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 No.4264[Reply]

I was thinking about Youtubers, Twitch streamers and people who get paid for basically being on the internet and doing something that a monkey could.
These people could easily qualify as NEET, right? They spend up to 8 hours or more a day playing videogames or vlogging or something and most of their income comes from their fans.
Yet nobody really bats an eye at them other than the occasional angry dude that gets way too bent out of shape over people getting money from fans rather than employers. But with NEETs there's a higher level of stigma, telling them they're parasites and that they need to work on themselves and conform. Is the difference really as subtle as simply getting money? Or providing a service, even if it has little to no effect on society and the person's community?
What makes the difference in the way a NEET and someone who turns their hobby and cult of personality into a "job"?
Also have any NEETs here attempted this? Would you?
Is it viable? etc etc
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 No.6088

>>6086
You have talked yourself into a paranoid delusion about PC costs and functionality. Nothing I can say will talk you out of it because you use it as an excuse for your failings.

 No.6089

>>6088

>>>6086

>Translation: "I know better what goes on in your country than you do, faggot!"

So GFY.

 No.6103

I think the answer to "Why is it like this" is that most people simply receive their opinions from others by tradition and don't think about things that much themselves, this leads to massive inertia when it comes to 'major' changes to perception and organisation of society. Their opinions are also very much aligned with their own PERCEIVED economic interests - central banks create money out of nothing, lend it to government and banks, creating a 'debt hierarchy' that most people are too busy caught up in climbing to question. Because of the amount of wealth, stability, etc in the world today most people in this hierarchy ARE doing relatively well for themselves (at the expense of those below them), most of these people are also very focused on the idea of climbing high enough in the hierarchy that they can essentially either live without working by relying on those lower in the hierarchy, or live and work for personal fulfillment with an increasingly luxurious lifestyle. NEETS under this system have little to no resources to really even express their views as individuals let alone politically organise to the point of creating coherent and loud enough narratives to 'convince' a bunch of people to stop climbing the hierarchy in the interests of everyone.

This is something you might experience first hand directly from wagies. The wagies in my family all have this internalised mentality that because they work and I don't, they are justified in treating me like dirt, practically. They partly do this because they RESENT the fact that you're surviving without doing the work they are, and probably resent you too for having slightly more independence and strength of character to resist. These people are absorbed in climbing the hierarchy most of the time and so they don't have the time to consider more rational systems. In some funny ways, NEETs have more in common with the super-rich leisure classes than the average person working away at their job, because the elites have time and leisure to consider alternatives.

The irrationality and unfairness of the present system could never be more obvious - I have spoken to multiple people who simply inherited so much money that they'll never have to work a day in their lives, while other people wear their bodies and minds out day after day serving people who are higher up in the hierarchy. Lots of people simply repress any awareness of all of this, though - because as I said they're trying to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.6104

>What makes the difference in the way a NEET and someone who turns their hobby and cult of personality into a "job"?

One thing about this is that you might not realise it, but a disproportionate amount of those who become successful Youtubers etc today are already from middle\upper-middle class families, with a degree of leisure and enough spare money to try things out without risking falling into poverty. It boils my blood to think of the number of talentless youtubers who get paid by a megacorporation to repeat memes that were made for free by people 10 years ago. They pillage the public sphere for their own selfish purposes, ruining internet culture and prostituting everything, and most of them don't even really need the money.

You're also mostly only seeing the 'successes' when you see these 'Youtube celebs' online. If you look around you can find people who tried hard, and even put in a lot of effort and got nowhere on Youtube, and even then you're looking at those who tried to make a go of things on Youtube, rather than the many more people trapped slaving away in wage labour or stuck in NEET obscurity.

 No.6116

>>6103
very good post i agree

>>6104
very good post i agree

i dont like any of the other posts.



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 No.6054[Reply]

Around 10 years ago, I lived a very reclusive lifestyle and I was very miserable, I don't wanna go on details or to give away who I am, but something happened, something saved me from that, those years I worked hard on redoing my life, I got a job, a future, and became a better person, I had everything you could dream of that would make you happy, and more.
Now I lost all of it, and I'm scared I'll go back to how it was before, how do I go on? I'm not asking for back pats or pity, I just genuinely want to know how do you continue after losing everything.
I honestly want to, I am seeking professional help, and I try to stay focused at work, but nothing is working.

