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Since the beginning of my NEET status, there's one thing that's always bothered me: the percieved lack of a reason to exist.

I just feel guilty, being such a burden. It wouldn't matter how much those that care of me would be willing to accept it. I really haven't changed since last year, and I'm starting to feel really bad about it.

How do you work through it, fellow NEETs? What do you tell yourself is the reason that you should continue breathing the next day?

I'm not considering suicide, this is simply the most relatable image of Tomoko I found, but I'm definitely not feeling great.
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That's just a mental-cop out. Is there a difference between a, "fake", emotion and a real one? Being a person whose death would benefit society isn't something to be proud of. Well, whatever gets you through your day I guess.


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what do you mean burden? you are a burden by normie standards. But standards of the society is you are a burden the second you are not contributing anything to others. Its sick altruism that you shouldnt feel bad for ignoring.

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No. You got it wrong. You're a burden if you're a burden. If you have enough money to pay for your own living expenses without relying on anybody else, normies wont think badly of you. Hell, they'll probably be jealous. If taxpayers have to take part of their paychecks and give it to you so you can keep buying vidya and consuming the planet's oxygen and limited resources, or your parents have to do it instead, obviously they'll think you're a burden. Even if you just live in the woods and scour for food, they wont they you're a leech unless they're a communist.


>normies wont think badly of you. Hell, they'll probably be jealous
One thing doesn't contradict the other though.


Huh. yeah. I guess I should have said that not only will they not think badly of you, they might also be jealous. People tend to dislike people who they're jealous of though. Well, they wont think of you as a, "burden", at least.

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Im a neet too, a neet for many many years

I dont like to whine, not fond of self piety as its painfull and dangerous

Im prety good at avoiding reality with games, animes and random interests I cant keep for longer than a week

Life sucks but I cant fuck my family over with suicide. They arent the best but I cant do that.

Im 36 and despite being intelligent and talented with words , I have no skills, no degrees and no experience.

Nowadays ive been more and more unable to block reality as the rope is slowly tightened around my neck. Despair is starting to settle in and im looking for a way out of this shit.

Good thing is my parents might last for a few years and I can still train myself and try to get a job even when im so old.
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I'm surprised you can even get a job at that age. Here you will really have to struggle with the HR peeps if you want to get a job at 30 something.

Also I'd like to share how I think about things. I've fucked up many times and screwed up many life changing decisions such as college and shit. Right now I'm still a NEET, sure. But I'm still trying to claw my way out of this hole. In reality, not everyone is a winner. Even if I know I'd end up as a loser, I'd still try to win. Why? Simply put, I see something when people struggle hard to live. I see something when people go out in the streets, selling candies and cigs just so they could have something to eat that night. Or people scrounging on trash to find something of value to sell just so they won't starve. I don't know how to describe this feeling. But I urge you to atleast try and "see things in a different light", in regards to your current situation. Even if you end up as a loser in life and die with nothing on his name, I still believe you should strive your best until the very end. Good luck man.


I want to learn programming just like OP but (and please don't take it as making fun of OP because I'm not) as a 21 year old I feel that I will never be a good programmer because all good programming wizards began to code at 10 or something like that.


as a working programmer who did not start at 10 and used to feel the same way this is almost entirely BS and you are fine


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learn c OP


The problem with todays work market is that every single company, no matter how shitty it is, wants only the crème de la crème of the work force. They can afford their behaviour today because the work market today is a global one. You cannot find a genius engineer that will work for 15% less pay than average? No problem, put an add in estonia, you will have 50 applicants for this offer in no time.

However, times are not getting hard for us here. Very bad times are ahead of us and I doubt

In Japan, already 39% of the workforce is only part time employed. That means they work 7 hours a day, 6 days a week and earn 3 dollars per hour. Full time employment means you work 12 hours per day for a little more. People who lose their jobs end up homeless very fast because there is no unemployment money or welfare from the government. Young people who earn badly often end up in appartements with up to 8 or 9 other young people in similar situations.

