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How do you deal with the isolation of this lifestyle? When I have nobody to talk to online I lose all motivation to enjoy myself, and the life is basically sucked out of me
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I'll get to it tomorrow.


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Ok. I have been worn out from wörk wörk wörk anyways so take your time.


Can't you loser exchange E-Mails or something?


lol why do you care?


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Because I told him that he couldn't play with us

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My friend was making depressive comments and talking about suicide from over three years ago. We thought it was him trying to get attention, but over time he became more and more serious, until I realized that it wasn't an act. Many of the people who surround him still treat it like he's pretending, but exam season is coming in, and the stress and pessimism is really getting to him. He's recently been talking about staying home because he feels ill, but when he's at home, he plays games until he gets depressed about how much time he's wasted. His parents pressure him about grades, and he's grown an inferiority complex and it's all slowly knawing away at him.
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That't mornic. Objects can be refurbished and people are in way as simplistic as onjects.


>are in no way as simplistic as objects


what a mornic thing to say


My keyboard isn't working properly right now. That doesn't change the fact that you are an idiot for thinking that people work in the same way as objects.


I am not the poster you were debating, you morn

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Who here has achieved monk-tier hikkidom?
>i have made myself to be a walking wikipedia
>started working out and actually developed muscle
>my level of doucheness has risen to considerable levels
>Turns out looking down on people cures some of the anxiety
I still dont leave my house though, mainly because i dont have reasons to do so, i lost all my "friends" a long time ago and calling them to hang out now would be awkward (i dont even have money to go drinking) and i still get anxious as fuck when im outside (i was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder)
And getting a job still looks impossible


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i forgot to add
>i have elevated my level of english to near native status (expressing myself is still difficult because i dont speak too much with people)
>on my way to learn japanese (those untranslated eroges wont stay out of my reach)


Monk tier hikki-dom is becoming a literal hermit. Come back when you farm your own food, produce your own clothing and transcend mortal desires.


>started working out and actually developed muscle
stopped reading right there


>he got past "monk-tier hikkidom"

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I was thinking about Youtubers, Twitch streamers and people who get paid for basically being on the internet and doing something that a monkey could.
These people could easily qualify as NEET, right? They spend up to 8 hours or more a day playing videogames or vlogging or something and most of their income comes from their fans.
Yet nobody really bats an eye at them other than the occasional angry dude that gets way too bent out of shape over people getting money from fans rather than employers. But with NEETs there's a higher level of stigma, telling them they're parasites and that they need to work on themselves and conform. Is the difference really as subtle as simply getting money? Or providing a service, even if it has little to no effect on society and the person's community?
What makes the difference in the way a NEET and someone who turns their hobby and cult of personality into a "job"?
Also have any NEETs here attempted this? Would you?
Is it viable? etc etc
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people like us could never do the same because we lack charisma and personality. All those popular people on youtube are sociable and likable and if you are a zombie nobody would want to listen to the shit you have to say. Then also most popular youtubers have their own style and personality. SOmething that makes them unique and likable.

I noticed there are increasingly retarded people who would rather watch other people playing videogames than playing them themselves. I am also disgusted by those let's play videos. Whenever I get stuck in a game and watch for a walkthrough I get those trashy let's plays suggested instead. The ultimate perversion is people trying to monetize their spiritual diarrhea.


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Slightly off topic, but how does one gain charisma? Conversations? Small talk? Books?
Being born with it can't be the only way.


How to win friends and influence people is a pretty popular book on the subject. Charism is mostly a lack of inhibition when talking to others, which some people are born with and others have to practice.


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>I noticed there are increasingly retarded people who would rather watch other people playing videogames than playing them themselves.

It just feels less lonely that way, anon


It's kinda the art of not giving a fuck. When people stress you out, you don't say what you want to say, you don't present yourself naturally (which is very off-putting), and the unpleasantness of your situation gets communicated so you can come off negatively.
Don't just be yourself, be yourself and say fuck it

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Who here has found inner peace with themselves while being NEET or Hikikomori??.
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>just giving them money
Do you know how money works? Like at all? Money is worthless if you just give it to anybody who wants it. That's how inflation can balloon, that's how you ruin the economy even more.
>This guy is spending the time that could be used to pursue his interests or help his community
Why do you assume this guy has interests or cares about his community? It's more likely that they don't. For all you know, he could be a drug addict.


