/hikki/ - NEET / Advice

i'm closeted non-binary, i feel like a mix of both genders. amab, but always dressed girlish and non-descript. the problem is now im growing body hair and facial hair at rapid rates, and its making me extremely uncomfortable in my own skin. i am also not at the weight i want to be (not skinny, not necessarily fat but noticable), and i am tall. is there anything i can do to mitigate the problems with body hair? it really bothers me even if my boyfriend is okay with it. i've tried epilators before but they hurt too much. hrt is also not an option for me, for various personal reasons.

I know >>8522 is not really trying to help but if anyone seriously needs to diy, htrgen on 4/lgbt/ has good resources. Don't stay on that board any longer than you have to though.

>>8523
>closeted non-binary i feel like a mix of both genders
Don't mean to be rude, but what does this even mean?

>>8524
Not trans but I am mentally ill and have paranoid obsessions about my own body. I go on that board because its the only place I can vent without being called a schizo. The trannies think I'm one of them. I know I shouldn't use it or camp out on boards for other groups, but where else am I supposed to go?

Maybe it would be better to copy those links and sticky them here so nobody has to brave the AIDS infested waters of 4chuds?

i'm a first time poster and felt happy seeing a trans thread here during my idle browsing today. i identify as transmasculine and am commencing HRT next month on my birthday. i'm in my late 20s and have experienced a form of dysphoria since my teens, though am admittedly pretty nervous about finally starting something i've wanted so long. but also overwhelmingly happy! i often leave the clinic grinning so hard i can't stop.
my relationship with my mother has been strained following coming out and discussing HRT as i find she is very misinformed and prejudiced about people like me. my older brother has been very accepting however. if any readers can offer any advice regarding family or maybe exercise techniques/any other tips i would be very grateful!

>>8534
>>8400 and all of the other Aoi posts anon here.

Nice to see another transmasc! I’m really happy for you!! I’m still thinking of hrt, but I hope to be as happy as you are when I make my decision.

Rough to hear about your family though. If I can spare a shared sentiment rather than advice, I have a somewhat distant family who was all kinds of…interesting about trans people. So when I transitioned, I stayed away from her as much as I could. However, I think word got back to her on my transition because she sent me a birthday card with my current name on it, and even complimented it in the card. So, if it’s any comfort, there could still be room to change!

I wish you good luck in your transition!!!

>>8534
> my relationship with my mother has been strained following coming out and discussing HRT
Imagine you had a child. Imagine the pain of childbirth, the difficulty of raising this life, bringing up the daughter you’ve always wanted, only for your child to turn around and tell you that they don’t want to be your daughter. That’s devastating. I know people these days are suckers for “autonomy” and “individuality” and doing their own thing, but remember a mother gets her sense of self, the meaning of her life, from her child and now that child doesn’t want to be the thing she raised. It’s an existential injury. You might not mean it that way but that’s how she could be interpreting it. “My daughter doesn’t want to be my daughter anymore. I’m a bad mother.” That cuts deep. With time she may heal, but there’s a chance she never will even if she comes to accept you which I hope she does.

>i find she is very misinformed and prejudiced about people like me
Don’t think prejudice stems from misinformation. Familiarity can breed hate. America is a country that is extremely nationalist, genocidal, and intolerant of diversity, yet this very country has dedicated whole academic departments to every known human culture and pumps out DEI training. You could inform her, but there’s a chance she won’t like what she finds and will hate you more. In some ways, not knowing the details is better. You know, once upon a time, individuals like yourself were more likely to be accepted in conservative communities. Why? Because such societies had a “if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck” attitude and didn’t care about particulars or knowing the details. “Trans? Don’t know, don’t care, not my business.” Sometimes ignorance is bliss and there’s a chance trying to correct her views or inform her will only backfire, especially if she’s still emotionally torn up about it.

>>8535
really pleased to connect with you here!
it seems distance is the best option for us at the moment… i moved away a little bit before covid to live with my partner on the other side of the country and our connection has been pretty strenuous since, even before i decided to be honest with her about myself.
i'm really pleased she sent you that card though and i can only hope i experience something similar when she realises i'm becoming who i've always wanted to be! wishing you all the best as well, and whether or not you pursue HRT i hope you'll never stop proudly being yourself.
totono has been on my vn backlog for a long time and you've really put my mind back on it!