In China, many factories are closing and the labourers who came from rural villages cannot find new work anymore because when you are past age 35 nobody wants you anymore. Many factories are beeing abandonned and rebuilt in cheaper places like Vietnam, Bangladesh and soon Burma. Many of those people are forced to leave the cities and go back to their ancestoral homelands in the villages. Then you have other Chinese who are young but still struggle to survive in cities even with jobs. I watched how one newspaper reporter lives in a bunker/basement and barely can afford the rent. Then one couple that lives in a bungalow with no running water and a shared toilet with 10 other "appartements". Then at the same time, there are ghost cities everywhere beeing built. I always believed that those ghost cities don't belong to anyone but this is wrong. Rich upper middle class people have bought those appartements in the ghost cities and now try to turn a profit on those investments by renting or selling it.

In America you have tent cities on the rise everywhere. Homeless people make up about 1% of the population already. In Silicon valley, rents have become so expensive that even workers from the prestigous tech companies cannot afford to rent and instead live in their cars. This is all happening while about 14% of real estate is not occupied by anyone. Bureau of statistics claims that jobs are in recovery mode but they do not tell you that most of the new jobs beeing created are waiter and bartendePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Hi there. I've been a struggling NEET for years now.

In the past 6-8 years I have had several entry level jobs lasting between 2-6 months on average.

For 4 years I have been a complete NEET, (aside from a few single courses), because I was hit by a car.

I live with my parents since then, comfortably, but with no hope of meeting new people, finding (and desperately wanting to have) a girlfriend, or feeling a part of any social community that could help me branch out.

I do deal with physical pain (mostly in my back), which can be limiting.

My *MAIN* problem is that I can't think of enough pro's to work myself out of this situation. I'm on Welfare, so I make enough money to feed myself, and I can entertain myself and even learn skills at home comfortably, but I am very alone.

Just wondering if anybody has any advice for working yourself out of the NEET-hold and becoming a social, or "normal" person again.


Having welfare got me a lot of benefits that made school practically free. Still gotta pay for books. It was useful because I am not very good at learning new skills without being shown. It makes me happy just to learn to be productive.

My back has been the biggest challenge in school but luckily my SSI also allows me to have medicaid and medicare. I finally made a resolution to see a doctor and went through a lot of hoops to make myself my own payee so I could get my proof of insurance back (since I lost it) and start a health care plan.

I'm hoping they can get my a chiropractor, maybe physical therapy, or at least some decent pain medecine.


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>Just wondering if anybody has any advice for working yourself out of the NEET-hold and becoming a social, or "normal" person again.

Hi P,
I can tell you how I became a more social person: I talked to people and went to events. Any time I hear about an event in my community (any kind of event with the possibility for social interaction), go to the event and talk to the people there! You may have to learn new skills you're unfamiliar with, but that's part of the fun. Realize you are going to make mistakes, but be genuine and sincere. You may be surprised at the number of people in the world who will help you if you are a genuine person who asks for help.

You can also look around to see what events aren't being advertised. Go to your local community college or university and see what events are advertised on the bulletin boards. You can also do this at coffee shops. Additionally, you can walk around town, making a note of every store/building you see. You might be surprised how easy it is to overlook a business or place to socialize until you explicitly look for one.

I have never been a normal person for a single day in my life; I can't help you there.


Sometimes I wish I could have been victim of a disease or accident just to have en excuse for all my failings in life. The older you get, the harder it gets to shoulder all the shame that accumulates over time.

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What would your life look like if you lived exactly the way you wanted to? This question is based on something that I recently thought of and I'm interested in seeing people's responses.
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>All of that spiritual fucking voodoo shit is just a mental cop-out and crutch for people who can't accept reality. How is some religious ideology going to make somebodies life happier other than brainwashing them into thinking that they are supposed to be content even if their life is shit. You're acting like a typical missionary, preying on people's emotional weakness.

Not at all. I'm speaking from experience. I'm merely suggesting what has worked for me, not pushing anything on anybody, simply informing them of this option. You are welcome to criticize mine and suggest your own, but nobody is going to benefit from what appears to be mere ignorant aggression.

There is no brainwashing. Some call Buddhism a philosophy rather than a religion. You just examine your own actions, views and ideas and see how they bring you stress, dissatisfaction or suffering, and rework them or drop them. Meditation gives you the clarity to find insight into even the smallest things causing you stress. It is similar to your view you mentioned of removing unhappiness to find pleasure. It's very much a path that is your own choice, the teachings are a guide to help you make more informed choices, and are taken on confidence when you see that they make sense or have benefited you, rather than blind faith. If you have any legitimate questions about Buddhism or my own practice, I would be happy to answer.