If the job is truly worthless to the employer, that's on the employer. It's their money they're wasting and people should be happy that they do it. At least currently, there's lots of grunt work that canot be replaced by robots. Even when the technology does exist,it will not be affordable for every convenience store and every factory position and everything in between. Robots are still a long way off from eliminating the need for human labor of all kind. In the meantime, nobody will want to do the grunt work that somebody still needs to do, if they can just get the same money for nothing.

There's also plenty of other economic problems with devaluing money like that. How much money should people even be given is highly debatable. Just enough for the bare necessities, or enough to live an enjoyable life? What if they have really expensive hobbies or interests? Should those people be given more money or should there be a cap?Hiring enough government workers to manage that would put an even more massive strain on taxpayers. A bunch of people trying to buy shit with money handed to them has always been devestating for any economy where prices aren't set. A society where prices are set would make running a business unprofitable and a waste of time. If nobody runs the businesses, the government would have to provide everything, and then you would have communism.

You can't currently make a distinction between usless and neceesary grunt work without throwing the whole system off and fucking everything up.


>Why do you assume this guy has interests or cares about his community?
Those where just examples of worthwhile uses of time. As long as the ways he spends his new free time are just slightly more worthwhile than standing in the street doing nothing (or in the general case, doing work that can be done just as well by objects), my point stands. But obviously even if he specificaly does absolutley nothing with his time, that will not be the case for the majority of people.

>It's more likely that they don't

What? It's likely that wageslaves don't have interests? You think that most people don't enjoy anything? I can understand why you say that most won't want to help their community, but they're not doing that anyway so there still isn't a negative.

>For all you know, he could be a drug addict

What, and therefore not a person? He has a mental illness so he deserves an even more worthless life? The monotony and futility of his job probably contributes to his drug habit.

I'm not going to discuss the economics, because I haven't read any economic literature so I would just embarrass myself.


Your idea has everything to do with economics, so you already talked about it. Alright, fine. Maybe this guy does have intersts, but I don't think the world really needs more shitty r&b or whatever he is in to. At least not enough to warrant paying him a salary large enough to potentially indulge in that interest, on the off chance that he might actually produce something, simply for existing. People shouldn't get money for nothing unless they can't make any themselves. That would be a fucking mess and far too many people would do it, a large portion of which wont contribute to anying even with the extra time. Lots of people who really have a passion for something make that their job. Sure it doesn't work out that way for a lot of people, but that's the general rule.


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Ah, I love reading about fantasy worlds. In one, everyone has equal access to everything and therefore nobody is happy and nothing is accomplished. In another, only a select few have access to anything and therefore nobody is happy and nothing is accomplished. Interesting, innit?

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TL;DR Have any of you tried business? If so, what obstacles did you go through, and did it turn out in the end?

I am a NEET with bipolar disorder and possibly autism. I dropped out of high school and got my GED. I went to my local community college and placed into calculus 1. However, once my classes were mostly on campus which was after around 3 quarters I couldn't handle being around people and dropped out. Afterwards I've been doing shit jobs that I've managed only to tolerate max 2 months and that is pushing it. I don't even have my drivers license and I'm like 20. It really fucking sucks. I have great difficulty learning motor skills. I remember I didn't know how to tie my fucking shoes until I was in 6th grade. I am however a little more confident behind the wheel, but not yet to a agreeable level.

Needless to say I'm living with my parents. I do feel somewhat guilty, but after large amounts of self reflection I feel that it isn't worth it. No amount of sulking and pitying is going to change anything. I'm not ashamed of being alive and honestly I couldn't care less if I was homeless. I walked alone in the dark in the middle of winter for like 6 hours just reflecting on my own fears and inhibitions. So what if I die within this moment? So what if society is bigoted and repulsed by eccentrics like us? It is better to go off with a bang than a whimper.

