/hikki/ - NEET / Advice

>admin please do not lock this thread
damn, look at this guy knowing the admins intended culture

Institutions already alienate us, why should we care for their rigid definitions? I think there is a difference between NEET and Hiki but the Hikis themselves should define this. Considering the complexity and variation of humans at large I'd imagine there are gradients of hikikomori. I don't know where that line is between hiki and NEET but a ridged adherence to strict definitions only creates walled gardens, at least with things like this. Discussing what a hiki is isn't the same as something more concrete like physics.

>>6136
>I think there is a difference between NEET and Hiki

The only difference is one can be social while not contributing to society the other is isolated completely or nearly completely here is some more interesting info i found on some Japanese websites regarding hikikomori.

From Japanese Wikipedia.

引きこもり（引き籠もり[1]、ひきこもり、英語表記 hikikomori[2]）とは、仕事や学校に行けず家に籠り、家族以外とほとんど交流がない人の状況を指す。現時点では、日本の厚生労働省はこうした状態が6か月以上続いた場合を定義としている

Acute Social Withdrawal (Withdrawal [1], Withdrawal English notation Hikikomori [2]) refers to the situation where people cannot go to work or school, stay at home, and have little interaction with their family. At present, the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare defines these conditions as having lasted for more than six months.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/引きこもり


引きこもりの定義と全国の引きこもりに関するデータ
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NEET The acronym for (Not In Education Employment Or Training) The acronym NEET refers to those who have given up and refuse to attend school work or vocational training

Freeter フリーター

Japan's word to describe those who work part-time jobs with low pay and have a hard time earning a living.

Hikikomori 引きこもり

Hikikomori is a Japanese term when translated into English it means pulling inward being confined (Acute social withdrawal) it is Japan's word to describe those who have isolated themselves in their parents house refuse to attend school or work and stay in their bedrooms for very long periods at a time due to social and cultural reasons related to Japanese society (Generally 6 months)

Unemployed Person

A unemployed person is someone who is temporarily unemployed but still seeking out employment looking for a job and is willing to work

Self-Employed Person
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just try to catch up*

>>6127
Plenty of people either do those things because they want to, or because they think they can find additional social acceptance for having done them (which is really just another way of saying they want to do them). If wanting to do them doesn't apply to you, then don't. But understand what frequently befalls those who choose not to do those things.

I was a loser a few months ago. I'm still a loser, but now I can play the piano at a very bad grade 2, draw very poorly, and just about understand Japanese spoken by a small child.
Still, I'd recommend it, especially if you're a NEET like I am, since you'll be doing something with your time. I started doing these because I wanted to.
My regret is not starting earlier, since I'd be way more proficient than I am now, and probably enjoying it more since I won't have the frustrations that come with being inept at things.

I'm looking for a place like mentioned too. All I have is a small twitter circle of people but something like a discord does sound kind of tempting.

Penpal sites

Try smaller discords, facebook groups, forums, etc. It's also good to look for communities centered around something that interests you, so you already know what topics to break the ice with when starting a conversation.

These "plz direct me to obscure net circles" threads are always awful, but are there seriously people recommending facebook groups? Listen anonymous; every single hangout on the internet revolves around hobbies. You can browse forums dedicated to knitting cute sweaters, to finding torrent groups willing to share the most FUBR fetish porn vids. Think to yourself what activity on the internet do you partake in the most. If you like saving pictures of anime girls you found on pixiv, *insert imageboard community* exists for that. Despite what some people might tell you, forums and IRC haven't been taken over by reddit or anything of the sort.
>anyone have tips for making friends while being a hikki
For the record, people that "want to be friends on the internet" will want to mic chat with you or pressure you into doing things for them. They want friends that have a skill set. If you don't have any real skills like drawing, music or programming, for example, then they'll probably ghost you or kick you from whatever group you share.

>>6125
Well personally I like browsing the sanctionedsuicide forums but I don't know if it counts as a hobby or not.

>>6086
You have talked yourself into a paranoid delusion about PC costs and functionality. Nothing I can say will talk you out of it because you use it as an excuse for your failings.

>>6088

>>>6086
>Translation: "I know better what goes on in your country than you do, faggot!"

So GFY.