>>8546
i acknowledge that this is difficult for her as a parent and i've been nothing but considerate of her sensitivities and feelings when discussing my identity with her, but to interpret your child making their own choices as they near 30 years old as a personal attack on you and regarding them still as a mere extension of your womb is, to put it harshly, self-centred. you can't control how others feel, i can't stop her from feeling like she "failed" as a parent, and she has decided to make her politically charged aggression informed by youtube shorts my responsibility, which i find unfair when i never wanted her understanding or acceptance, just for her to be aware; my feeling hurt has just been an unexpected sideeffect i'm pretty mad at myself for!
it doesn't help that her rebuff of sharing what's happening in my life comes after an argument earlier this year in which she implored me to share anything and everything with her, which i foolishly took her up on. as a result i've become more closed off than ever from her, because she's shown me i cannot be myself like she desperately wants. our conversations stick to work or hobby matters now, if at all.
i also disagree with your idea that motherhood becomes a person's sole sense of self/meaning of life and find it derogatory towards mothers. they can and do find happiness outside of their children, and my mother is capable of that too. i saw it happen in my teens!

finally, i'm australian. i'm unfamiliar with and don't understand the amerisphere and am socially informed by a different society to yours.

>>8546
It's very funny that someone on the NEET board should be insinuating someone has made their parents feel like a failure

>>8434
FtM dude here. The bottom growth happens, yes, but it is not really THAT notorious, unless you use some tools to make it grow more big, if you go on T, you may notice it is a little bigger than it used to be, but In my own experience, it doesn´t grow bigger and it is not really that noticeable unless you really look closely.
It may be your own body funky shit on how it reacts to T, but i could promise that you wouldn't sound like Shaggy, being on T is like being back into puberty, but hey, it feels nice to feel comfortable in my own body. My friends have told me my voice has changed and i sound just like a normal guy.

Wishing you the best, bro.

>>8385
You're a NEET who is trying to punch down on other people. I'm not even trans, but to be honest, when you're neet/hikki you have the lowest status in society, so you can't afford to judge other people to this extent. The least you can do is act like a decent person.

>>8548
Just to be clear, I'm not attacking or blaming you. Just trying to point out how someone else might be interpreting/misinterpreting your actions.

Human beings are not atoms as Westerners like to think. We are our relationships. We are defined by our relationship to other people and we naturally want to perfect them. Usually, a husband wants to be a good husband, a mother wants to be a good mother etc. in each case, that's measured by the happiness and fufillment of the person on the other end of the relationship. A mother who has a daughter wants to raise a good daughter, takes pride in having a daughter, and derives meaning from that mother-daughter relationship among other things. If the daughter then comes out as trans, that psychologically throws off the parent. "Like what, I'm not a good mom? She doesn't want to be my daughter now? What happened to my little girl? I fucked up. I raised her wrong" etc. I know Westerners have this attitude of "well I'm an individual so mind your own business" which explains why their society is so fucked up and degenerate but we aren't individuals. We're extremely co-dependent and even things that are well meaning or totally justified can be hurtful to others.

You trying to share could come off as gloating or rejection to her. Other people may not understand your well meaning actions. Demanding acceptance from her is hurting her. It must be a lot to take in for her. Give her time. Think about how complicated it was for you to come to terms with yourself. Right now she might be going through something simmilar.

In a situtation like this, you have to give your mother time to come to terms with it and let her know you'll always be hers. Reassure her that you love her, that she didn't fuck up and be careful about how she might misread your behavior. Don't push her away or ignore her feelings, even if they are hurtful. Its best if you reconcile with her but that's going to take time and care and its not going to be easy.

Anayway most of this is just dumb speculation so feel free to reject it but there are my two cents.

>>8559
Intentionally repressing something so vital about yourself to make your mother happy doesn't sound very cohesive to bonding (i.e., avoiding atomization).

Also your theoretical Mom sounds so fucking sensitive, holy shit. In a slightly different reality she'd be chimping out over her daughter choosing a job different from the one she envisioned her having.