During my time working shit jobs I bought an impressive library of books covering everything from FPGAs, how to write a compiler, to even the internals workings of operating systems. I am very interested in computers and I was thinking of taking toastmaster courses to help me with my non existent social skills. Maybe even getting neetbux for a short while. I really want to roll the dice hard on this one. I am planning on becoming a badass technical contractor, so badass they will be uncompetitive if they choose to pass me up. So that even with my flaws, they are fucked without me.

So, any of you had any success with business? I feel like setting up an LLC and putting myself out there to be optimal. Even if it feels scary inside. Even if it is incredibly irritating and annoying. Even if it is harder than doing the shit jobs I was once doing.


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I built two home based businesses - a b&b and a cageless vacation home for dogs. They required little investment (the b&b is also my family house), so the hardest part was actually building up a list of clients. It took time but I got there eventually, and now I can make a decent living with earnings from the two combined. Best part is, I am entirely my own boss, so I can simply turn people down if I can afford it and don't feel like working for a certain period. It goes without saying that, to make something obut of a business like that, you need to have *excellent* people skills, something I was mostly simply born with.

I've been also part timing here and there, mostly to put something in my curriculum that showed I can work under a boss.


If you have skills with the hardware you could try flipping computers. I does, however, require upfront purchases and a constant trickle of money for parts. The customers can be rather unfriendly sometimes because they think that you are to blame when they download stuff from every clickbait ad they see on their social media.

Flipping things in general might be a good "soft start" for business. Buy things locally from CL, kijiji, thrift stores, estate sales, people in need of money for rent, etc. Clean the stuff up and sell for profit locally or online. Some practice in good ol' buy low sell high. The best way to learn business is to be in business. This will help with your social skills. Sales is an amazing skill.

If you want a few dollars from your pc, your could look into amazon mturk or clickworker. They allow you to do menial tasks for menial pay (below min wage by a lot).

You may also want to look into amazon KDP and writing some ebooks. Write your book in a normal text editor (they can even be article sized nowadays), upload and convert with their tools, "publish" and wala. They get 30%, you get 70%. It might only get you a few bucks a month per work, but hey, it's something.

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I want to go blind. Everything's too overwhelming at this point. Is there a way to go blind without pain? One that doesn't involve stabbing.
If I don't go blind, or become crippled down the legs, I'll kill myself the new year. I hope there is a good way to do this.


I'm sorry, but we can't give you that kind of advice here. Anyone who tried to would be banned. Ask instead how to feel less overwhelmed. Maybe someone has better ideas than yours.

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I've been a neet for 4 years, and only recently has a family emergency made me terrified of how i've managed money up to this point. I've always lived in the moment and might have fucked myself over.

So, /hikki/:
-How do you split your neetbucks between savings and day to day living?
-How much recreationally spending money do you allow yourself?
-Do you worry about how easily any day an accident could ruin you? Any other advice?
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Same thing here. I save around 50-60% of everything that I make now. Most of what I spend now is on food, gas, and helping my folks. I might buy a new game once a year or so.
Wish I had figured this obvious shit out when I was younger, I was buying all that shit to escape with instead of dealing with the severe dysfunction in my life.


>-How do you split your neetbucks between savings and day to day living?
There are no neetbux. My dad pays for my groceries and I have no other expenses or bills.
>-How much recreationally spending money do you allow yourself?
I usually buy 1-2 $5 steam games a year.
>-Do you worry about how easily any day an accident could ruin you? Any other advice?
I've already had accidents. I just have to deal with them as best I can on my own. I've already had to deal with fainting and cracking my head open completely on my own.


my life is basically over already.
I quit my job to go to college which I failed. Finding a job as a dropout is very hard because everyone suspects you of beeing a failure (which I in fact am). I asked myself often why I even continue to exist. Nothing gives me pleasure anymore and I have nothing to look forward to for the future. I thought of getting back into the labour force and save up money so I can retire early but then I will be in the same situation like today, just with more money. I will still have nothing to do and I will still be waiting for death.