 No.6055

Nothing lasts forever man, not even when life is going good for you. Don’t beat yourself up about it, more than likely it’s something that wasn’t entirely in your control. But hey, look at it this way, if you were able to drag yourself out of being a recluse already what’s stopping you from doing it again? Just don’t give yourself the option of going back to your previous lifestyle, as enticing as it may be at times.

 No.6111

Exact same situation here. I would write many things and I have thought about it so much but in the end it's just that. I have no answers, sadly…

 No.6113

My life's goal is to tell the stories of people like you guys.
Too often we only hear from the people who succeeded, who made it in life, who had the ideal family and kids, house and car, job, status, etc. … the 'winners' in other words… and so we have a natural bias towards those types of people, and it unfairly colours our opinions. But in reality, most people don't win; most people fail, but we never hear from them because they don't make it.
Basically, I'm saying that you have a story worth telling, so for that reason alone, you have a duty to come through this, because I know there's at least one person out there who needs to hear it.



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 No.5920[Reply]

is compassion contrasted by strength?
I'm too soft and that makes me feel weak

 No.5926

>>5920
I wouldn't say contrasted. Strong people can afford to be compassionate and forgiving, while weak people need to viciously scrabble around in the dirt for whatever leverage they can find.

 No.6100

>>5920
Compassion, empathy, is relative to how much you sympathize with someone (or some thing). If you cannot relate to them then you can't have compassion. It's relative to what part of a group you are in. It's meant to keep people or things working together so it adds strength to the group and is not in it's opposite direction at all. An individual is weaker than a large group of sissies. It's why the neanderthals died. They used to eat each other and didn't communicate as well. But were stronger. It didn't save them. They couldn't get along.



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 No.3788[Reply]

>Been a hikikomori for 11 years
>Been trying to recover for about 2 years now
>Failing
>I feel like i want to die

I fucking hate my life can anyone relate??.
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 No.6037

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>>6036
>From a secular perspective Einstein's theory of relativity could be taken as proof for a deterministic universe, implying that we don't have free will
Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

 No.6038

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>>6037
>Excuse me, what? Einstein's theory of relativity is a mathematical model for the space-time continuum, in what way does it prove there isn't any free will? You just use it to model mechanics in a super precise way.

If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Consciousness arises through some process within the brains of certain animals.
Since the universe is causal; consciousness arises through causality, any "decision" made by a consciousness is predetermined by external inputs and internal feedback loops–themselves determined by external input prior.
Since consciousness is predetermined by causal relation no consciousness can express free will because every "decision" it makes is governed wholly by causal process in the same way that an apple falls from a tree.
Since Humans have consciousness, and are within the universe, human consciousness is governed by causality.
Therefore humans don't have free will as free will requires independence from causality.

Einstein was a philosophical determinist and the implications of relativity are that there is no free will. Einstein:
>The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events — that is, if he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it goes through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
See third paragraph under section "Belief in an afterlife."
TOR is not just a tool. If it is an accurate conception of the mechanics of the universe–which there is no reason to currently doubt–it has very profound philosophical implications.

 No.6039

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>>6038
>If TOR is true then all physical interactions from the atomic to the macroscopic and beyond are causal.
Uh, TOR can't predict anything at atomic level. It's one of the biggest problems in modern physic; how to tie quantum physics with the macro physics of the universe. Also, not all stimuli from the external world is a consequence of a bunch of charged particles with mass running throughout space, humans are rather irrational and quite unpredictable. Laplace's demon theory is interesting as a thought experiment until you consider how modern physics works.