This person is also not demanding acceptance… he literally said that he'd become more closed off from his Mom since their argument, implying he IS giving her space.

girls have you been…
>consistently on hormones
>keeping track of levels
>doing self care to minimize blemishes
>learning makeup
>voice training
>wearing new clothes in public
>passing to strangers
>keeping up with feminism
>dating men
>dating women
>dressing according to your age (or gracefully)
>saving up for surgery

>>8562
never have never will

>>8525
>Don't mean to be rude, but what does this even mean?
basically i simultaneously have mental traits of both genders while conforming to nethier uniformly or entirely. hard to explain but i don't feel male or female represents me but aspects of both do. i'm not non-binary in the sense that nethier gender represents me as a whole, but non-binary in the sense that there are aspects of certain genders that represent me but i don't fit nicely into one if that makes sense. as a result i don't identify with male or female, but feel like a hodgepodge between the two. i also feel like it may be something genetic or biological too, since I was a fraternal twin with a female sister and share a lot of personality/traits while being entirely different too.

It's a good idea to contain discussion in this thread, but it's a bad idea to pin it.
It sets the wrong tone and makes it look like this is the trans hideout when it's not. So if YOU, yes YOU don't want hikki to become another trans hugbox discord server, please unpin it

>>8572
Agreed, anon. This isn't really a train board. Maybe the LGBT board would be a good idea? Then again, if it ended up being most of the traffic that'd change the culture pretty severely too.

>>8573
An LGBT board is a bad idea. Those morons fight and argue and spam their foolish opinions and political garbage causing mental pain for all their neighbors. I could see a standalone trans board but why create a new board on such a slow site? This thread shouldn't be pinned and it should probably be on some other board anyway because its not like all trans are unproductive. Should probably have some resources in the OP too.

You know boards are boring. I want a hentai button and whenever you click on it then it randomly fucks up the site CSS into some disgusting hallucinogenic mess while playing the most depraved erotic sounds. How about that? Sadly Sei is the shogun of this site so I must protest the lack of a hentai button by committing Hara-kiri in protest.

>>8379
Why can't trans have an interesting agenda? Take over and destroy the family? Pah! The gays and Christians already did that. Destroy civilization? We're already working on that stop stealing! You should try to blow up Mars or send a rocket to the Moon and paint the trans flag on it. When will we get the first trans cruise missile? What about a Moon base or some giant mech with a big fuck you cannon? Your lack of resolve disappoints me.

I'm gonna go stare at the sun right now goodbye.

>>8578
So true.

>>8578
The reason this thread is on /hikki/ is because there were multiple standalone trans threads appearing here organically. It very much does belong here, being pinned? Eh I don't know if it makes a difference or not it's a very active thread and people are going to moan about it no matter what form it takes.

I didn't know where to post this, but is it strange that I'm generally hostile to LGBT stuff but not really that hostile to trans people? Gay guys really annoy me. I don't like being around them and hate them but I don't feel bothered being around trans people. They just seem ordinary to me like any regular person. What explains this behavior?

>>8562
Yes to all of them except dating women and saving up for surgery (I've had the ones that I want to).
Do I get a trophy?

>>8594
Death to you for not hating both(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>8572
I don't see a reason why trans people should be actively discouraged from posting here.

>>8609
I'm not that anon but that's not what they said.

Everyone who identifies as a group identity, trans, christians, blacks, jews, commies, WILL be shit on if they post on the anonymous imageboard cyberspace.

Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned".

On the other hand, balancing group identity discussion is next to impossible in IBs, going to any solutions risk you becoming a toxic hugbox or a toxic fightbox, there is no in between.

So my personal moderation option would be to just do nothing, because honestly I don't see much has changed in terms of anti-trans posters, they're still there occassionally, when they are not, they are doing something else, entertained shitting on trans on other site, or too bored to even bother, because bans on imageboards don't really do anything due to your identity not really tied to anything else, like, in facebook or reddit at least you have to burn an email to avoid bans.

tl;dr shit if you do, shit if you don't

>>8610
>Making a trans thread will only be read as "hey, this is that trans site, if you are a contrarian you will be banned"

This. Being prohibited to say anything even remotely against certain groups is getting worse by the day.
Modern Galileo type of situation

>>8610
This is just not true. You don't get dogpiled for saying you're autistic, or schizophrenic, we're on a damn NEET board for god's sake, you sure don't get dogpiled for being a NEET. This place doesn't have a race problem because people saying "kill all ninjas" get banned. Group identity itself has never been the problem, it has always been specific group identities.
I'm sad about how this thread turned out. If this were my site I would ban every 4channer and every redditor (or maybe 4channer pretending to be a redditor), delete all their posts, move any remaining meta discussion to a bump locked /sugg/ thread and add "No meta" to the op, but then again I'm not experienced in handling communities so I don't know exactly the repercussions my iron fist would have.