Sadly I am too much of a coward to finnish myself off so I wonder how I will end in a few years when my savings run out.


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>How do you split your neetbucks between savings and day to day living?

No NEETbux, I live by a mix of parental support and my small home business. I do have some property to my name, which counts as savings I guess.

>How much recreationally spending money do you allow yourself?

Few hundreds a month, mostly because I can afford it.

>Do you worry about how easily any day an accident could ruin you? Any other advice?

Not particularly, because accidents happen and I think it's pointless living in fear / in function of them.


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-cant save anything, living on welfare
-20€ a month
-yes, its frightening

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So I've been a hikki NEET since May 2015 or so, but that's gonna change in about 3 weeks.

I know 2 years isn't that much compared to most of you guys, but I'm scared. My already mediocre social skills have probably taken a hit since then, so I don't know how will I react around people etc.

These 2 years have been fun in the end, even though I've hardly done anything relevant at all. But now's time to be a member of society again and I'm not sure I can handle it.

I'll be studying software engineering if anyone's interested.

Has anyone here gone through something similar?
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It's always good to have some backup-money that could get you through a month or two if the worst case scenario occured (like, say, you lose your job or your car breaks down, similiar to that)
But if you got enough money you can try out new things! Go travel or buy books about new topics you don't know much about, just to see if it interests you.


I went on a trip to Seattle recently, I felt happy just wandering around the streets. First time I had felt that way in a long time


OP here - once again.
Some days I just feel like quitting, I can't really stand dealing with people 5 days a week.

But I also know that I should get used to this since it will be the norm from now on. I'm not sure I miss my NEET days, but deep inside I know I don't want to go back. I do miss having all that free time to just to whatever and not worry about anything, though.

For people on a similar situation, try what this poster said. I can't say I'm the most popular guy, but at least I'm not completely alone either.

It's very interesting to hear your stories, please keep them coming.


I've noticed in the first few months of having the job that my bad social skills had taken a hit in the 3 years I'd been NEETing. There were little bits of fairly toxic behavior that I didn't really notice until about a month ago and I decided that I would simply do better.

I'm slightly better socially now and even online I seem to have eliminated a lot of the stuff I was prone to (part of the reason why I decided to start isolating myself in the first place).

The biggest problem I've got now is figuring out what the fuck to go back to school for, and also to figure out how to cut back on some of the bad habbits that I had while a NEET so I can wake up earlier despite having to work until late at night.


Do you have any idea of what you want to do, or not do?

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Why are people proud of being neet? Why do they boast about being neet?

I've been neet for 7 years and have never been proud of it or thought it was worth telling others about.
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>I believe that politics are relevant here when they're used to justify neetdom. Neetdom is very much relevant to this board.
You would have a point if you were at least discussing politics related to neetdom, but you are just arguing why socialism is shit (and before you shoot me, I agree, it's shit) with other anon who hates the idea that we humans are humans and things never come free. If you are derailing a thread and going completely off topic, and specially with politics, you two would better go discuss this to other place where sperging about the same things again and again ad nauseam isn't a bother the rest of the site (just look at how many people are bitching about it already).
It's not that we don't care about politics, it's that this isn't the best place to discuss them because they're not even in the spirit of this place. Yes, /n/ was always shit, but we had more activity on the past and it didn't matter much. Now, when an autism battle hijacks the front page, it isn't as cool.


I know it sucks that threads are being filled with politics, but its mostly just one guy whos baiting because he got banned from a political board that was linked to from here. The best thing to do wold be to just not respond to him.


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I was never proud of it. Because if i would be someone who insisted on having something to be proud of, then I would not have become a NEET.
If i would be a person that highly values the opinion of other people over his own and therefore prefere to work and to be respektet in society instead of doing what i really want to do, i wouldn't have become a NEET in the first place.


>getting up at half past 7
get on my level, my clock bells at 5 am


You should be proud of how honest you are with yourself. By the way, what do you like to do anon?

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