Those quotes by Einstein have nothing to do with the theory in on itself but with his view of the universe. The idea that the universe is deterministic comes from the fact that we can build mathematical models that are by nature deterministic, and what Einstein implies there is that we have to consider the universe deterministic because our models work well with that. But we also have probabilistic models such as the ones used in quantum physics, which don't cross with anything we can perceive in this universe; just because we *see* things it doesn't mean the things we don't see do not exist.
Determinism is just applicable within the model, but even then the model is not necessarily perfect on all cases in the real world. In fact, the model predicts things that aren't necessarily truth at all (the existence of negative mass, for example). Hell, check kirchoff laws and try to explain me why they don't work at high frequencies and how determinism works with any of that, it just doesn't make sense.

It just feels like philosophers love to cherrypick words and concepts without even understanding the underlying implications.

 No.6079

>>3825
>Feel protected when inside my room
Same. You described my situation perfectly. I think social rejection will contribute to creating an avoidant personality.

 No.6097

>>3788
>even trying after 11 years

Sounds like quarter or mid life crisis. Accept who you are.



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 No.5730[Reply]

how can I not feel paranoid around others? I know very well how humans behave in a group. I know they hate virgins, failures, social inept people like me. I know they despise them, they are disgusted by them, they see them as useless and misfits, like dogs to kick or clowns to laugh at

I am not interested in learning trades or doing manual things. they are 100 times more digestible than doing office work but I am not passionate about em. I just want to learn them because they're not entirely boring and they make me feel useful.

I like art. acting, fooling around. music, maybe. not so much. singing serms better than learning an instrument, and dancing is rad

I'm no longer interested in fitness. martial arts are entertaining but I am too old to compete. they are a means to channel my frustration and my anger. fitness and combat sports give me a feeling of confidence and security. it doesn't matter that I lack character, that I feel vulnerable or useless, I rely on the excuse that I least I can fight. they don't make me strong, actually strong. I don't care about gaining strength or being a better fighter anymore. they don't work the way I want them to and change nothing. total waste of time

I resent everything and everyone. I hate that they know how to socialize better than me. I hate their confidence. I hate that they can belong so easily. I hate that they have more guts than me. I hate being a coward, a weakling, a fag. I hate being hated. I hate feeling threatened

hate and fear make me feel lonely, very lonely. I don't have to talk to others: they are wolves in sheepskin that at the first opportunity they have they are going to use my weaknesses against me and belittle me
It's not that I don't think they understand me, I'm not that hard to understand. I just don't think they're going to empathize at all

I wonder how I look from others' perspective
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 No.5742

OP, I feel the same way as you do, the constant feeling people want to do something bad to me is the chief reason that drove into neethood, sometimes I feel like they want to kill me and it makes me feel depression, fright and rage, it sucks to have nothing in common with people from your area, it makes them want to fuck up your life just for the hell of it.

 No.5746

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I hope my oekaki makes you feel a little better, friend.

 No.5752

>>5746
just wanted to let you know that this post seriously helped me and to give you my appreciation. thank you so much.

 No.5753

>how can I not feel paranoid around others?
I don't think that's possible. The only advice I have is to engage with people as long as it benefits you, but nothing more. If they bother or belittle you? Avoid them and be paranoid all you want because it's never without a reason.
I experience something similar. My mother says she loves me but judging by her behaviour, I think she actually wants me to fail and is working actively towards it.

 No.6081

>>5730
I feel the same way. I get social anxiety and paranoid thoughts all the time. Go to a therapist and get some anti-depressants.



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 No.5751[Reply]

Hi,I am 21 years old,I have been a neet for like a year,but that will have to get wrapped up soon.Technically I am still in education because
I am in my second year in university,but I stopped going from the beginning of the year.
My university is in another city and I live there with a friend,however my mother still thinks that I go to university.
I didn't want to go anymore due to anxiety,I have no social skills,never went outside besides the times that I was supposed to go,friends used to be mostly online.I got put under a lot of stress that gave me anxiety and it also gave me some really bad form of OCD that took over most of my life,soo I will be in a position where I will have to explain why I didn't pass the year,if I will be forced to show my student page it would show all the absences on my exams.
Was anybody in a situation like this one?
Also have you tried getting any jobs?I am in an IT major soo,I thought about trying to get a job in this field,but during this NEET time,I have not managed to do anything,my OCD gets worse during long periods of isolation and I have been having some delusions(or whatever they are),I tried going for walks and runs during the night and that helps somehow but getting a more normal lifestyle might be better,I think.
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 No.5930

Im just like you

 No.5980

>>5751
It sucks to have anxiety mixed with poor social skills but you should really try to finish uni. Once you're done with that then just find a job in IT where you don't really have to deal with people in person and you'll be fine.

