be what a cis-women's healthy levels would be to get good results, not just physically, but also emotionally, in my experience
Some people do well with high-dose androgen blockers and it's not impossible that a small dose might be beneficial. But I've met more people that don't do well with them and some doctors can be really clueless about slowly ramping up dosage or trying monotherapy alone first.
No.8440
>>8439>>8391>>8393to add to what you said about monotherapy and testosterone!
low t levels can actually be extremely dangerous! the average cisgender woman has between 20 and 40 ng/dl of testosterone naturally in their body. this is a necessary baseline to function properly, as testosterone isn't just a sex hormone, it's an intermediary hormone that helps regulate many of your body's normal functions. having a t level that's too low can actually be physically dangerous for you! anecdotally, my hormone provider had me on a fairly high blocker dose (100mg spiro/day), and when i went to go start prog they didn't cut my blocker dose at all. as a result, my t dipped to extremely low levels and i became severely anemic, causing me to nearly have a heart attack. generally speaking, the lower limit for what is safe in regards to t levels is 10 ng/dl. mine was around 4.
i'm currently still not on prog, but my spiro dose has been lowered to 25mg/day. while there are some negative side effects, such as a dramatic increase to my body/facial hair growth and much worse acne outbreaks, on the whole i feel much better and my anemia is completely gone. in a couple weeks, i'm going to try to get back on the progesterone.
No.8441
>>8439ah got it, so it can permanently sterilise you in… some cases? are there any specific studies?
No.8442
>>8441I'm
>>8439It's a medical unknown right now I think. Some people have HRT for over a decade and regain fertility or even remain fertile while on HRT while others have lost their fertility seemingly permanently after only a few years. Researchers haven't effectively studied this enough to clear answers yet.
Part of the paperwork I signed to get HRT was acknowledging potential permanent fertility effects but it generally takes over a year for that risk to be present. The wording was, "There is a risk you may lose fertility permanently undergoing HRT treatment."
You can read about the effects of various treatments here, including more experimental stuff.
https://transfemscience.org/articles/transfem-intro/
>Estrogens, progestogens, and androgens also have antigonadotropic effects. That is, they inhibit the gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH)-induced secretion of the gonadotropins, luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), from the pituitary gland in the brain. The gonadotropins signal the gonads to make sex hormones and to supply the sperm and egg cells necessary for fertility. Hence, lower levels of the gonadotropins will result in reduced gonadal sex hormone production and diminished fertility. If gonadotropin levels are sufficiently suppressed, the gonads will no longer make sex hormones at all and fertility will cease. The vast majorities of the quantities of estradiol, testosterone, and progesterone in the body are produced by the gonads. Most of the small remaining amounts of these hormones are produced via the adrenal glands of the kidneys. No.8443
>>8442ah got it. not like im going to be some nordic patriarch, sleeping around with my 12 stolen wives and 30 children, so fertility banking is fine. just curious. Thanks for the study
No.8446
>>8445based department? what discord server's reeking uterus birthed you faggot
No.8447
>>8445My last resort got v&, so I'm still trying to figure out a way
No.8449
>>8445Eternal September frogposters go back. This really shows me the people complaining about this thread weren’t even on this site a decade ago.
No.8452
Why not make a new board or something? I really don't understand what this topic has to do with this board.
No.8455
>>8452They're really presuming trans folks to be unemployed, huh
No.8456
>>8452probs cause there were a few off topic posts about trans stuff that got derailed, specifically in hikki. they also tried an lgbt board a few years ago in 2021, but it went as well as you would expect
No.8459
>>8452A board might eventually make more sense. Last time I tried that the backlash was so swift and impressive that I rolled it back the same day. But, maybe I should have stood my ground at that time. I didn't have the same resolve about a lot of things back then that I do now, so I was pushed over easily.
Right now I am seeing if the mod staff can handle keeping a single thread alive for an extended period, before I consider a huge undertaking like that. We might even need additional staff in order to maintain an entire controversial (ugh) board against raiders and shitposters. It's placed here because /hikki/ is where trans topics were coming up most often.
So yeah it will be a while before I think about it.
No.8463
I moved into a new apartment and one of the people I have to share with is trans. I'm a mentally ill hikineet with no social skills and I'm scared of trans people even though I've never really known one. She bumped into me by accident in the kitchen 3 days ago and I freaked out. I don't like people physically touching me but she probably took it as an anti-trans thing. I said some hurtful things. I've noticed her presence has been stressing me out and I've been behaving more erratically. Like how cats act out when they are feeling anxious. I feel really guilty about it. Like I'm making her life worse. Its impolite and it must suck dealing with hostilty out there. I don't mean to attack her or anything and I want us to be nice to each other and get along so she feels comfy. Should I apologize or minimize the damage by just avoiding her? What's the best way to apologize without accidentally offending her? I'm worried I'll say something stupid. Is it possible I'm actually attracted to her? Do you think she can tell?
Also if I'm a traditionalist who's generally anti-LGBT is this violation of site rules? Am I okay to post unrelated stuff here? Do you consider not liking trans people to be transphobia? As in "I don't personally agree with these people but I don't hate them or anything." Just curious. I've zero interest in political discussions or attacking trans people for no reason.
No.8464
>>8463if you're pragmatic and just apologise in a direct way she should be alright.
No.8465
>>8463Eh, you should be fine. Most people don't like trans-folk generally. Just do what everyone else is doing, be passive and wait for the reckoning.
No.8466
>>8463Maybe apologizing and then telling a half-truth could work. Something around the lines of saying you are stressed because you aren't used to socializing with a roommate yet and that you freaked out the other day because you greatly dislike physical contact in general.
No.8467
>>8463Since you two would have to live together for prolonged period of time, I think it's the best to explain and apologize. I'm sure that trans folk of yours is as
mentally ill as you are and you two might be able to find a common language.
> Also if I'm a traditionalist who's generally anti-LGBT is this violation of site rules?Only if you're gonna display it in an aggressive manner. Believe it or not, I'm not too fond on gay people myself, but as long as they're not trying to lecture me with their $30 haircut - I'm cool with them.
No.8468
>>8463What do you mean you "said some hurtful things"?
No.8469
im not trans, but my gf is. so i consider myself an ally.
No.8470
>>8467I never understood the '30$ haircut' thing, is 30 dollars for a haircut considered comically little in America?
No.8471
>>8465>be passive and wait for the reckoning.WHAAA what are you people planning?! The revolution is gonna come from Uboa?
>>8468>What do you mean you "said some hurtful things"?I don't remember exactly. Schizo babble. I ramble incoherent thoughts when I'm upset. I screamed some random shit at her. I do remember saying "I won't let you people fuck mw." Stuff like that.
>>8459Your site Sei but I don't get why this thread is pinned.
No.8472
>>8471>The revolution is gonna come from Uboa?Yes. We are coming for you and your grandmother's dinner.
>why this thread is pinned.People kept derailing other threads. The pin is here to prevent further chaos. Which is weird considering sei's obsessions with the chaotic and mysterious.
No.8474
>>8471>I won't let you people fuck meYeah, sounds like sexual repression, maybe Sei can help you deal with it? ;)
No.8475
>>8471My friend the “I won’t let you people fuck me” comment is some kind of repressed thing for sure, and you saying, “is it possible I’m actually attracted to her?” People who aren’t attracted to trans people don’t say stuff like that. That said I don’t think you should try to bone your roommate. But you should totally take this as an opportunity to get better social skills and maybe make a friend. A lot of trans folk are super autistic and super online you might have more in common than you think.