>>8612
readtherulesforonceyoumelonposter.

>>8611
You can say almost whatever you want involving these groups. For example, I can say that I am not a fan of people attempting to adjust existing sex-separated toilets to cater to them and failing miserably by making under-equipped "all-sex", blatantly creepy "sex-divergent" toilets or ones with almost no privacy. This forced pretend inclusiveness usually only makes the experience more awkward for everybody.

And there is a good chance I won't get banned.

The difference is that I am not trying to generalize a group based on a few rotten apples and my existing biases and thus apply collective responsibility, dear anon. I am criticizing particular people for their particular actions.

PS: On the topic of toiler humor, I consider sex-separated toilets a yet another English-lander invention literally everybody would have been happier without.

Sei is trans. It only natural for him to protect a group of people he belongs to. Even if they're in a single digits from all the visitors. Just let him do what he desires. You are free to not agree with him, but I don't think any arguments will shake him enough to bring any changes to existing set of rules.

I do wish, however, for Sei to care more about Yume Nikki folks rather than trans ones. Even though the vast majority of Yume Nikki folks these days are from rainbow people's group.

Let this be an end of discussion. We must not derail any further.

>>8615
>It only natural for him to protect a group of people he belongs to
I too, am part of a niche that revolves around a certain fetish. But that's where it ends. Most people would just jack off and call it a day. If there's any communities discussing the fetish, it's all casual "last thing you've fapped to" stuff. Nothing that makes us treat it like a part of our identity, nothing to convert others into liking it, nothing to seethe about when someone makes fun of it online, or cause a chaotic real life situation.
This shit's different. People nowadays think it's 100% part of their identity, are trying to convert confused people, throw tantrums when anyone says a remotely negative little thing, online or real life. But hey, Amazon says it's valid and good.

>>8616
Perhaps because becoming transgender involves making changes to a person's identity? I'm not a trans myself, so whatever I say is nothing but theory crafting, but if a male wants to become a female - they gotta identify themselves as a female, right? Act like a female, talk like a female, trying their best to look like a female, etc. Transitioning from one sex to another brings changes to a person's identity, therefore becomes a part of identity.

Having a fetish doesn't change the one's identity. You're still the same individual as you were before obtaining that fetish, you just jerk off to what makes you aroused the most.

But yeah, confused people must seek therapy instead of listening to retards from anonymous imageboards, and some trans folks must get some chill in their life, I agree with that.

>>8617

Aoi anon back with a vengeance lol

As a trans person I can make this call, and I say this sentiment is both pretty correct and doesn’t capture the whole story.

See, changing identity is a bit of a reductive summary. It’s more along the lines of ‘becoming what you always were’. A trans woman was always a woman, but she couldn’t come into that identity until she realized that’s who she was. Similar with me, I was raised a girl, but I was always non binary and when I started transitioning, i came more into that true identity. It just looked like a change of identity to people on the outside.

(Though, I will say, I can’t speak for all trans people. This is just what I’ve observed in both myself and who’s around me)

Fetishes, on the other hand, aren’t a part of identity. They can be if you’re more into the s&m scene (which is fair enough, I know some people in those circles), but they’re not as fundamental a part of you as your gender identity. I can say this because I have some odd fetishes myself, and they’re not a focal part of me like my transness is. It’s just a thing I have.

But again, you know, I can’t speak for everyone.

>>8617
>Perhaps because becoming transgender involves making changes to a person's identity?
The whole idea of being a tranny stems from autogynephilia - a fetish in which men idolize feminine traits, and attempt to become feminine themselves. A man's attraction to femininity is a perfectly natural thing. Hell, I'd even say that casual thoughts of imagining oneself as a woman isn't inherently a bad thing. A lot of people I know, myself included, were kinda into that fantasy for a while in middle school. Nothing's wrong with just imagining something.
Trying to adopt feminine traits though, is not even worth ignoring the absurdity, no matter how woke today's culture has become.
>Transitioning from one sex to another
Did chromosome change become a thing? Humans aren't able to change what they were born with between their legs. Even the manufacturing issues, or "intersex" can be explained with ease, Klinefelter's syndrome for example.
Maybe you meant to say gender, but that's a term popularized by the crazy doctor doing unspeakable things to two boys.
>But yeah, confused people must seek therapy instead of listening to retards from anonymous imageboards
Double meaning there. If therapy was more socially accepted, this thread wouldn't exist. And if retards online weren't able to fool millions of impressionable people, this thread wouldn't exist either.