 No.5984

>>5751
If you're really an IT major then the cutting edge for you would be learning every shell you can possibly learn.

As in, become fluent in Unix and Bash, learn PowerShell, learn how to script in all of those, and try your hand at other CLIs as well, like maybe Cisco IOS or Python scripting.

If you can demonstrate proficiency in these things you're 10x more employable than the average schmuck that only has Windows based certifications or whatever the case is. IT is moving towards automation. Learn programming and scripting.

 No.6073

Sorry for not replying in a long time,I have not really made much progress.I am better though.
Soo,I have managed to go to a total of 3 hours of attendence last semester,no exams done,but I will start going from this new semester,this is the first week,I really plan on going this time!No jobs yet,but the internship period is starting,my university might help me with that.
>>5984
I am from Europe,I don't know how the major definition works but I am at an IT profile for Computer Science.
Do you have any sources from when you started learning?Like some books maybe?I have some myself and found some more but I would like to know what you used yourself.
I just set up Emacs and learned a lot about it,now I will try and learn some programming languages or scripting.I mostly know C++,a little bit of C and Java.
I have not taken actions for my OCD yet,like going to get help from a specialist or anything like that yet!

 No.6078

>>5980
>>5980
I finished uni and I'm a total sperg with zero social skills. Went to class said nothing and came home.



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 No.6031[Reply]

so I got promoted at my job and now I'm a phone salesman. today I got the calls' script and I was told to listen to my coworkers so I can pick up their conversation lines. that's no problem, but the thing is, I got scared, and it showed. I became very quiet through the work day and sat all hunched over
dealing with people is not my strong suit, but I've been asking for an opportunity to harden up to the things I fear or don't like, and now it came, sadly I'm just out of the loop
all I can do right now is pray for strength and courage. any advice?

 No.6071

>>6031

>Job

>On NEET board
Get out normie REEEEEE

 No.6072

>>6071

This fuck off OP.

 No.6074

>>6031
Try the new >>>/rec/ board instead.

 No.6075

Moved to >>>/rec/2.



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 No.5698[Reply]

I have been hikki for about 5 months now and I am wondering what I can do to support my Hikki lifestyle. I just want to do something where I can live a basic life (internet, food/water, small living space). My only thing I require out of it is no human interaction in it besides online.
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 No.6015

>>5705
What an asshole

 No.6017

>>5705
You sound like an autist who takes everything literally.

 No.6018

>>6015
>What an asshole

So i am an asshole because i state the truth?

 No.6019

>>6017
>You sound like an autist who takes everything literally.

At least i do research hikikomori dont have jobs.

 No.6059

>>6019
At the time of the post OP didn’t have a job. The only criterion he didn’t fill was being in his state for six months. Furthermore, welfare isn’t always enough in some countries to support people.



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 No.6004[Reply]

So I am a 19 year old neet. I have been thinking about what to do with my life and honestly after thinking it for a long time I thought that helping people with mental problems or anxieties like mine is what I want to do so I am going to start studying psychology. My problem is that every time I try to start something in my mind tells me I would fail so I just resort to helping people like this online like in other anonymous boards and stuff writing supportive messages for them and spending time with them to help them feel better. What tips can you guys give me to motivate myself to get out my house or even just leave this lifestyle?


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 No.5989[Reply]

Do you guys ever go back to /n/ to reminisce?
I just did and found some posts I made back in 2012-4.

Give it a try and tell me what became of your past troubles and situations, please.

 No.5991

I'm too embarrassed to read my old posts. I'd delete them if I could.

But I can say nothing has gotten better, only worse. I think I'm in my 12th year of being a neet? It's been half a decade since I've visited this place as well.



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