Go apologize, not in a schizo way just a simple, “i’m sorry for freaking out I really don’t like being touched but i’ll try not scream again.” If you can’t do that in person leave a letter at her door. Maybe a few days or weeks later strike up a conversation.
I promise you trans folk are people like any other people. Whatever internet demons your afraid of try to let them go at least with people actually living with you.
No.8476
Sex with Sei!
No.8477
I slipped a note under her door apologizing. Its probably not as polite but a safer way of doing things and way less stressful. I kept it short and simple "I'm sorry for what I said and I want to apologize for hurting your feelings" etc I hope that's acceptable to humans.
>>8475>My friend the “I won’t let you people fuck me” comment is some kind of repressed thing for sure, and you saying, “is it possible I’m actually attracted to her?” People who aren’t attracted to trans people don’t say stuff like that. I say that kind of stuff a lot though. The rest of it was drooling incoherent schizobabble. And "am I attracted to this person" is a recurring anxious obsession of mine. I'm so paranoid I'm paranoid about myself. Probably not attracted since I hate sex. But sometimes when I'm interested in a person I tend to want to say a lot of stuff to them and I get stressed out and just ramble schizo shit to them. By interest I mean like when your landlord installs a new vent in the hallway and you spend hours inspecting it, leaving, goimg back to inspect it, worrying about what it means or why its there or why its shaped that way or if its hiding something. Like there's some hidden truth I just need to discover when its just new fucking vent cover. That kind of schizo interest/fear/curiousity/OMG I'm gonna fucking die if I don't keep looking at this terror. Like a braindamaged puppy that can't think straight. I guess I could be interested in her in that kind of way. Idk what I'm saying anymore. I need help.
I guess I'll just avoid them for a while and learn to calm down. Just learn to get used to them.
No.8480
>>8477Have you tried recreational drug usage? Even if it's just placebo, I've found that the idea of "If I take this drug, it makes me normal for a bit" works well.
No.8481
>>8480Let's just not recommend using drugs here.
No.8483
Because of where I live, the waiting times are insane, so I just live as I am. It's getting pretty tough to do things like take a shower, and because I'm hikki, I have no support… I'm not very social, so imageboards are ideal. It's nice having a place to discuss these issues that isn't full of derailing.
>>8434Anonymous, I have a similar problem to you, with the hormonal issue. For that reason I'm worried about facial hair growth on testosterone. I think we will both cross the bridge when we get close to it.
No.8484
>>8478Wait, isn't that normal behavior for when you are in a stressful situation?
No.8487
>>8483Do we have the same hormonal issue by any chance? I have Hyperandrogenism due to PCOS, which causes hirsutism. My inflated level of T actually makes me question what’ll happen if I do go on T, since that’s just even more on top of what I already have. If it’ll have any negative affect on me, what all the extra T will do, etc.
(Just gonna keep using Aoi to identify myself. she’s cute)
No.8494
>>8478I'm schizophrenic.
>>8480Bad idea for schizos.
No.8517
>>8514It's never too late to stop taking that stuff and return to your old life
No.8521
>>8517Can you read? They said they didn't have access currently
No.8524
I know
>>8522 is not really trying to help but if anyone seriously needs to diy, htrgen on 4/lgbt/ has good resources. Don't stay on that board any longer than you have to though.
No.8525
>>8523>closeted non-binary i feel like a mix of both gendersDon't mean to be rude, but what does this even mean?
>>8524Not trans but I am mentally ill and have paranoid obsessions about my own body. I go on that board because its the only place I can vent without being called a schizo. The trannies think I'm one of them. I know I shouldn't use it or camp out on boards for other groups, but where else am I supposed to go?
Maybe it would be better to copy those links and sticky them here so nobody has to brave the AIDS infested waters of 4chuds?
No.8535
>>8534>>8400 and all of the other Aoi posts anon here.
Nice to see another transmasc! I’m really happy for you!! I’m still thinking of hrt, but I hope to be as happy as you are when I make my decision.
Rough to hear about your family though. If I can spare a shared sentiment rather than advice, I have a somewhat distant family who was all kinds of…interesting about trans people. So when I transitioned, I stayed away from her as much as I could. However, I think word got back to her on my transition because she sent me a birthday card with my current name on it, and even complimented it in the card. So, if it’s any comfort, there could still be room to change!
I wish you good luck in your transition!!!
No.8546
>>8534> my relationship with my mother has been strained following coming out and discussing HRT Imagine you had a child. Imagine the pain of childbirth, the difficulty of raising this life, bringing up the daughter you’ve always wanted, only for your child to turn around and tell you that they don’t want to be your daughter. That’s devastating. I know people these days are suckers for “autonomy” and “individuality” and doing their own thing, but remember a mother gets her sense of self, the meaning of her life, from her child and now that child doesn’t want to be the thing she raised. It’s an existential injury. You might not mean it that way but that’s how she could be interpreting it. “My daughter doesn’t want to be my daughter anymore. I’m a bad mother.” That cuts deep. With time she may heal, but there’s a chance she never will even if she comes to accept you which I hope she does.
>i find she is very misinformed and prejudiced about people like meDon’t think prejudice stems from misinformation. Familiarity can breed hate. America is a country that is extremely nationalist, genocidal, and intolerant of diversity, yet this very country has dedicated whole academic departments to every known human culture and pumps out DEI training. You could inform her, but there’s a chance she won’t like what she finds and will hate you more. In some ways, not knowing the details is better. You know, once upon a time, individuals like yourself were more likely to be accepted in conservative communities. Why? Because such societies had a “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck” attitude and didn’t care about particulars or knowing the details. “Trans? Don’t know, don’t care, not my business.” Sometimes ignorance is bliss and there’s a chance trying to correct her views or inform her will only backfire, especially if she’s still emotionally torn up about it.
No.8548
>>8535really pleased to connect with you here!
it seems distance is the best option for us at the moment… i moved away a little bit before covid to live with my partner on the other side of the country and our connection has been pretty strenuous since, even before i decided to be honest with her about myself.
i'm really pleased she sent you that card though and i can only hope i experience something similar when she realises i'm becoming who i've always wanted to be! wishing you all the best as well, and whether or not you pursue HRT i hope you'll never stop proudly being yourself.
totono has been on my vn backlog for a long time and you've really put my mind back on it!
>>8546i acknowledge that this is difficult for her as a parent and i've been nothing but considerate of her sensitivities and feelings when discussing my identity with her, but to interpret your child making their own choices as they near 30 years old as a personal attack on you and regarding them still as a mere extension of your womb is, to put it harshly, self-centred. you can't control how others feel, i can't stop her from feeling like she "failed" as a parent, and she has decided to make her politically charged aggression informed by youtube shorts my responsibility, which i find unfair when i never wanted her understanding or acceptance, just for her to be aware; my feeling hurt has just been an unexpected sideeffect i'm pretty mad at myself for!
it doesn't help that her rebuff of sharing what's happening in my life comes after an argument earlier this year in which she implored me to share anything and everything with her, which i foolishly took her up on. as a result i've become more closed off than ever from her, because she's shown me i cannot be myself like she desperately wants. our conversations stick to work or hobby matters now, if at all.
i also disagree with your idea that motherhood becomes a person's sole sense of self/meaning of life and find it derogatory towards mothers. they can and do find happiness outside of their children, and my mother is capable of that too. i saw it happen in my teens!
finally, i'm australian. i'm unfamiliar with and don't understand the amerisphere and am socially informed by a different society to yours.