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Oh yes, I should add that if your main exposure to buddhism has been schools such as Pure Land or Tibetan, then I can very easily see how you could see it as weird voodoo stuff. I don't fully understand those ones myself yet. Theravada on the other hand I have found to be much more down to earth and straightforward.

There is even secular Buddhism if you are really, really repelled by anything that can't be measured by science.


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I cannot erase my fear of the after life. I don't truly believe in it and I believe that I will cease to exist upon death, but I was raised by extremist parents that had strange beliefs. They ran the home like a church and believed they were the chosen prophets of the apocalypse. They pounded and preached fear tactics and control into my head every day as a child, sending me to sleep every night with screaming tapes of preaching about revelations and the horror and evil of the world which made me experience sleep paralysis every night and gave me an extreme fear of the dark and demons. I have schizophrenia and experience voices/hallucinations that come from "Hell", so I can never get over it. I've already tried committing suicide in that method except with more pills, didn't work. If I had access to a gun I'd have a hole in my head right now. My "Unhappiness" isn't a root that can be chopped, it was my cocoon and my seed.

I used to meditate all the time, sometimes all day and night. I didn't use it to solve my problems though, I used it for escapism and built my own fantasy world that I lived in with imaginary friends and family. I had to stop after my parents found out, because they believe that meditating opens a window for demons to enter and possess the body and haunt the house. I was really into it at the time and was still able to find some form of happiness even if it wasn't real. When my parents caught me my dad dragged me by my hair out of bed and forced me face down onto the bathroom floor and tried giving me an exorcism, full with holy water, screaming and punches, treating me like a demon. They will kick me out of the house if they find out I'm doing that again. Their words, "I won't let you do that shit under my roof." When I tried explaining how it was harmless they claimed the computer is possessing me and brainwashing me with sin and shut off my internet for a month. I don't have a door to my room my dad broke it in half so I can't risk trying that again.


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Are you able to go for strolls or walk around anywhere away from family? Walking meditation is an option, if so. Nobody has to know. You simply focus on your footsteps while looking ahead, ie. left foot up, left foot down, right foot up, right foot down. You can break it up into more detailed movements, too.

I seem to be seeing quite a few people saying their family thinks meditation = demons, lately.


Be making 7 figures a year, married to a 10/10 girl with 3 children, getting pussy on the side especially while on business trips, really nice apartment in a nice city, actually be respected instead of shit on constantly for existing basically.

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If I'm successful financially, I think I might create a NEET house, as a safe space where NEETs can move out of their parents house, become a virtuoso of what they're passionate about, and/or be counseled on how to actually succeed at life. Eventually though, they will have to either use what they've learned to get a job and move out, or contribute to the household (I suspect it'd mostly be the later, since it's the safer option).

What do you think? Can someone learn to not be a leech on society in an environment like this, or would this inevitably reinforce their dependence on others? Would you be comfortable moving to such a place full of NEET strangers, even if shit hit the fan?
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>>1843 here. Well, the whole thing would kinda be an interview process.

Want to make sure we have someone that jives with the small community and whatnot.
Also, want to make sure there are no major self destructive habits or…potential law enforcement issues.

I am in a position where…if things work out and we find someone that is genuine about the work and wanting to be a contributing part, I would not be above ensuring that this person is able to get to us if need be.

Call it a bleeding heart complex…but, I've stood by too many times in life while bad shit was going down; can't live doing that any longer.

Also, I'm an amazing cook–even vegetarian if you so choose–so I'd be doing all the dinner cooking on weekdays, and all the meals on weekends.

Just keep in touch on here or if, you're interested, we can strike up a conversation. I'm always up for meeting new peeps.


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I was thinking of doing something like this as well op. It will take me a couple years to get enough money, and honestly I'm not sure if anyone would go for it or not.

But I feel like it would be good to try. Many NEETs on imageboards have become my closest friends, and they and people like them don't deserve to live in bad homes.


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>>2420 here. Sorry for the delayed response and thank you so much for your offer. Did you have a good holiday?

As much as I'd love to join your community… I have a few commitments that I need to follow up on. If the offer is still on the table in two years or so, though, I'd be happy to take you up on it.

>Just keep in touch on here or if, you're interested, we can strike up a conversation

I'd like that a lot, Anon.