>>8616
>>8619
I'm aware that trying to change people's minds on highly politicized issues is pointless, but bullshit going uncontested is how it infects neutral minds, so I'll say my piece and leave.

Gender dysphoria is NOT fetishistic. It is pain. When a fetishist transitions that is what we call "a bad decision". Tragically, those treating their life of pain and those looking to get railed in heels are now known under the same name, but until gender dysphoric people started to become just accepted enough that fetishists could co-opt them, the former was what "transgender" meant. So if you want to use language that illucidates the truth rather than hides it, you can acknowledge these two categories and call the first one trans, rather than continue with this embarrasingly retarded notion that an action must always have the same motivation.
If you need an example, I have had gender dysphoria since I was a kid. My body's and persona's masculinity has always felt disgustingly wrong and caused me many nights of writhing pain and merciful dissociation. I have a much lower sex drive than most men and never got into porn because seeing naked bodies upsets me and the things they do with them are disgusting. It's not necessary to be this sexless in order to be trans, but it makes me a good counterexample to this falsehood.
As for the amazon thing, I don't know why neoliberalism or whatever you'd call it happens, but it's hardly our fault and a lot of us aren't very happy about it.

Maybe you won't believe me because you have a crossdressing fetish and can't imagine any motivation to transition other than that. If that is the case, you must expand your willingness to understand humanity outside what you are capable of experiencing, otherwise you have no right to speak about other people. This might be scary because you will realise your theory of mind is incomplete and that you don't really know what is going on behind someone's eyes, but it is the only way if you're interested in the truth.

>>8620
>trying to change people's minds on highly politicized issues
This ain't a political issue. No matter what the government says about pride, rights, lefts or whatever else they'll come up with next, dysphoria is purely psychological. It's an issue that modern doctors will refuse to solve the right way.
Identity crises can always be treated with no harm or ill intent to the patient, but I guess convincing oneself into being something completely different is woke and prog.
>So if you want to use language that illucidates the truth rather than hides it
If we're really going into semantics, then let's deconstruct the word "fetish". Ignoring its origins in spirituality and superstition, it's an "excessive fixation or devotion to particular thoughts and ideas".
Even if the word is associated with sexual interests nowadays, its general meaning doesn't have roots in sexuality at all. So one could say that it's accurate to consider dysphoria fetishistic, since it's a pretty clear example of the general definition.
>My body's and persona's masculinity has always felt disgustingly wrong
>I have a much lower sex drive than most men
>seeing naked bodies upsets me and the things they do with them are disgusting
Sounds a lot like a hormonal imbalance of sorts. The inability to be attracted to sex isn't what a healthy person could experience, so maybe you should try introducing more healthy habits into your life. Being unfaithful to one's intended role as a reproductive species means there's clearly something wrong with one's lifestyle.
>Maybe you won't believe me because you have a crossdressing fetish and can't imagine any motivation to transition other than that
I don't think my posts were supposed to imply that I have a thing for crossdressing. Fantasies from middle school and the current stuff I'm into aren't connected in any way, and even less so related to crossdressing and trannies.
>you must expand your willingness to understand humanity outside what you are capable of experiencing
Humanity has been completely ruined by the modern world. Our animalistic roots were ignored by a more comfortable, and resulted in a less fulfilling life full of imbalance and disease.
The modern way of living simply isn't what we were made for, and it's pretty much impossible to avoid unless you flee in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere.
>it is the only way if you're interested in the truth
Let's be real, the truth is definitely not taking some pills and think it'll make you feel better

I was going to make a genuine thread elsewhere on the site, but I came across this in recent and I have lost all motivation to contribute. Good job.