No.8552
>>8546It's very funny that someone on the NEET board should be insinuating someone has made their parents feel like a failure
No.8555
>>8434FtM dude here. The bottom growth happens, yes, but it is not really THAT notorious, unless you use some tools to make it grow more big, if you go on T, you may notice it is a little bigger than it used to be, but In my own experience, it doesn´t grow bigger and it is not really that noticeable unless you really look closely.
It may be your own body funky shit on how it reacts to T, but i could promise that you wouldn't sound like Shaggy, being on T is like being back into puberty, but hey, it feels nice to feel comfortable in my own body. My friends have told me my voice has changed and i sound just like a normal guy.
Wishing you the best, bro.
No.8557
>>8385You're a NEET who is trying to punch down on other people. I'm not even trans, but to be honest, when you're neet/hikki you have the lowest status in society, so you can't afford to judge other people to this extent. The least you can do is act like a decent person.
No.8559
>>8548Just to be clear, I'm not attacking or blaming you. Just trying to point out how someone else might be interpreting/misinterpreting your actions.
Human beings are not atoms as Westerners like to think. We are our relationships. We are defined by our relationship to other people and we naturally want to perfect them. Usually, a husband wants to be a good husband, a mother wants to be a good mother etc. in each case, that's measured by the happiness and fufillment of the person on the other end of the relationship. A mother who has a daughter wants to raise a good daughter, takes pride in having a daughter, and derives meaning from that mother-daughter relationship among other things. If the daughter then comes out as trans, that psychologically throws off the parent. "Like what, I'm not a good mom? She doesn't want to be my daughter now? What happened to my little girl? I fucked up. I raised her wrong" etc. I know Westerners have this attitude of "well I'm an individual so mind your own business" which explains why their society is so fucked up and degenerate but we aren't individuals. We're extremely co-dependent and even things that are well meaning or totally justified can be hurtful to others.
You trying to share could come off as gloating or rejection to her. Other people may not understand your well meaning actions. Demanding acceptance from her is hurting her. It must be a lot to take in for her. Give her time. Think about how complicated it was for you to come to terms with yourself. Right now she might be going through something simmilar.
In a situtation like this, you have to give your mother time to come to terms with it and let her know you'll always be hers. Reassure her that you love her, that she didn't fuck up and be careful about how she might misread your behavior. Don't push her away or ignore her feelings, even if they are hurtful. Its best if you reconcile with her but that's going to take time and care and its not going to be easy.
Anayway most of this is just dumb speculation so feel free to reject it but there are my two cents.
No.8560
>>8559Intentionally repressing something so vital about yourself to make your mother happy doesn't sound very cohesive to bonding (i.e., avoiding atomization).
Also your theoretical Mom sounds so fucking sensitive, holy shit. In a slightly different reality she'd be chimping out over her daughter choosing a job different from the one she envisioned her having.
This person is also not demanding acceptance… he literally said that he'd become more closed off from his Mom since their argument, implying he IS giving her space.
No.8562
girls have you been…
>consistently on hormones
>keeping track of levels
>doing self care to minimize blemishes
>learning makeup
>voice training
>wearing new clothes in public
>passing to strangers
>keeping up with feminism
>dating men
>dating women
>dressing according to your age (or gracefully)
>saving up for surgery
No.8563
>>8562never have never will
No.8573
>>8572Agreed, anon. This isn't really a train board. Maybe the LGBT board would be a good idea? Then again, if it ended up being most of the traffic that'd change the culture pretty severely too.
No.8578
>>8573An LGBT board is a bad idea. Those morons fight and argue and spam their foolish opinions and political garbage causing mental pain for all their neighbors. I could see a standalone trans board but why create a new board on such a slow site? This thread shouldn't be pinned and it should probably be on some other board anyway because its not like all trans are unproductive. Should probably have some resources in the OP too.
You know boards are boring. I want a hentai button and whenever you click on it then it randomly fucks up the site CSS into some disgusting hallucinogenic mess while playing the most depraved erotic sounds. How about that? Sadly Sei is the shogun of this site so I must protest the lack of a hentai button by committing Hara-kiri in protest.
>>8379Why can't trans have an interesting agenda? Take over and destroy the family? Pah! The gays and Christians already did that. Destroy civilization? We're already working on that stop stealing! You should try to blow up Mars or send a rocket to the Moon and paint the trans flag on it. When will we get the first trans cruise missile? What about a Moon base or some giant mech with a big fuck you cannon? Your lack of resolve disappoints me.
I'm gonna go stare at the sun right now goodbye.
No.8594
I didn't know where to post this, but is it strange that I'm generally hostile to LGBT stuff but not really that hostile to trans people? Gay guys really annoy me. I don't like being around them and hate them but I don't feel bothered being around trans people. They just seem ordinary to me like any regular person. What explains this behavior?
No.8600
>>8562Yes to all of them except dating women and saving up for surgery (I've had the ones that I want to).
Do I get a trophy?
No.8609
>>8572I don't see a reason why trans people should be actively discouraged from posting here.
No.8610
>>8609I'm not that anon but that's not what they said.
Everyone who identifies as a group identity, trans, christians, blacks, jews, commies, WILL be shit on if they post on the anonymous imageboard cyberspace.
Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned".
On the other hand, balancing group identity discussion is next to impossible in IBs, going to any solutions risk you becoming a toxic hugbox or a toxic fightbox, there is no in between.
So my personal moderation option would be to just do nothing, because honestly I don't see much has changed in terms of anti-trans posters, they're still there occassionally, when they are not, they are doing something else, entertained shitting on trans on other site, or too bored to even bother, because bans on imageboards don't really do anything due to your identity not really tied to anything else, like, in facebook or reddit at least you have to burn an email to avoid bans.
tl;dr shit if you do, shit if you don't
No.8611
>>8610>Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned"This. Being prohibited to say anything even remotely against certain groups is getting worse by the day.
Modern Galileo type of situation
No.8612
>>8610This is just not true. You don't get dogpiled for saying you're autistic, or schizophrenic, we're on a damn NEET board for god's sake, you sure don't get dogpiled for being a NEET. This place doesn't have a race problem because people saying "kill all ninjas" get banned. Group identity itself has never been the problem, it has always been specific group identities.
I'm sad about how this thread turned out. If this were my site I would ban every 4channer and every redditor (or maybe 4channer pretending to be a redditor), delete all their posts, move any remaining meta discussion to a bump locked /sugg/ thread and add "No meta" to the op, but then again I'm not experienced in handling communities so I don't know exactly the repercussions my iron fist would have.
No.8614
>>8611You can say almost whatever you want involving these groups. For example, I can say that I am not a fan of people attempting to adjust existing sex-separated toilets to cater to them and failing miserably by making under-equipped "all-sex", blatantly creepy "sex-divergent" toilets or ones with almost no privacy. This forced pretend inclusiveness usually only makes the experience more awkward for everybody.
And there is a good chance I won't get banned.
