No.8471
>>8465>be passive and wait for the reckoning.WHAAA what are you people planning?! The revolution is gonna come from Uboa?
>>8468>What do you mean you "said some hurtful things"?I don't remember exactly. Schizo babble. I ramble incoherent thoughts when I'm upset. I screamed some random shit at her. I do remember saying "I won't let you people fuck mw." Stuff like that.
>>8459Your site Sei but I don't get why this thread is pinned.
No.8472
>>8471>The revolution is gonna come from Uboa?Yes. We are coming for you and your grandmother's dinner.
>why this thread is pinned.People kept derailing other threads. The pin is here to prevent further chaos. Which is weird considering sei's obsessions with the chaotic and mysterious.
No.8474
>>8471>I won't let you people fuck meYeah, sounds like sexual repression, maybe Sei can help you deal with it? ;)
No.8475
>>8471My friend the “I won’t let you people fuck me” comment is some kind of repressed thing for sure, and you saying, “is it possible I’m actually attracted to her?” People who aren’t attracted to trans people don’t say stuff like that. That said I don’t think you should try to bone your roommate. But you should totally take this as an opportunity to get better social skills and maybe make a friend. A lot of trans folk are super autistic and super online you might have more in common than you think.
Go apologize, not in a schizo way just a simple, “i’m sorry for freaking out I really don’t like being touched but i’ll try not scream again.” If you can’t do that in person leave a letter at her door. Maybe a few days or weeks later strike up a conversation.
I promise you trans folk are people like any other people. Whatever internet demons your afraid of try to let them go at least with people actually living with you.
No.8476
Sex with Sei!
No.8477
I slipped a note under her door apologizing. Its probably not as polite but a safer way of doing things and way less stressful. I kept it short and simple "I'm sorry for what I said and I want to apologize for hurting your feelings" etc I hope that's acceptable to humans.
>>8475>My friend the “I won’t let you people fuck me” comment is some kind of repressed thing for sure, and you saying, “is it possible I’m actually attracted to her?” People who aren’t attracted to trans people don’t say stuff like that. I say that kind of stuff a lot though. The rest of it was drooling incoherent schizobabble. And "am I attracted to this person" is a recurring anxious obsession of mine. I'm so paranoid I'm paranoid about myself. Probably not attracted since I hate sex. But sometimes when I'm interested in a person I tend to want to say a lot of stuff to them and I get stressed out and just ramble schizo shit to them. By interest I mean like when your landlord installs a new vent in the hallway and you spend hours inspecting it, leaving, goimg back to inspect it, worrying about what it means or why its there or why its shaped that way or if its hiding something. Like there's some hidden truth I just need to discover when its just new fucking vent cover. That kind of schizo interest/fear/curiousity/OMG I'm gonna fucking die if I don't keep looking at this terror. Like a braindamaged puppy that can't think straight. I guess I could be interested in her in that kind of way. Idk what I'm saying anymore. I need help.
I guess I'll just avoid them for a while and learn to calm down. Just learn to get used to them.
No.8480
>>8477Have you tried recreational drug usage? Even if it's just placebo, I've found that the idea of "If I take this drug, it makes me normal for a bit" works well.
No.8481
>>8480Let's just not recommend using drugs here.
No.8483
Because of where I live, the waiting times are insane, so I just live as I am. It's getting pretty tough to do things like take a shower, and because I'm hikki, I have no support… I'm not very social, so imageboards are ideal. It's nice having a place to discuss these issues that isn't full of derailing.
>>8434Anonymous, I have a similar problem to you, with the hormonal issue. For that reason I'm worried about facial hair growth on testosterone. I think we will both cross the bridge when we get close to it.
No.8484
>>8478Wait, isn't that normal behavior for when you are in a stressful situation?
No.8487
>>8483Do we have the same hormonal issue by any chance? I have Hyperandrogenism due to PCOS, which causes hirsutism. My inflated level of T actually makes me question what’ll happen if I do go on T, since that’s just even more on top of what I already have. If it’ll have any negative affect on me, what all the extra T will do, etc.