>>8622
>Identity crises can always be treated with no harm or ill intent to the patient
you have described the concept of transition, congratulations.
>If we're really going into semantics, then let's deconstruct the word "fetish". Ignoring its origins in spirituality and superstition, it's an "excessive fixation or devotion to particular thoughts and ideas".
Even if the word is associated with sexual interests nowadays, its general meaning doesn't have roots in sexuality at all. So one could say that it's accurate to consider dysphoria fetishistic, since it's a pretty clear example of the general definition.
let's not be disingenuous here. everyone knows exactly what people mean when they say "it's a fetish". in trying to be such a pedant, you've made a point that says nothing at all.
>Being unfaithful to one's intended role as a reproductive species means there's clearly something wrong with one's lifestyle.
this is a weird argument to attempt to make in most any context, imo. in your reply, it not only serves little than to highlight the trolling nature of your post (how many in /hikki/ can say they've had sex in the past year or more, nevermind having ever had sex to procreate; and how many can genuinely say they wish to procreate whilst being part of a demographic with so much pornography addiction and hentai viewers), it further makes your last point null: you can't claim transgender issues is inherently "fetishistic", no matter what silly definition you're going to try to push in your reply, and then try to argue that some people's lack of comfortableness with or drive towards sex is strange. unless you want your views to be called inherently fetishistic, too?
>Let's be real, the truth is definitely not taking some pills and think it'll make you feel better
and neither is the truth anywhere in your posts, but no one is telling you to stop

>>8623
weird way to out yourself as a li'l snowflake, but okay

>>8620
Just for clarity >>8624 is not me, I am holding back counterarguments in the hope that this shit dies.

>>8623
Sorry anon.

>>8624
>you have described the concept of transition, congratulations.
Transition doesn't treat identity crisis. By propagating the idea of transition, the patient is only fooled into thinking that some pills can somehow change them into something their bodies were clearly never designated to be. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a child's thinking that they really are a superhero or pirate. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a man to become more feminine, because the said man claims he doesn't feel masculine and it makes him wanna die.
>you've made a point that says nothing at all
It's the act of obsessing over an insane concept. A concept that lives in one's head rent-free, it won't leave their heads until they end up the way they wanted to, which turns into bragging and desperately seeking validation.
Last few decades have been degrading for language anyway. Words are now being butchered and mangled in favor of a simple and shallow meaning.
>how many in /hikki/ can say they've had sex in the past year or more, nevermind having ever had sex to procreate
Being hikki means that we're at one of the bottom ends of society. Our natural instincts and impulses clash with people's natural need to interact with each other, without the rules that have been imposed to "control the chaos".
>and how many can genuinely say they wish to procreate whilst being part of a demographic with so much pornography addiction and hentai viewers
You might not accept it, but we all wanna fuck and make healthy kids. It's the bullshit of the modern world says "NO" and makes us think that way. The simple answer is buried under the midden of rules, classes, social hierarchy, and millions of other bullshit reasons. The ability to satisfy those urges by oneself is a curse, and is to blame for so many sex-related issues, down to simple fetishes.
>you can't claim transgender issues is inherently "fetishistic", no matter what silly definition you're going to try to push in your reply, and then try to argue that some people's lack of comfortableness with or drive towards sex is strange. unless you want your views to be called inherently fetishistic, too?
Then why the dude's obsession? Why would someone go through a process of doing irreversible damage to the body, just to live an unrealistic and regrettable fantasy? What purpose is there to fulfill, if there's nothing but a strong desire to live a fantasy? I can only think of one word
And what's there to be fetishistic about my views? There's a bunch of people more obsessed with their hatred. I'm not the type to put in the effort of documenting every single thing that some tranny has done, and upload it on Kiwi Farms or whatever. Those people are doing an amazing job of proving their points, despite the obsession. Might as well thank them for all the work.

>>8626
>No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a child's thinking that they really are a superhero or pirate. No sane treatment of identity crisis will encourage a man to become more feminine, because the said man claims he doesn't feel masculine and it makes him wanna die.
equating a child's (completely natural btw) tendencies to experiment with identity and desire with what an adult is expressing as a factual and treatable medical issue is weird. indeed, the natural tendency of all humans to ruminate on their current self and any internalised ideal or more comfortable/preferable self isn't something to criticise, so i find your fixation on all transitioning people to be deluded men weird.
>just to live an unrealistic and regrettable fantasy
your subjective view is quite narrow to be making a broad generalisation, my man. what someone achieved by transitioning is for them to decide, and in nearly every actual, healthcare-professional-monitored instance the result is neither unrealistic nor regrettable. what you see lurking 'chans and Kiwi Farms is the smallest sliver of internet cringe, and not representative.
your posts are full of these kinds of strange fixations. you make the classic mistake of thinking all transpeople are like Chrischan, the born-again male-to-female weirdos at the fringes of transgender issues. you're making broad strokes to cover up the fact your genuine phobia towards transgender people is based upon nothing but your distorted internet-dweller lifestyle.
i shouldn't expect any less from /hikki/, i know, but…

>>8625
i didn't mean to hijack your conversation and neither do i want to continue any shit-flinging you think is going on. but for lack of extra input, anon has managed to neckbeard his way into shitting up what should be a cool thread, and i think that's disappointing.