I think the answer to "Why is it like this" is that most people simply receive their opinions from others by tradition and don't think about things that much themselves, this leads to massive inertia when it comes to 'major' changes to perception and organisation of society. Their opinions are also very much aligned with their own PERCEIVED economic interests - central banks create money out of nothing, lend it to government and banks, creating a 'debt hierarchy' that most people are too busy caught up in climbing to question. Because of the amount of wealth, stability, etc in the world today most people in this hierarchy ARE doing relatively well for themselves (at the expense of those below them), most of these people are also very focused on the idea of climbing high enough in the hierarchy that they can essentially either live without working by relying on those lower in the hierarchy, or live and work for personal fulfillment with an increasingly luxurious lifestyle. NEETS under this system have little to no resources to really even express their views as individuals let alone politically organise to the point of creating coherent and loud enough narratives to 'convince' a bunch of people to stop climbing the hierarchy in the interests of everyone.

This is something you might experience first hand directly from wagies. The wagies in my family all have this internalised mentality that because they work and I don't, they are justified in treating me like dirt, practically. They partly do this because they RESENT the fact that you're surviving without doing the work they are, and probably resent you too for having slightly more independence and strength of character to resist. These people are absorbed in climbing the hierarchy most of the time and so they don't have the time to consider more rational systems. In some funny ways, NEETs have more in common with the super-rich leisure classes than the average person working away at their job, because the elites have time and leisure to consider alternatives.

The irrationality and unfairness of the present system could never be more obvious - I have spoken to multiple people who simply inherited so much money that they'll never have to work a day in their lives, while other people wear their bodies and minds out day after day serving people who are higher up in the hierarchy. Lots of people simply repress any awareness of all of this, though - because as I said they're trying to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>What makes the difference in the way a NEET and someone who turns their hobby and cult of personality into a "job"?

One thing about this is that you might not realise it, but a disproportionate amount of those who become successful Youtubers etc today are already from middle\upper-middle class families, with a degree of leisure and enough spare money to try things out without risking falling into poverty. It boils my blood to think of the number of talentless youtubers who get paid by a megacorporation to repeat memes that were made for free by people 10 years ago. They pillage the public sphere for their own selfish purposes, ruining internet culture and prostituting everything, and most of them don't even really need the money.

You're also mostly only seeing the 'successes' when you see these 'Youtube celebs' online. If you look around you can find people who tried hard, and even put in a lot of effort and got nowhere on Youtube, and even then you're looking at those who tried to make a go of things on Youtube, rather than the many more people trapped slaving away in wage labour or stuck in NEET obscurity.

>>6103
very good post i agree

>>6104
very good post i agree

i dont like any of the other posts.

Nothing lasts forever man, not even when life is going good for you. Don’t beat yourself up about it, more than likely it’s something that wasn’t entirely in your control. But hey, look at it this way, if you were able to drag yourself out of being a recluse already what’s stopping you from doing it again? Just don’t give yourself the option of going back to your previous lifestyle, as enticing as it may be at times.

Exact same situation here. I would write many things and I have thought about it so much but in the end it's just that. I have no answers, sadly…

My life's goal is to tell the stories of people like you guys.
Too often we only hear from the people who succeeded, who made it in life, who had the ideal family and kids, house and car, job, status, etc. … the 'winners' in other words… and so we have a natural bias towards those types of people, and it unfairly colours our opinions. But in reality, most people don't win; most people fail, but we never hear from them because they don't make it.
Basically, I'm saying that you have a story worth telling, so for that reason alone, you have a duty to come through this, because I know there's at least one person out there who needs to hear it.

>>5920
I wouldn't say contrasted. Strong people can afford to be compassionate and forgiving, while weak people need to viciously scrabble around in the dirt for whatever leverage they can find.

>>5920
Compassion, empathy, is relative to how much you sympathize with someone (or some thing). If you cannot relate to them then you can't have compassion. It's relative to what part of a group you are in. It's meant to keep people or things working together so it adds strength to the group and is not in it's opposite direction at all. An individual is weaker than a large group of sissies. It's why the neanderthals died. They used to eat each other and didn't communicate as well. But were stronger. It didn't save them. They couldn't get along.

>>6036
>From a secular perspective Einstein's theory of relativity could be taken as proof for a deterministic universe, implying that we don't have free will
Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

>>6037
>Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Consciousness arises through some process within the brains of certain animals.
Since the universe is causal; consciousness arises through causality, any "decision" made by a consciousness is predetermined by external inputs and internal feedback loops–themselves determined by external input prior.
Since consciousness is predetermined by causal relation no consciousness can express free will because every "decision" it makes is governed wholly by causal process in the same way that an apple falls from a tree.
Since Humans have consciousness, and are within the universe, human consciousness is governed by causality.
Therefore humans don't have free will as free will requires independence from causality.