The difference is that I am not trying to generalize a group based on a few rotten apples and my existing biases and thus apply collective responsibility, dear anon. I am criticizing particular people for their particular actions.
PS: On the topic of toiler humor, I consider sex-separated toilets a yet another English-lander invention literally everybody would have been happier without.
No.8616
>>8615>It only natural for him to protect a group of people he belongs toI too, am part of a niche that revolves around a certain fetish. But that's where it ends. Most people would just jack off and call it a day. If there's any communities discussing the fetish, it's all casual "last thing you've fapped to" stuff. Nothing that makes us treat it like a part of our identity, nothing to convert others into liking it, nothing to seethe about when someone makes fun of it online, or cause a chaotic real life situation.
This shit's different. People nowadays think it's 100% part of their identity, are trying to convert confused people, throw tantrums when anyone says a remotely negative little thing, online or real life. But hey, Amazon says it's valid and good.
No.8617
>>8616Perhaps because becoming transgender involves making changes to a person's identity? I'm not a trans myself, so whatever I say is nothing but theory crafting, but if a male wants to become a female - they gotta identify themselves as a female, right? Act like a female, talk like a female, trying their best to look like a female, etc. Transitioning from one sex to another brings changes to a person's identity, therefore becomes a part of identity.
Having a fetish doesn't change the one's identity. You're still the same individual as you were before obtaining that fetish, you just jerk off to what makes you aroused the most.
But yeah, confused people must seek therapy instead of listening to retards from anonymous imageboards, and some trans folks must get some chill in their life, I agree with that.
No.8618
>>8617Aoi anon back with a vengeance lol
As a trans person I can make this call, and I say this sentiment is both pretty correct and doesn’t capture the whole story.
See, changing identity is a bit of a reductive summary. It’s more along the lines of ‘becoming what you always were’. A trans woman was always a woman, but she couldn’t come into that identity until she realized that’s who she was. Similar with me, I was raised a girl, but I was always non binary and when I started transitioning, i came more into that true identity. It just looked like a change of identity to people on the outside.
(Though, I will say, I can’t speak for all trans people. This is just what I’ve observed in both myself and who’s around me)
Fetishes, on the other hand, aren’t a part of identity. They can be if you’re more into the s&m scene (which is fair enough, I know some people in those circles), but they’re not as fundamental a part of you as your gender identity. I can say this because I have some odd fetishes myself, and they’re not a focal part of me like my transness is. It’s just a thing I have.
But again, you know, I can’t speak for everyone.
No.8619
>>8617>Perhaps because becoming transgender involves making changes to a person's identity?The whole idea of being a tranny stems from autogynephilia - a fetish in which men idolize feminine traits, and attempt to become feminine themselves. A man's attraction to femininity is a perfectly natural thing. Hell, I'd even say that casual thoughts of imagining oneself as a woman isn't inherently a bad thing. A lot of people I know, myself included, were kinda into that fantasy for a while in middle school. Nothing's wrong with just imagining something.
Trying to adopt feminine traits though, is not even worth ignoring the absurdity, no matter how woke today's culture has become.
>Transitioning from one sex to anotherDid chromosome change become a thing? Humans aren't able to change what they were born with between their legs. Even the manufacturing issues, or "intersex" can be explained with ease, Klinefelter's syndrome for example.
Maybe you meant to say gender, but that's a term popularized by the crazy doctor doing unspeakable things to two boys.
>But yeah, confused people must seek therapy instead of listening to retards from anonymous imageboardsDouble meaning there. If therapy was more socially accepted, this thread wouldn't exist. And if retards online weren't able to fool millions of impressionable people, this thread wouldn't exist either.
No.8620
>>8616>>8619I'm aware that trying to change people's minds on highly politicized issues is pointless, but bullshit going uncontested is how it infects neutral minds, so I'll say my piece and leave.
Gender dysphoria is NOT fetishistic. It is pain. When a fetishist transitions that is what we call "a bad decision". Tragically, those treating their life of pain and those looking to get railed in heels are now known under the same name, but until gender dysphoric people started to become just accepted enough that fetishists could co-opt them, the former was what "transgender" meant. So if you want to use language that illucidates the truth rather than hides it, you can acknowledge these two categories and call the first one trans, rather than continue with this embarrasingly retarded notion that an action must always have the same motivation.
If you need an example, I have had gender dysphoria since I was a kid. My body's and persona's masculinity has always felt disgustingly wrong and caused me many nights of writhing pain and merciful dissociation. I have a much lower sex drive than most men and never got into porn because seeing naked bodies upsets me and the things they do with them are disgusting. It's not necessary to be this sexless in order to be trans, but it makes me a good counterexample to this falsehood.
As for the amazon thing, I don't know why neoliberalism or whatever you'd call it happens, but it's hardly our fault and a lot of us aren't very happy about it.
Maybe you won't believe me because you have a crossdressing fetish and can't imagine any motivation to transition other than that. If that is the case, you must expand your willingness to understand humanity outside what you are capable of experiencing, otherwise you have no right to speak about other people. This might be scary because you will realise your theory of mind is incomplete and that you don't really know what is going on behind someone's eyes, but it is the only way if you're interested in the truth.
No.8622
>>8620>trying to change people's minds on highly politicized issuesThis ain't a political issue. No matter what the government says about pride, rights, lefts or whatever else they'll come up with next, dysphoria is purely psychological. It's an issue that modern doctors will refuse to solve the right way.
Identity crises can always be treated with no harm or ill intent to the patient, but I guess convincing oneself into being something completely different is woke and prog.
>So if you want to use language that illucidates the truth rather than hides itIf we're really going into semantics, then let's deconstruct the word "fetish". Ignoring its origins in spirituality and superstition, it's an "excessive fixation or devotion to particular thoughts and ideas".
Even if the word is associated with sexual interests nowadays, its general meaning doesn't have roots in sexuality at all. So one could say that it's accurate to consider dysphoria fetishistic, since it's a pretty clear example of the general definition.
>My body's and persona's masculinity has always felt disgustingly wrong>I have a much lower sex drive than most men>seeing naked bodies upsets me and the things they do with them are disgustingSounds a lot like a hormonal imbalance of sorts. The inability to be attracted to sex isn't what a healthy person could experience, so maybe you should try introducing more healthy habits into your life. Being unfaithful to one's intended role as a reproductive species means there's clearly something wrong with one's lifestyle.
>Maybe you won't believe me because you have a crossdressing fetish and can't imagine any motivation to transition other than thatI don't think my posts were supposed to imply that I have a thing for crossdressing. Fantasies from middle school and the current stuff I'm into aren't connected in any way, and even less so related to crossdressing and trannies.
>you must expand your willingness to understand humanity outside what you are capable of experiencingHumanity has been completely ruined by the modern world. Our animalistic roots were ignored by a more comfortable, and resulted in a less fulfilling life full of imbalance and disease.
The modern way of living simply isn't what we were made for, and it's pretty much impossible to avoid unless you flee in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere.
>it is the only way if you're interested in the truthLet's be real, the truth is definitely not taking some pills and think it'll make you feel better
No.8623
I was going to make a genuine thread elsewhere on the site, but I came across this in recent and I have lost all motivation to contribute. Good job.
No.8624
>>8622>Identity crises can always be treated with no harm or ill intent to the patientyou have described the concept of transition, congratulations.