Everyone's trying to stop us living free but we won't let em. Hope all my trans anons and ubuu brothers are having a beautiful day.

Smug indifference might fool other people but it won't fool me. I know of the hate that festers inside of you, eating away at your soul as each day passes by.
Its only a matter of time, really.

>>8627
>desire with what an adult is expressing as a factual and treatable medical issue
If those thoughts have stayed to adulthood, or god forbid came after puberty, they cannot be called a natural tendency anymore. It's just a twisted thought at that point.
Also, most things in the medical world are manipulated by the government, worsened by them to make our society shittier, or used as marketing to squeeze out money for le science.
"Muh medicine better now cuz it new and say trans rights", but actual advancement doesn't even happen without heavy compromise anymore. Your shrink might support you and give some pills, but that's a result of the declining standards in medicine.
The only treatment is paying a private doctor independent of political and commercial bullshit, who can easily apply a healthy treatment. But I guess none of you would ever want that, because it clashes with your rose-tinted glasses.
>the natural tendency of all humans to ruminate on their current self and any internalised ideal or more comfortable/preferable self isn't something to criticise
The human mind is a dangerous thing. It's fairly easy to go off the deep end should you get lost in thought for too long.
It can cause a whole lot of wonderful things like, depersonalization and derealization, not to mention the questions about your own identity.
Of course hikki are affected by this, we've got so much free time to think about anything. The main problem is that people don't wanna set some clear boundaries, which wouldn't have caused you to go so far off the road.
>and in nearly every actual, healthcare-professional-monitored instance the result is neither unrealistic nor regrettable
Right. You wanna be reminded of a certain percentage?
>what you see lurking 'chans and Kiwi Farms is the smallest sliver of internet cringe, and not representative
Believe me, I tried to be open-minded before. It never worked, and was a horrible experience at all times.
>your genuine phobia towards transgender people is based upon nothing but your distorted internet-dweller lifestyle
Believe me buddy, I've talked to my parents and grandparents about this, who've been informed with the ever-changing views for decades.
They've all given a whole set of reasons I agree with, and my fellow internet-dwellers just so happen share the same opinions.
>i shouldn't expect any less from /hikki/, i know, but…
It's just sad to see this board warp and mangle over time. One of the last little corners on the web has had its soul drained out completely, and I can't be the only one mad at how much worse it can keep getting.

anti trans retards sound almost exactly like anti psychiatry retards

really makes you think…

I'm still discovering myself, but, at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm not cisgender. I'm from a very christian household and this makes everything even harder. The existence of this thread is pretty cool! I don't know if there is a lot of transphobes around here, tho.

>>8630
Did you know that the topic of discussion is a social movement, not strictly a particular medical procedure? This discussion isn't about cutting or sewing any funny looking balls. Yet.

>most things in the medical world are manipulated by the government
I thought that such beliefs are landlocked to America and it's PTSD of a medical system. Sad to see that isn't the case. In the majority of actually developed Europe the healthcare is actually kinda okay. Even if the mental healthcare is not awesome. But it's plausible that it's a tad worse in countries such as Serbia, Serbia or Russia.

In addition, it sounds like you want to resolve a proposed political intervention into the medical world with additional political interventions into the medical world that do not reverse the previous ones. The War on Drugs went excellently, didn't it?

>The main problem is that people don't wanna set some clear boundaries [for own thought]
Wouldn't you look at it, a proposal of literal thought crimes. That also always went great.

>>8632
Don't go around doxing yourself and you should be okay. Welcome to the website for an ancient walking simulator video game and its impact on the wider culture.