In any case, good luck!


Any updates on this?


And how do you find friends in here? I've been browsing imageboards for a while and I've never made any friends. I think that's mostly because I'm just a lurker.

discord: i want to die xd #1323

IF you have any nice server or just want to talk add me.

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I miss the NEET life I had…

> Current life in an apartment with girlfriend

> Have a job

But I'm still not happy. I feel I don't have enough free time. If I'm not working I have too little time left to sit down and actually enjoy a game, and when I don't do that I have to invest time in my relationship, and when I'm not even doing that, I have responsibilities to take care of.

Even if I have a job, I do NOT have money for myself, at all. When I was a NEET all my money and time was only for me, myself, and I. I don`t wanna go to work, I wanna sit down on my ass and make games and play games, but this lifestlye is long gone, no longer available. I regret some life decisions I made, I really, really wish I could still be a NEET.

Best scenario would be: Keeping my gf, become a NEET again, but this is clearly impossible.

Have you ever experienced regret from no longer being a NEET?
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>Art has this habit of attracting people who are broken or just a little off
God, yes. I love it.
Academia as well, in some circles.


no kidding you guys if dating is annoying, don't do it. i don't.

i love working?? but i only do so part time. i get bored and restless when i am not.


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im still neet losers! check me my mom got me this melon and cut it for me! haha


Why stop here? You were being creative a while back in those last few threads.


It's funny how well this connects with another thread where some guy brags about how he improved his life and left neetdom. Thanks for taking the time in your busy schedule to visit here despite the possibility of, "slipping into old habits". Honestly, keep the job, loose the girl. What's the point of some nagging nuisance who probably asks you to buy things and only puts out when she feels like it like she's doing you some kind of inconvenient favor. Your job may take a lot of time, but domestic time is golden and shouldn't be wasted on something that you don't enjoy. Can you seriously see yourself marrying her and being tied down for the decades to come? Imagine if you want a divorce. Think of all the money that will be taken from you.

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Please help me. I am do gay i cant stop buying male prostitutes but only if they are black.. my bank account is in the red my family hates me. IF ONLY I DIDNT BECOME A MEMBER OF GNAA(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)


Sei, could you please ban this edgy, prepubescent faggot from 4chan who doesn't understand the purpose of the /ot/ board?


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>Sei, could you please ban this edgy, prepubescent faggot from 4chan who doesn't understand the purpose of the /ot/ board?
This isn't the purpose of /ot/ either, my friend.

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Who are neets going to vote for in 2016?

Donald Trump is the meme candidate but Bernie is offering free shit which is good for neets like us.
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If I had a nickle for every jackass who has already said that. I will have a nice laugh when Trump wins and all of you are still here.


And I feel very, very sorry for all those unfortunate enough to not have an escape route from the inevitable martial law enforced plutocracy that would emerge from that government.


I don't know where you people get this from. It seems like 99% of people who hate Trump haven't listened to a word he has said.


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"dude weed/college lmao"

contemporary politics is kuso tire anyway, WHO CARES

t. angsty suburb teen from the 90s

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Hi all,

I posted a few times on the old board several years ago whilst I was NEET after dropping out of uni.

Just recently been made redundant and I am going to go through the NEET lifestyle again.

Any tips or suggestions for a UK NEET?



i dont know much about uk neets but what do you mean redundant?

what did you major?


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>Any tips or suggestions for a UK NEET?

Can you go back to university? Fight hard to graduate from a university. University has helped me greatly; I've met several important mentors and learned a great deal about socialization, fitness, programming, and drawing, just to name a few. I was a NEET in the past and now I have professional programming prospects.

Though I should warn you in advance I am telling you to graduate from a university, not to attend. It took me about two years from when I started attending to become what I consider to be a serious student, and I took summer school. It make take you a shorter or longer time.


>Though I should warn you in advance I am telling you to graduate from a university, not to attend.


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Did Economics before dropping out from LSE, too boring and workload was too much, I spent most of my time playing poker online.

I was in a job and they got rid of me because they were losing business so they paid me like £400 an said you're fired with compliments.

Last time I was NEET I lived with my parents and still had Unibux, now I've got barely £200 and the belt is tightening. Signed up for JSAbux tho.. $70 a week..