>If we're really going into semantics, then let's deconstruct the word "fetish". Ignoring its origins in spirituality and superstition, it's an "excessive fixation or devotion to particular thoughts and ideas".Even if the word is associated with sexual interests nowadays, its general meaning doesn't have roots in sexuality at all. So one could say that it's accurate to consider dysphoria fetishistic, since it's a pretty clear example of the general definition.
let's not be disingenuous here. everyone knows exactly what people mean when they say "it's a fetish". in trying to be such a pedant, you've made a point that says nothing at all.
>Being unfaithful to one's intended role as a reproductive species means there's clearly something wrong with one's lifestyle.this is a weird argument to attempt to make in most any context, imo. in your reply, it not only serves little than to highlight the trolling nature of your post (how many in /hikki/ can say they've had sex in the past year or more, nevermind having ever had sex to procreate; and how many can genuinely say they wish to procreate whilst being part of a demographic with so much pornography addiction and hentai viewers), it further makes your last point null: you can't claim transgender issues is inherently "fetishistic", no matter what silly definition you're going to try to push in your reply, and then try to argue that some people's lack of comfortableness with or drive towards sex is strange. unless you want your views to be called inherently fetishistic, too?
>Let's be real, the truth is definitely not taking some pills and think it'll make you feel betterand neither is the truth anywhere in your posts, but no one is telling you to stop
>>8623weird way to out yourself as a li'l snowflake, but okay
No.8625
>>8620Just for clarity
>>8624 is not me, I am holding back counterarguments in the hope that this shit dies.
>>8623Sorry anon.
No.8626
>>8624>you have described the concept of transition, congratulations.Transition doesn't treat identity crisis. By propagating the idea of transition, the patient is only fooled into thinking that some pills can somehow change them into something their bodies were clearly never designated to be. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a child's thinking that they really are a superhero or pirate. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a man to become more feminine, because the said man claims he doesn't feel masculine and it makes him wanna die.
>you've made a point that says nothing at allIt's the act of obsessing over an insane concept. A concept that lives in one's head rent-free, it won't leave their heads until they end up the way they wanted to, which turns into bragging and desperately seeking validation.
Last few decades have been degrading for language anyway. Words are now being butchered and mangled in favor of a simple and shallow meaning.
>how many in /hikki/ can say they've had sex in the past year or more, nevermind having ever had sex to procreateBeing hikki means that we're at one of the bottom ends of society. Our natural instincts and impulses clash with people's natural need to interact with each other, without the rules that have been imposed to "control the chaos".
>and how many can genuinely say they wish to procreate whilst being part of a demographic with so much pornography addiction and hentai viewersYou might not accept it, but we all wanna fuck and make healthy kids. It's the bullshit of the modern world says "NO" and makes us think that way. The simple answer is buried under the midden of rules, classes, social hierarchy, and millions of other bullshit reasons. The ability to satisfy those urges by oneself is a curse, and is to blame for so many sex-related issues, down to simple fetishes.
>you can't claim transgender issues is inherently "fetishistic", no matter what silly definition you're going to try to push in your reply, and then try to argue that some people's lack of comfortableness with or drive towards sex is strange. unless you want your views to be called inherently fetishistic, too?Then why the dude's obsession? Why would someone go through a process of doing irreversible damage to the body, just to live an unrealistic and regrettable fantasy? What purpose is there to fulfill, if there's nothing but a strong desire to live a fantasy? I can only think of one word
And what's there to be fetishistic about my views? There's a bunch of people more obsessed with their hatred. I'm not the type to put in the effort of documenting every single thing that some tranny has done, and upload it on Kiwi Farms or whatever. Those people are doing an amazing job of proving their points, despite the obsession. Might as well thank them for all the work.
No.8627
>>8626>No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a child's thinking that they really are a superhero or pirate. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a man to become more feminine, because the said man claims he doesn't feel masculine and it makes him wanna die.equating a child's (completely natural btw) tendencies to experiment with identity and desire with what an adult is expressing as a factual and treatable medical issue is weird. indeed, the natural tendency of all humans to ruminate on their current self and any internalised ideal or more comfortable/preferable self isn't something to criticise, so i find your fixation on all transitioning people to be deluded men weird.
>just to live an unrealistic and regrettable fantasyyour subjective view is quite narrow to be making a broad generalisation, my man. what someone achieved by transitioning is for them to decide, and in nearly every actual, healthcare-professional-monitored instance the result is neither unrealistic nor regrettable. what you see lurking 'chans and Kiwi Farms is the smallest sliver of internet cringe, and not representative.
your posts are full of these kinds of strange fixations. you make the classic mistake of thinking all transpeople are like Chrischan, the born-again male-to-female weirdos at the fringes of transgender issues. you're making broad strokes to cover up the fact your genuine phobia towards transgender people is based upon nothing but your distorted internet-dweller lifestyle.
i shouldn't expect any less from /hikki/, i know, but…
>>8625i didn't mean to hijack your conversation and neither do i want to continue any shit-flinging you think is going on. but for lack of extra input, anon has managed to neckbeard his way into shitting up what should be a cool thread, and i think that's disappointing.
No.8629
Smug indifference might fool other people but it won't fool me. I know of the hate that festers inside of you, eating away at your soul as each day passes by.
Its only a matter of time, really.
No.8630
>>8627>desire with what an adult is expressing as a factual and treatable medical issueIf those thoughts have stayed to adulthood, or god forbid came after puberty, they cannot be called a natural tendency anymore. It's just a twisted thought at that point.
Also, most things in the medical world are manipulated by the government, worsened by them to make our society shittier, or used as marketing to squeeze out money for le science.
"Muh medicine better now cuz it new and say trans rights", but actual advancement doesn't even happen without heavy compromise anymore. Your shrink might support you and give some pills, but that's a result of the declining standards in medicine.
The only treatment is paying a private doctor independent of political and commercial bullshit, who can easily apply a healthy treatment. But I guess none of you would ever want that, because it clashes with your rose-tinted glasses.
>the natural tendency of all humans to ruminate on their current self and any internalised ideal or more comfortable/preferable self isn't something to criticiseThe human mind is a dangerous thing. It's fairly easy to go off the deep end should you get lost in thought for too long.
It can cause a whole lot of wonderful things like, depersonalization and derealization, not to mention the questions about your own identity.
Of course hikki are affected by this, we've got so much free time to think about anything. The main problem is that people don't wanna set some clear boundaries, which wouldn't have caused you to go so far off the road.
>and in nearly every actual, healthcare-professional-monitored instance the result is neither unrealistic nor regrettableRight. You wanna be reminded of a certain percentage?
>what you see lurking 'chans and Kiwi Farms is the smallest sliver of internet cringe, and not representativeBelieve me, I tried to be open-minded before. It never worked, and was a horrible experience at all times.
>your genuine phobia towards transgender people is based upon nothing but your distorted internet-dweller lifestyleBelieve me buddy, I've talked to my parents and grandparents about this, who've been informed with the ever-changing views for decades.
They've all given a whole set of reasons I agree with, and my fellow internet-dwellers just so happen share the same opinions.
>i shouldn't expect any less from /hikki/, i know, but…It's just sad to see this board warp and mangle over time. One of the last little corners on the web has had its soul drained out completely, and I can't be the only one mad at how much worse it can keep getting.