(Just gonna keep using Aoi to identify myself. she’s cute)
No.8494
>>8478I'm schizophrenic.
>>8480Bad idea for schizos.
No.8517
>>8514It's never too late to stop taking that stuff and return to your old life
No.8521
>>8517Can you read? They said they didn't have access currently
No.8524
I know
>>8522 is not really trying to help but if anyone seriously needs to diy, htrgen on 4/lgbt/ has good resources. Don't stay on that board any longer than you have to though.
No.8525
>>8523>closeted non-binary i feel like a mix of both gendersDon't mean to be rude, but what does this even mean?
>>8524Not trans but I am mentally ill and have paranoid obsessions about my own body. I go on that board because its the only place I can vent without being called a schizo. The trannies think I'm one of them. I know I shouldn't use it or camp out on boards for other groups, but where else am I supposed to go?
Maybe it would be better to copy those links and sticky them here so nobody has to brave the AIDS infested waters of 4chuds?
No.8535
>>8534>>8400 and all of the other Aoi posts anon here.
Nice to see another transmasc! I’m really happy for you!! I’m still thinking of hrt, but I hope to be as happy as you are when I make my decision.
Rough to hear about your family though. If I can spare a shared sentiment rather than advice, I have a somewhat distant family who was all kinds of…interesting about trans people. So when I transitioned, I stayed away from her as much as I could. However, I think word got back to her on my transition because she sent me a birthday card with my current name on it, and even complimented it in the card. So, if it’s any comfort, there could still be room to change!
I wish you good luck in your transition!!!
No.8546
>>8534> my relationship with my mother has been strained following coming out and discussing HRT Imagine you had a child. Imagine the pain of childbirth, the difficulty of raising this life, bringing up the daughter you’ve always wanted, only for your child to turn around and tell you that they don’t want to be your daughter. That’s devastating. I know people these days are suckers for “autonomy” and “individuality” and doing their own thing, but remember a mother gets her sense of self, the meaning of her life, from her child and now that child doesn’t want to be the thing she raised. It’s an existential injury. You might not mean it that way but that’s how she could be interpreting it. “My daughter doesn’t want to be my daughter anymore. I’m a bad mother.” That cuts deep. With time she may heal, but there’s a chance she never will even if she comes to accept you which I hope she does.
>i find she is very misinformed and prejudiced about people like meDon’t think prejudice stems from misinformation. Familiarity can breed hate. America is a country that is extremely nationalist, genocidal, and intolerant of diversity, yet this very country has dedicated whole academic departments to every known human culture and pumps out DEI training. You could inform her, but there’s a chance she won’t like what she finds and will hate you more. In some ways, not knowing the details is better. You know, once upon a time, individuals like yourself were more likely to be accepted in conservative communities. Why? Because such societies had a “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck” attitude and didn’t care about particulars or knowing the details. “Trans? Don’t know, don’t care, not my business.” Sometimes ignorance is bliss and there’s a chance trying to correct her views or inform her will only backfire, especially if she’s still emotionally torn up about it.
No.8548
>>8535really pleased to connect with you here!
it seems distance is the best option for us at the moment… i moved away a little bit before covid to live with my partner on the other side of the country and our connection has been pretty strenuous since, even before i decided to be honest with her about myself.
i'm really pleased she sent you that card though and i can only hope i experience something similar when she realises i'm becoming who i've always wanted to be! wishing you all the best as well, and whether or not you pursue HRT i hope you'll never stop proudly being yourself.
totono has been on my vn backlog for a long time and you've really put my mind back on it!