>>8630
>muh political trend
just stop pretending to be here to do anything but waste your own time, lol. you're talking out of your arse, and you know it. shooting down accepted medical literature and - in many places that i suspect you'd otherwise call "civilised" - actual law with the excuse of "but it's all a political movement controlling the medicinemen" is laughable.
>le suicide percentage meme
maybe if transgender healthcare was given adequate funding, better proposals being ratified into medical practice and law, and easier access to support during and after transitional milestones, that percentage wouldn't exist.
then again, if transgender people didn't have to put up with people like you, that percentage would be a little lower, too.
>opinions of old irl people vs the internet
the internet is not a space solely composed of zoomies, even if they dictate much of the popular media's culture. much of the transphobia on-and-offline come from the same sources. for a multitude of reasons, younger people tend towards progressivism. what you've said is no great revelation, and only reinforces my point: you're stuck online, your opinions are influenced by what you see online, and you're letting the transgender boogeyman in your head fester online. whether the people around you offline also agree with your fear is moot.

i'm going to stop taking your b8 now. i hope any transanons from here on know that this nerd here isn't getting replied to because they're right, or because other anons fear their responses. they're just transphobic for transphobia's sake, and are not worth your time.

>>8633
>Did you know that the topic of discussion is a social movement
Yes, a social movement you'd do anything for to "win". Even if you're "winning" now, your chromosomes will never change. Humans aren't clownfish to change their sex out of necessity (not like transitioning is even done out of necessity in the first place).
>Even if the mental healthcare is not awesome
There will never be a definitive solution to mental healthcare, as long as civilization exists. It's the only issue that keeps fucking us in the head. No wonder why the rise of mental illness coincides with the technological boom of mid-20th century.
>it's a tad worse in countries such as Serbia, Serbia or Russia
Because ex-communist Slavic countries are shitholes, with a terrible environment and a culture that could collapse at any moment (former Yugoslavia especially).
>it sounds like you want to resolve a proposed political intervention into the medical world with additional political interventions into the medical world that do not reverse the previous ones
Abolishing the new "woke and le cool le epic prog" rules in psychiatry with political intervention is impossible, troonon. What the opposing side thinks is irrelevant for the medical world, especially if a new idea is pushed that doesn't make sense on a biological level. Mixing up biology and politics only leads to mutilation.
>The War on Drugs went excellently, didn't it?
Tranny enabling is unfortunately legal, recreational drugs rarely are. While both will fuck up your body and the brain, at least the psychiatrists wouldn't encourage your delusions.
War on drugs was a campaign that made little to no sense in the long run. Opioids, coke and weed all exist in nature, and tracking down every poppy flower or dude weed lmao is virtually impossible. Of course the protests, or annoying ads before Street Fighter didn't do anything.
Hormone pills can only be made artificially, or (if you're a maddo saientisuto so kuuru) extracting them from a living person. While the end of tranny encouraging would significantly reduce the number of victims, some sketchy folks would still make artificial pills and send them to children illegally (many such cases happening as we speak).
In the end, those would still be selling illegal drugs. 40mg of Xanax inside if you're lucky.
>a proposal of literal thought crimes
It's funny how you wanna make me sound like an Orwellian dictator by excluding the rest of my point.
Being able to resist overthinking about insane shit, making yourself insane in the process, ain't Newspeak in the slightest sense.
Nietzsche was based, but went crazy for overthinking WAY over the boundaries of what is even remotely healthy. You think it's Newspeak if he had stopped before the point of no return?

>>8634
>shooting down accepted medical literature
>actual law with the excuse of "but it's all a political movement controlling the medicinemen" is laughable
You take muh accepted medical literature for granted. Do you really believe that all they say is 100% truth? You're being controlled, and all the medical world prioritizes most is those sweet, sweet Shekels.
They don't care if you need to get a home equity loan to bogpill your wife to the max, or buy ten lifetime supplies of pinkpills. They can advertise in the most convincing way possible, but the upper echelon will only be in it for the money.
>maybe if [doctors got more woke], that percentage wouldn't exist
No amount of advancement could save you people from the eventually inevitable regret in the future. It would be 0% if no thoughts had ever been turned into actions
>if transgender people didn't have to put up with people like you, that percentage would be a little lower, too
If trannies didn't ruin everything they touched, Azumanga Daioh and Lain would still be niche shows with chill fans.
>the internet is not a space solely composed of zoomies, even if they dictate much of the popular media's culture
So? Niche corners of the Internet I used to like are getting infested by zoomzooms every day. The Internet may not solely be comprised of them, but they're a hurricane that no one can recover from. I might as well blame everything on them
>you're stuck online, your opinions are influenced by what you see online
kek
>whether the people around you offline also agree with your fear is moot
Family and real life friends have still kept their opinion even after the media is propagating rainbow shit every day now, which they're either pissed off at or ignore entirely. And I'm sure as hell not expecting my parents or grandparents to come out.