No.8631
anti trans retards sound almost exactly like anti psychiatry retards
really makes you think…
No.8632
I'm still discovering myself, but, at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm not cisgender. I'm from a very christian household and this makes everything even harder. The existence of this thread is pretty cool! I don't know if there is a lot of transphobes around here, tho.
No.8633
>>8630Did you know that the topic of discussion is a social movement, not strictly a particular medical procedure? This discussion isn't about cutting or sewing any funny looking balls. Yet.
>most things in the medical world are manipulated by the governmentI thought that such beliefs are landlocked to America and it's PTSD of a medical system. Sad to see that isn't the case. In the majority of actually developed Europe the healthcare is actually kinda okay. Even if the mental healthcare is not awesome. But it's plausible that it's a tad worse in countries such as Serbia, Serbia or Russia.
In addition, it sounds like you want to resolve a proposed political intervention into the medical world with additional political interventions into the medical world that do not reverse the previous ones. The War on Drugs went excellently, didn't it?
>The main problem is that people don't wanna set some clear boundaries [for own thought]Wouldn't you look at it, a proposal of literal thought crimes. That also always went great.
>>8632Don't go around doxing yourself and you should be okay. Welcome to the website for an ancient walking simulator video game and its impact on the wider culture.
No.8634
>>8630>muh political trendjust stop pretending to be here to do anything but waste your own time, lol. you're talking out of your arse, and you know it. shooting down accepted medical literature and - in many places that i suspect you'd otherwise call "civilised" - actual law with the excuse of "but it's all a political movement controlling the medicinemen" is laughable.
>le suicide percentage mememaybe if transgender healthcare was given adequate funding, better proposals being ratified into medical practice and law, and easier access to support during and after transitional milestones, that percentage wouldn't exist.
then again, if transgender people didn't have to put up with people like you, that percentage would be a little lower, too.
>opinions of old irl people vs the internetthe internet is not a space solely composed of zoomies, even if they dictate much of the popular media's culture. much of the transphobia on-and-offline come from the same sources. for a multitude of reasons, younger people tend towards progressivism. what you've said is no great revelation, and only reinforces my point: you're stuck online, your opinions are influenced by what you see online, and you're letting the transgender boogeyman in your head fester online. whether the people around you offline also agree with your fear is moot.
i'm going to stop taking your b8 now. i hope any transanons from here on know that this nerd here isn't getting replied to because they're right, or because other anons fear their responses. they're just transphobic for transphobia's sake, and are not worth your time.
No.8635
>>8633>Did you know that the topic of discussion is a social movementYes, a social movement you'd do anything for to "win". Even if you're "winning" now, your chromosomes will never change. Humans aren't clownfish to change their sex out of necessity (not like transitioning is even done out of necessity in the first place).
>Even if the mental healthcare is not awesomeThere will never be a definitive solution to mental healthcare, as long as civilization exists. It's the only issue that keeps fucking us in the head. No wonder why the rise of mental illness coincides with the technological boom of mid-20th century.
>it's a tad worse in countries such as Serbia, Serbia or RussiaBecause ex-communist Slavic countries are shitholes, with a terrible environment and a culture that could collapse at any moment (former Yugoslavia especially).
>it sounds like you want to resolve a proposed political intervention into the medical world with additional political interventions into the medical world that do not reverse the previous onesAbolishing the new "woke and le cool le epic prog" rules in psychiatry with political intervention is impossible, troonon. What the opposing side thinks is irrelevant for the medical world, especially if a new idea is pushed that doesn't make sense on a biological level. Mixing up biology and politics only leads to mutilation.
>The War on Drugs went excellently, didn't it?Tranny enabling is unfortunately legal, recreational drugs rarely are. While both will fuck up your body and the brain, at least the psychiatrists wouldn't encourage your delusions.
War on drugs was a campaign that made little to no sense in the long run. Opioids, coke and weed all exist in nature, and tracking down every poppy flower or dude weed lmao is virtually impossible. Of course the protests, or annoying ads before Street Fighter didn't do anything.
Hormone pills can only be made artificially, or (if you're a maddo saientisuto so kuuru) extracting them from a living person. While the end of tranny encouraging would significantly reduce the number of victims, some sketchy folks would still make artificial pills and send them to children illegally (many such cases happening as we speak).
In the end, those would still be selling illegal drugs. 40mg of Xanax inside if you're lucky.
>a proposal of literal thought crimesIt's funny how you wanna make me sound like an Orwellian dictator by excluding the rest of my point.
Being able to resist overthinking about insane shit, making yourself insane in the process, ain't Newspeak in the slightest sense.
Nietzsche was based, but went crazy for overthinking WAY over the boundaries of what is even remotely healthy. You think it's Newspeak if he had stopped before the point of no return?
No.8636
>>8634>shooting down accepted medical literature>actual law with the excuse of "but it's all a political movement controlling the medicinemen" is laughableYou take muh accepted medical literature for granted. Do you really believe that all they say is 100% truth? You're being controlled, and all the medical world prioritizes most is those sweet, sweet Shekels.
They don't care if you need to get a home equity loan to bogpill your wife to the max, or buy ten lifetime supplies of pinkpills. They can advertise in the most convincing way possible, but the upper echelon will only be in it for the money.
>maybe if [doctors got more woke], that percentage wouldn't existNo amount of advancement could save you people from the eventually inevitable regret in the future. It would be 0% if no thoughts had ever been turned into actions
>if transgender people didn't have to put up with people like you, that percentage would be a little lower, tooIf trannies didn't ruin everything they touched, Azumanga Daioh and Lain would still be niche shows with chill fans.
>the internet is not a space solely composed of zoomies, even if they dictate much of the popular media's cultureSo? Niche corners of the Internet I used to like are getting infested by zoomzooms every day. The Internet may not solely be comprised of them, but they're a hurricane that no one can recover from. I might as well blame everything on them
>you're stuck online, your opinions are influenced by what you see onlinekek
>whether the people around you offline also agree with your fear is mootFamily and real life friends have still kept their opinion even after the media is propagating rainbow shit every day now, which they're either pissed off at or ignore entirely. And I'm sure as hell not expecting my parents or grandparents to come out.
No.8638
>>8637Why do you have a problem with lobsters being bugs
No.8642
>>8641
You're the hero this thread needed. Trannies are so blind to the truth they think this is somehow completely irrelevant to the whole tranny boom of the mid-2010's.
I hate, no I despise the WEF with a burning fashion and I hope that Schwab overdoses on synthetic meat and PUFA-enhanced bug patties and fucking dies.
No.8644
>>8642>>8643When an ideology can only exist when information (no matter how relevant or euphemistic is it may be) is being removed, then it isn't stable whatsoever. Oh well, I've said my piece. I'll be back in a month to watch more shenanigans - good luck, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8LTUmHWP0 No.8648
>>8636i come back three months later and we're already doing jq shit. wowzers
No.8651
>>8630old thing le soul new thing le soulless
No.8652
>>8644Ah, like how hitler burned medical literature relating to transsexual medicine? that omission seems to me to deem the right wing pretty unstable. Of course, you would hold that hitler was left wing. So there's only so much i can do in the face of your wall of cliches
No.8653
>>8631The bedrock of all hate movements is insecurity. If you can convince the insecure that their insecurity is caused by an outgroup, be it jews, trannies, gays, etc. you have yourself traction. But if you address the cause of the insecurity, you prove that it wasn't the outgroup that was the problem, and the movement fizzles out. So if the insecurity is caused by need for a shrink or a counselor or whatever, you would need to remove all outs to fulfilling that need so that you can keep the anger coming.