>>838 I would not mind to but I suppose you hit the nail on the head, I would probably attend and not graduate if I'm being frank. Besides that I couldn't fund the university and neither could my parents, who whilst employed are carrying loads of debt.

I've applied to some jobs… but no luck and when I look in the mirror I don't see much staring back..


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You can definitely go to a university if you are willing to make enough sacrifices. You can eventually get scholarship money in places you wouldn't expect if you are willing to make enough sacrifices.

Another thing I would suggest is studying some skill in your spare time. Any skill will work, but some are much better than others (e.g. it will be easier to find people willing to pay you to program than people willing to pay you to play video games). Then, later, after a few years, (this is the important part) figure out how to sell that skill for money.

I currently run a business selling chess lessons to (the parents of) elementary schoolers. I never thought I would make money from playing chess, and I certainly didn't start playing chess with money in mind, but there it is.

You might be surprised to find out what skills you already have if you look inside yourself and what you can sell. I can't give you any specific formula because I was randomly lucky.

However, I can tell you that you don't need to study any one skill exclusively to sell it. My current work is an amalgamation of varying levels of skill at social networking, social skills, dress sense, willpower, physical fitness and attractiveness, punctuality, marketing, teaching, public speaking, awareness of my surroundings, computer skills (yes, really), design (yes, really), and chess ability.

Some ideas* for A+ skills that you can apply to pretty much anything:
Learning (yes, this is a skill. it is at the top of the list on purpose)
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Hello everybody, I just find this forum. It's been almost a year since I became a NEET. I tried for a few months to go to college but it did not work. I wonder what people like me think about the future. Do you think we can go on like this forever? Well, I have no ambition, and I think things will never change. Do you wanna change?
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I've been NEET for almost two years. I've realized that I'm completely terrified of people in almost every way. I keep applying to jobs because my family wants me to do something. But I got hired for one, wasn't told of a schedule change before my first day, and then decided they didn't respect me enough and I'd probably have a bad time there. So I walked away from that opportunity. I applied for another job and I'm supposed to call someone back today. I don't think I can. I don't think I can work. I don't know what to do anymore.

So yes, I would like to change. I just want to be happy and not feel ashamed of being a loser. I want money so I can take care of myself. But if I could be NEET forever I would, because less people can hurt me if I stay away from them.

Thanks for reading, I needed to vent some frustration.


Call them. You can do it. Don’t let your fears get the best of you. If it doesn’t go well you can just leave and try something else. I assure you that you will feel better after calling than if you didn’t.

I was exactly like you before, so alike that it hurts to read your post. Also a neet for two years. I used to believe working wasn’t for me, that I would be embarrassing awful at all the tasks and schedules, and just thinking of having to deal with people I didn’t knew scared me so much. Some months ago I finally got tired of feeling like shit and accepted to work on an acquaintance’s office. I was overwhelmed at first. I didn’t even have the courage to answer the phones for a long time, and would stutter when talking to people. Faced so many embarrassing situations. I eventually got used to it, gained experience, and started to be able to chill my insecurities. I still do embarrassing things sometimes but I have learned not to worry about it so much. The experience changed me, and I can even say this change affected other areas of my life for the better.

Just do your best to overcome the challenges you’ll face at work, and don’t feel intimidated when things go wrong. You already have motivation so use it to push yourself into doing what you want. I won’t lie, it will take some time to learn what to do and how to deal with your negative thoughts and feelings. Keep your perseverance at high. Even if you end up sucking at the job, remember you still gained some experience with it and you are now ready to do even better at your next one. I wish you good luck, anon. If I managed to do it, you can too.


Please call them. The best you can do is the best you can do. The best you can do changes when you make a mistake. If you don't call them, you won't learn how to do better.

>But if I could be NEET forever I would, because less people can hurt me if I stay away from them.

I used to be a NEET for a while for this very reason.

Now it's been a few years.

Now I think, "less people can love me if I stay away from them."


It takes a toll on one's mind and body not to do anything for an extended amount of time.
Long story short, I had an incident one time when I went outside. A life changing, broken bones sort of incident. And it made me fucking paranoid to go outside again. I just want to stay inside constantly, but fuck, I also want to enjoy life. I don't want to be a miserable douchebag with no aspirations, I want to enjoy myself.
However, I'm literally scared of everything. So back to feeling shit and being a NEET I go.

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