Einstein was a philosophical determinist and the implications of relativity are that there is no free will. Einstein:
>The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events — that is, if he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it goes through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
See third paragraph under section "Belief in an afterlife."
TOR is not just a tool. If it is an accurate conception of the mechanics of the universe–which there is no reason to currently doubt–it has very profound philosophical implications.

>>6038
>If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Uh, TOR can't predict anything at atomic level. It's one of the biggest problems in modern physic; how to tie quantum physics with the macro physics of the universe. Also, not all stimuli from the external world is a consequence of a bunch of charged particles with mass running throughout space, humans are rather irrational and quite unpredictable. Laplace's demon theory is interesting as a thought experiment until you consider how modern physics works.

Those quotes by Einstein have nothing to do with the theory in on itself but with his view of the universe. The idea that the universe is deterministic comes from the fact that we can build mathematical models that are by nature deterministic, and what Einstein implies there is that we have to consider the universe deterministic because our models work well with that. But we also have probabilistic models such as the ones used in quantum physics, which don't cross with anything we can perceive in this universe; just because we *see* things it doesn't mean the things we don't see do not exist.
Determinism is just applicable within the model, but even then the model is not necessarily perfect on all cases in the real world. In fact, the model predicts things that aren't necessarily truth at all (the existence of negative mass, for example). Hell, check kirchoff laws and try to explain me why they don't work at high frequencies and how determinism works with any of that, it just doesn't make sense.

It just feels like philosophers love to cherrypick words and concepts without even understanding the underlying implications.

>>3825
>Feel protected when inside my room
Same. You described my situation perfectly. I think social rejection will contribute to creating an avoidant personality.

>>3788
>even trying after 11 years

Sounds like quarter or mid life crisis. Accept who you are.

OP, I feel the same way as you do, the constant feeling people want to do something bad to me is the chief reason that drove into neethood, sometimes I feel like they want to kill me and it makes me feel depression, fright and rage, it sucks to have nothing in common with people from your area, it makes them want to fuck up your life just for the hell of it.

I hope my oekaki makes you feel a little better, friend.

>>5746
just wanted to let you know that this post seriously helped me and to give you my appreciation. thank you so much.

>how can I not feel paranoid around others?
I don't think that's possible. The only advice I have is to engage with people as long as it benefits you, but nothing more. If they bother or belittle you? Avoid them and be paranoid all you want because it's never without a reason.
I experience something similar. My mother says she loves me but judging by her behaviour, I think she actually wants me to fail and is working actively towards it.

>>5730
I feel the same way. I get social anxiety and paranoid thoughts all the time. Go to a therapist and get some anti-depressants.

Im just like you

>>5751
It sucks to have anxiety mixed with poor social skills but you should really try to finish uni. Once you're done with that then just find a job in IT where you don't really have to deal with people in person and you'll be fine.

>>5751
If you're really an IT major then the cutting edge for you would be learning every shell you can possibly learn.

As in, become fluent in Unix and Bash, learn PowerShell, learn how to script in all of those, and try your hand at other CLIs as well, like maybe Cisco IOS or Python scripting.

If you can demonstrate proficiency in these things you're 10x more employable than the average schmuck that only has Windows based certifications or whatever the case is. IT is moving towards automation. Learn programming and scripting.

Sorry for not replying in a long time,I have not really made much progress.I am better though.
Soo,I have managed to go to a total of 3 hours of attendence last semester,no exams done,but I will start going from this new semester,this is the first week,I really plan on going this time!No jobs yet,but the internship period is starting,my university might help me with that.
>>5984
I am from Europe,I don't know how the major definition works but I am at an IT profile for Computer Science.
Do you have any sources from when you started learning?Like some books maybe?I have some myself and found some more but I would like to know what you used yourself.
I just set up Emacs and learned a lot about it,now I will try and learn some programming languages or scripting.I mostly know C++,a little bit of C and Java.
I have not taken actions for my OCD yet,like going to get help from a specialist or anything like that yet!

>>5980
>>5980
I finished uni and I'm a total sperg with zero social skills. Went to class said nothing and came home.

>>6031

>Job
>On NEET board
Get out normie REEEEEE

>>6071

This fuck off OP.

>>6031
Try the new >>>/rec/ board instead.

Moved to >>>/rec/2.