No.8654
>>8653also I have a schizo theory that another reason why they want to deny access to pinkpills is because it makes trannies easier to radicalise. bro you dont have gender dysphoria its your masculinity being undermined by the immigrants bro trust
Also you all need to stop arguing with these dumb cunts. lurkoid transphobes don't have any real arguments and they're either too retarded or too radicalised to realise that. Their hatred of trans doesn't stem from a place of reason or logic that can be argued against, it's just "these people are le different, i do not le like". if this board was around 20 years ago they would be complaining about the gays. If we stop giving these fags traction we can better use the board for actual discussion.
No.8655
>>8630>Believe me, I tried to be open-minded before. It never worked, and was a horrible experience at all times.Holy shit bro are you a fucking Dalek? Are you a powerpuff girls villain? Jesus christ
No.8656
>>8652>like how hitler burned medical literature relating to transsexual medicine?I filtered Google search results about this that were published before 2015 (aka before the woke boom). Surprise surprise, not a single thing was said about this bullshit. The only instance of trannies I could find is the mention of sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld (nice surname) and his cronies trying to advocate for alphabet rights. Not to mention (((Hirschfeld))) himself stated that the gays can only be tolerated and pitied, but never be truly accepted into society. Just like disabled people (his words). The Nahtzees demolished his establishment like everything else at the time.
>>8654>it's just "these people are le different, i do not le like"I'm also le different from le others in our le society. Some of us will always keep away from convincing ourselves into thinking we're something that we could never be, and in turn, won't walk in public wearing skirts and putting on a forced high-pitched voice to "pass off". Sanity is declining, slowly but very surely.
>>8655EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
No.8657
>>8656Lol already echoposting. doesn't take that long does it. I promise you you're not quite as shocking and edgy as you think you are.
>Sanity is declining, slowly but very surely.And you're one of the special few that's able to see it. Praying you're just an autismo schizoid who got a little lost in the sauce and not an actual /pol/ user, because that way maybe there'll be peace for you someday. Just step outside. I'm not telling you to go hug the next tranny you meet, or even be accepting.All you have to do is talk to some people, make friends with some normies; it might be nice to have some interaction that isn't being stuck inside your own online echo chamber or epically owning the libs or whatever. You seem to know a little bit about doctor who, maybe watch some of that, get into that community. just chill anon. If you hate trans so much maybe it would do you some good to stop letting them live rent free in your head.
No.8658
>>8657>I promise you you're not quite as shocking and edgy as you think you areBeing edgy wasn't my goal. Almost everyone who posted on this thread for the sake of being edgy was v& by janny trannies. I'm simply pissed off at how much this site that I used to love can keep getting worse.
>Praying you're just an autismo schizoid who got a little lost in the sauce and not an actual /pol/ userWelcome to /hikki/, a board chock full of spergs and schizos. Hating a group of mentally ill people who seek validation 24/7 doesn't mean I'm lost in the sauce. People have tried to speak against the owner's bullshit decisions about the site for god knows how long, and none have worked. /q/ might've been put down for good, but this thread is no better of an alternative; it's the worst double down one could possibly pull off. A pinned thread that welcomes you to this board, simply wonderful…
>make friends with some normies; it might be nice to have some interaction that isn't being stuck inside your own online echo chambermfw touching grass
Are you a tourist? Or has this place been infested with so many zoomers now, that this is the only advice they can give to a shut-in? Some of us are too fucked to randomly go outside and interact, with a bonus of having no real friends. Ending up a reject more times than I can count is sure as fuck not giving me more hope over time, especially not at this age.
Not that echo chambers are the type of community to let someone speak up, either. They're soulless circlejerks that forbid people of showing a single ounce of identity.
>If you hate trans so much maybe it would do you some good to stop letting them live rent free in your headI just miss the old Uboachan. Those who keep yapping about how I should leave don't even realize how much it's been ruined even before they joined. Zoomers always defend something they can't even understand
No.8659
>>8658Something something the owner not relating to the original crowd anymore because their life took a different turn and they are the ones paying the bills and having their reputation on the line.
>>8657You just asked a shut-in to touch grass on a board about the shut-in lifestyle. You surely do stick out like a sore thumb. You know what we do to rude "enlightened" normalfags here, right?
No.8664
>>8658
>a group of mentally ill people who seek validation 24/7Is this bait? Surely you realise how hypocritical you sound, what with your constant woe-is-me swooning.
>Some of us are too fucked to randomly go outside and interact, with a bonus of having no real friends. Ending up a reject more times than I can count is sure as fuck not giving me more hope over time, especially not at this age.Aren't you special. Perhaps having interactions outside of crying about trans on the internet, online or not, could break your feedback loop. I'm not telling you to "touch grass", I'm telling you to stop fetishizing your own loneliness. Who knows, it worked for me. Anyway sorry you're so triggered by the thread. I'm wishing you the best anon, no matter how melodramatic you are, you do seem genuinely quite miserable, and I hope you find a way out soon. Sei doesn't seem to be changing their mind anytime soon, so perhaps you should do something other than stewing.
>>8659>You know what we do to rude "enlightened" normalfags here, right?Calling me pretentious then defending the statement
>I just miss the old Uboachan. Those who keep yapping about how I should leave don't even realize how much it's been ruined even before they joined. Zoomers always defend something they can't even understandis so fucking funny.
Anyway, peace to you both.
No.8665
This is getting out of hand. Convo here about what to actually do with this thread.
>>>/sugg/4116That said, whether we keep this thread here or move it to /ot/ or make a board or something:
When the conversation in the trans thread veers into whether transness is even a thing that exists, that will be considered an attempt at derailment. This thread isn't for you. It is specifically a containment thread for people who want to talk about transness
from the starting assumption that the topic itself and the kind of identity it discusses is valid. Please keep that in mind.
Let's please get back on topic while we figure out how to best manage it. Mods are paying closer attention again. Apologies for the lapse.
No.8678
>>8677Somehow i feel like this is meant to be the most horrific thing i have read but it seems normal. But to answer your question i fucking hope so.
No.8679
>>8678welp i browsed some 4tran and apparently it's pretty common. if i ever become a passoid maybe i can find someone to do it with me who knows. i get off so bad to shitting myself ffs i want to die
No.8681
>>8677Ur not a youngshit if you weren't on hrt ever that's just called normal lmao
No.8682
>>8680You can also femboytroon, hrt femboys are cute :3
Nair cream might also work
I fucking hate my body hair but i go turboautist trying to get all of it with a razor so ill just wait for hrt tbh
No.8683
does anyone have any shaving tips for mtf? i have no fucking idea what i'm doing to be honest.