>>8546i acknowledge that this is difficult for her as a parent and i've been nothing but considerate of her sensitivities and feelings when discussing my identity with her, but to interpret your child making their own choices as they near 30 years old as a personal attack on you and regarding them still as a mere extension of your womb is, to put it harshly, self-centred. you can't control how others feel, i can't stop her from feeling like she "failed" as a parent, and she has decided to make her politically charged aggression informed by youtube shorts my responsibility, which i find unfair when i never wanted her understanding or acceptance, just for her to be aware; my feeling hurt has just been an unexpected sideeffect i'm pretty mad at myself for!
it doesn't help that her rebuff of sharing what's happening in my life comes after an argument earlier this year in which she implored me to share anything and everything with her, which i foolishly took her up on. as a result i've become more closed off than ever from her, because she's shown me i cannot be myself like she desperately wants. our conversations stick to work or hobby matters now, if at all.
i also disagree with your idea that motherhood becomes a person's sole sense of self/meaning of life and find it derogatory towards mothers. they can and do find happiness outside of their children, and my mother is capable of that too. i saw it happen in my teens!
finally, i'm australian. i'm unfamiliar with and don't understand the amerisphere and am socially informed by a different society to yours.
No.8552
>>8546It's very funny that someone on the NEET board should be insinuating someone has made their parents feel like a failure
No.8555
>>8434FtM dude here. The bottom growth happens, yes, but it is not really THAT notorious, unless you use some tools to make it grow more big, if you go on T, you may notice it is a little bigger than it used to be, but In my own experience, it doesn´t grow bigger and it is not really that noticeable unless you really look closely.
It may be your own body funky shit on how it reacts to T, but i could promise that you wouldn't sound like Shaggy, being on T is like being back into puberty, but hey, it feels nice to feel comfortable in my own body. My friends have told me my voice has changed and i sound just like a normal guy.
Wishing you the best, bro.
No.8557
>>8385You're a NEET who is trying to punch down on other people. I'm not even trans, but to be honest, when you're neet/hikki you have the lowest status in society, so you can't afford to judge other people to this extent. The least you can do is act like a decent person.
No.8559
>>8548Just to be clear, I'm not attacking or blaming you. Just trying to point out how someone else might be interpreting/misinterpreting your actions.
Human beings are not atoms as Westerners like to think. We are our relationships. We are defined by our relationship to other people and we naturally want to perfect them. Usually, a husband wants to be a good husband, a mother wants to be a good mother etc. in each case, that's measured by the happiness and fufillment of the person on the other end of the relationship. A mother who has a daughter wants to raise a good daughter, takes pride in having a daughter, and derives meaning from that mother-daughter relationship among other things. If the daughter then comes out as trans, that psychologically throws off the parent. "Like what, I'm not a good mom? She doesn't want to be my daughter now? What happened to my little girl? I fucked up. I raised her wrong" etc. I know Westerners have this attitude of "well I'm an individual so mind your own business" which explains why their society is so fucked up and degenerate but we aren't individuals. We're extremely co-dependent and even things that are well meaning or totally justified can be hurtful to others.
You trying to share could come off as gloating or rejection to her. Other people may not understand your well meaning actions. Demanding acceptance from her is hurting her. It must be a lot to take in for her. Give her time. Think about how complicated it was for you to come to terms with yourself. Right now she might be going through something simmilar.
In a situtation like this, you have to give your mother time to come to terms with it and let her know you'll always be hers. Reassure her that you love her, that she didn't fuck up and be careful about how she might misread your behavior. Don't push her away or ignore her feelings, even if they are hurtful. Its best if you reconcile with her but that's going to take time and care and its not going to be easy.
Anayway most of this is just dumb speculation so feel free to reject it but there are my two cents.
No.8560
>>8559Intentionally repressing something so vital about yourself to make your mother happy doesn't sound very cohesive to bonding (i.e., avoiding atomization).
Also your theoretical Mom sounds so fucking sensitive, holy shit. In a slightly different reality she'd be chimping out over her daughter choosing a job different from the one she envisioned her having.
This person is also not demanding acceptance… he literally said that he'd become more closed off from his Mom since their argument, implying he IS giving her space.
No.8562
girls have you been…
>consistently on hormones
>keeping track of levels
>doing self care to minimize blemishes
>learning makeup
>voice training
>wearing new clothes in public
>passing to strangers
>keeping up with feminism
>dating men
>dating women
>dressing according to your age (or gracefully)
>saving up for surgery
No.8563
>>8562never have never will
No.8573
>>8572Agreed, anon. This isn't really a train board. Maybe the LGBT board would be a good idea? Then again, if it ended up being most of the traffic that'd change the culture pretty severely too.