No.8684
>>8376I'm honestly considering just neeting out. I would still want to go for midnight walks/bikerides but maybe that would make me a traitor to the based kino hikki movement. Life is meaningless. My only friends are the faggots my parents use my autismbux to pay off so they can tolerate me. I suck at learning japanese. I'm never going to pass. I want to die. All the days blur together in a never-ending slog of shitty video games and youtube home page refreshes. I can't read anything because I'm too retarded. I feel so ugly all the time. As a little zoomy I was at least too stupid to realise what puberty would do; 8 years later and now I'm so fucking ugly. I want to die. My skin look like shit; there are cold sores all over my chin and my forehead is covered in pimples
I hope somebody rapes me to death in ashitty back alley in my shitty fucking australian surburban hellscape
No.8695
>>8684>I would still want to go for midnight walks/bikerides but maybe that would make me a traitor to the based kino hikki movement.Think about it this way: If living to an ideal "based, hikki lifestyle" is making you miserable, is it really worth pursuing? Do you really care about what imagined hikki posters think of you going on hikes or walking outside? Sometimes you got brush that idealized hikki shit aside, your own personal happiness is much more important. Live for you and what makes you happy, not what imagined anons may think you'll never actually meet. Don't be selfish though, give adequate care to the real people around you who care, but ultimately live for yourself because yourself is going to be the only one who sticks with you for life.
I also think you are catastrophizing a bit too much with the rest of your post and need to learn some postive self-affirmations. I'm sure you aren't as ugly as you think. And if you are? Who cares, what matters to most people, besides shallow cis women, is personality and how much you mesh with theirs. People tend to overrate looks in discussion but in reality, most people are looking for someone who understands them
No.8707
what do trannies read? (non fiction only please)
No.8708
>>8707The Secret by Rhonda Byrne
No.8709
I really don't understand how people ever thought that yume nikki would stay a male NEET interest forever. Especially for people who play Yume 2kki religiously, like that's not something that the vast majority of men would ever feel interested in if given the same circumstances, in fact most of them would probably think you're a faggot for playing these games.
There's no action, there's no real overarching story, you just wander around looking at things to experience them. Additionally, some of the worlds in these games are very feminine and tend to become notable due to their cute aesthetics. When 2kki's soundtrack started to get popular on Tiktok (shit) is it any wonder why it was mostly women who liked it and used it in edits and whatnot? And is it really so strange when you go to ynoproject and see the chat is mostly made up of tumblr girls? They are not stealing the thing you like, these games always had elements that were attractive to women and LGBTQ+. No shit some fans eventually trooned out because when you leave your imageboard delusions behind, listening to Lotus Waters ost for the 500th time isn't the most gender conforming thing in the world.
If you really wanted the trannies and the faggots to go away then you would have said something about LCDDEM being gay when it released, complained about the worlds Mosenite added to 2kki, gatekept everything… instead those things just made you happy
No.8718
Let's try to keep it somewhat civil and stay on topic please.
No.8722
>>505I have often and intensely had wet dreams in which I am a pants-shitting femboy/tranny. Is there hope for me yet?
No.8737
>>8715if society conditions females to like certain things, turns out they'll like those things most of the time. hence tumblr girls etc.
if somebody then possesses a female soul (or set of mental networks for you sciencefags) the societal coding will work on them, helping establish a feedback loop that eventually leads to them trooning out.
literally none of what
>>8709 is saying is enforcing gender stereotypes, simply observing their effects.
tldr stop acting as though you're a gender abolitionist and just say you dont like >>8709's argument because it says that trannies ok
No.8739
>>8721Its a bit older than 2015. Trannies didn't really become a well known thing until the 70s thanks to changes in social thinking and medicine. I'd say the first trannies showed up around the 1920s but modern day trannies are products of post-modern consumer soceities. Gene editing, biohacking, and advances in surgey will probably create a world where trannies and even gender are no longer a thing. People will be amorphous sexless entities or have sex organs and features from what used to be the two traditional sexes mixed together or other features we don't think are possible right now. Technological change brought trannies into the world and it will replace them with something else.
>>8737There is no female soul, or whatever science sounding substitute you like. There is no individual outside social coding. Even your emotions and sensations are just social coding. Individuals do not exist.
>>8709>They are not stealing the thing you like, these games always had elements that were attractive to women and LGBTQ+. I'm guessing what really upsets people is the tendency to claim things as your own or slot it into a narcisstic narrative e.g. I ran into a person that claimed Ranma 1/2 is actually about "queer representation" and "binaries" blah etc. when its just a silly comedy show. Not saying you can't interpret it that way, but this person basically insists that if you didn't agree with them you're a homophobe and this is what the show objectively means. There was this one documentary I watched where a bunch of gay activists claimed BL is objectifying gay people and tried to blackmail people for liking it when its just romance slop for women and older males. People get annoyed when someone comes along and says "this thing belongs to my tribe and reflects our worldview and if you don't accept that you're wrong" and when LGBT do this they are backed up by the Western liberal media. Its especially annoying when they rip off other people's shit e.g. gays now claiming the poet Rumi was gay and all his poems are about gayness and identity when anyone who's read them in Persian knows they are religious literature.
No.8740
This thread is going places
No.8743
>>8742> Not even sure why this thread is hereRefer to
>>>/sugg/4110 for more info. This topic was derailing almost everything else on here. Banning the posters would bring really bad PR. Making them a separate board would bring really bad PR. Everybody seems to enjoy the status quo of "not thinking about it."
On the other side, /hikki/ activity is at long-time high. The rage bait works for once! Even if it's filled with ramble about things I do not care about.
No.8746
>>8745
You do not seem very interested in nuanced discussion yourself, judging by how you completely disregard the possibility of biological factors influencing gender dysphoria
I do agree doe… it should be looked at from a bio-psycho-social model but people are too scared of the possibility that social factors may influence it so the only people willing to even discuss it are trad right wing retards who are unable to consider a hypothesis adjacent but different to their own so we have this lame shitstorm where people assume you're talking in bad faith when you wanna talk about social influences
No.8749
>>8746>>8747report them instead of arguing please, debate only strengthens the individuals existing biases.
No.8755
Why is there an overlap between autistics and trannies? What explains this?
No.8773
>>8772it'd likely be viewed as an insult and thus an attempt to derail, which might result in a ban.
No.8776
>>8773eh true enough, i;m so tiredf
No.8803
My old issue with this site was that the "hikki" board was against pro-neet discussion in the sticky.
Now the top sticky is like the admins safespace because he decided to tr*on out and has a community he has power in.
This was a site for a Japanese indie game. Hikikomori-ism was tangentially related because of the content of the game, but really could have been limited to a few threads or general in an off-topic board.
Tr*nnies have NOTHING to do with YN. Not every site necessitates a space to discuss this shit.
All that happens is that a bunch of users will hate it, then tr*ons will have them banned,
and the site becomes more catered toward tr*ons, while driving away everyone else.
This isn't supposed to be a site for lgbt content in the first place, everyone here came together for the game.
But no one is going to care, because even the admin himself has apparently tr*oned out, and it's his site after all.
This literally happens to all good communities because certain f*ggot freaks need to make everything all about themselves no matter what.
Sorry I've been gone for years, maybe this site has devolved into nothing more than some f*ggot discord clique's general chat.
Feel free to perm me and sweep this, I'd just like the admin to read my post, from someone who enjoyed and contributed a bit here over 10y ago.
t. fellow troon
peace(K. You are using a fresh IP like everybody else who gets banned in this thread anyways.)
No.8804
>>8803why are you censoring your words is this supposed to be wholesome chungus reddit 100?
No.8813
>>8804Yes, it is if you haven't noticed.
No.8888
Hah, GET. Suck that D raiders.