No.8578
>>8573An LGBT board is a bad idea. Those morons fight and argue and spam their foolish opinions and political garbage causing mental pain for all their neighbors. I could see a standalone trans board but why create a new board on such a slow site? This thread shouldn't be pinned and it should probably be on some other board anyway because its not like all trans are unproductive. Should probably have some resources in the OP too.
You know boards are boring. I want a hentai button and whenever you click on it then it randomly fucks up the site CSS into some disgusting hallucinogenic mess while playing the most depraved erotic sounds. How about that? Sadly Sei is the shogun of this site so I must protest the lack of a hentai button by committing Hara-kiri in protest.
>>8379Why can't trans have an interesting agenda? Take over and destroy the family? Pah! The gays and Christians already did that. Destroy civilization? We're already working on that stop stealing! You should try to blow up Mars or send a rocket to the Moon and paint the trans flag on it. When will we get the first trans cruise missile? What about a Moon base or some giant mech with a big fuck you cannon? Your lack of resolve disappoints me.
I'm gonna go stare at the sun right now goodbye.
No.8594
I didn't know where to post this, but is it strange that I'm generally hostile to LGBT stuff but not really that hostile to trans people? Gay guys really annoy me. I don't like being around them and hate them but I don't feel bothered being around trans people. They just seem ordinary to me like any regular person. What explains this behavior?
No.8600
>>8562Yes to all of them except dating women and saving up for surgery (I've had the ones that I want to).
Do I get a trophy?
No.8609
>>8572I don't see a reason why trans people should be actively discouraged from posting here.
No.8610
>>8609I'm not that anon but that's not what they said.
Everyone who identifies as a group identity, trans, christians, blacks, jews, commies, WILL be shit on if they post on the anonymous imageboard cyberspace.
Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned".
On the other hand, balancing group identity discussion is next to impossible in IBs, going to any solutions risk you becoming a toxic hugbox or a toxic fightbox, there is no in between.
So my personal moderation option would be to just do nothing, because honestly I don't see much has changed in terms of anti-trans posters, they're still there occassionally, when they are not, they are doing something else, entertained shitting on trans on other site, or too bored to even bother, because bans on imageboards don't really do anything due to your identity not really tied to anything else, like, in facebook or reddit at least you have to burn an email to avoid bans.
tl;dr shit if you do, shit if you don't
No.8611
>>8610>Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned"This. Being prohibited to say anything even remotely against certain groups is getting worse by the day.
Modern Galileo type of situation
No.8612
>>8610This is just not true. You don't get dogpiled for saying you're autistic, or schizophrenic, we're on a damn NEET board for god's sake, you sure don't get dogpiled for being a NEET. This place doesn't have a race problem because people saying "kill all ninjas" get banned. Group identity itself has never been the problem, it has always been specific group identities.
I'm sad about how this thread turned out. If this were my site I would ban every 4channer and every redditor (or maybe 4channer pretending to be a redditor), delete all their posts, move any remaining meta discussion to a bump locked /sugg/ thread and add "No meta" to the op, but then again I'm not experienced in handling communities so I don't know exactly the repercussions my iron fist would have.
No.8614
>>8611You can say almost whatever you want involving these groups. For example, I can say that I am not a fan of people attempting to adjust existing sex-separated toilets to cater to them and failing miserably by making under-equipped "all-sex", blatantly creepy "sex-divergent" toilets or ones with almost no privacy. This forced pretend inclusiveness usually only makes the experience more awkward for everybody.
And there is a good chance I won't get banned.
The difference is that I am not trying to generalize a group based on a few rotten apples and my existing biases and thus apply collective responsibility, dear anon. I am criticizing particular people for their particular actions.
PS: On the topic of toiler humor, I consider sex-separated toilets a yet another English-lander invention literally everybody would have been happier without.
