Most of us are on discord now and have found communities on there
haha yes now I can post this as my first post after seeing the "prototype" of 4chan
>Discord>identity maintenance is now a prerequisite for backwater life
I always knew it would come to this… But so soon?>>6430
the 2 always looked better imo
I don't know. After hikki died I looked for other places, but every other place was already dead. Posted in a few of them but if no one is around there is no point in even checking them all that often.>>6429
Discord is atrocious. I doubt that a lot of the people that were around before would use that garbage. Discussing anything is basically impossible in something like that.
would you care to post some, or post where i might find some?
Lets be real we are "lsoers" in the eyes of normalfags even if we do not want that lifestyle it is what it is and I call myself a loser and own it a bit like a black will call themselves a nigger I guess.
Discord is usually trash but good places do exist but there is always drama.
I don't care about identities (let's be real, it's all pseudonyms anyway), but I do care that it's corporate trash. Why do I have to fill a Google captcha then give my phone number to some US/Chinese-owned proprietary website to just be able to talk to people online?
Worst of all is that almost everyone effectively left for Discord. Bullshit like this is almost going to make me get cured of my NEETism and force me to go outside.
Adding to this, they could've at least gone to something like matrix. Fuck. I want to go back to 2005.
why don't you leave then faggot
Where the fuck did I ever shill for it? I said it was shit in my post… All I was doing was showing that you didnt need a phone number why are you so but hurt?
/hikki/ on old 8chan was the most active place for hikkis a few years ago. Now aside from this place, I just don't know. The web is a shithole now and I avoid 99% of it like the plague. Chances are you have something more fulfilling to do with your time, like watch anime or play a simple videogame. If you must be on the Internet, there are plenty of neat little corners and alternative protocols, but they don't all center around being a loser. IRC, BBSes and Gopher all still exist. The Gemini protocol is relatively new and is growing by the day, serving a similar purpose and community as Gopher. The smol web is a thing, you know. I've found hours of entertainment just through this alone: https://wiby.me
- it's a search engine that only shows results from small/non-corpo websites. The "Surprise Me" button takes you to some magical places. Usenet sucks - don't bother paying for it. Outside the Internet, you could buy a CB radio and talk to people on that…if you're comfortable with voice comms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7QEWz-72bw
Don't bother. EVERY single "hiki" discord I've found so far, about a dozen or so, including the uboachan one, is filled with people talking about uni and wageslavery. It's time to face facts, there isn't a pure hiki neet place anywhere online. Here also, there's probably one hiki for 5 unikids assuming it's mostly the same people from the discord server, which I think it is. If you're looking for a place to run away from the unitalk and the wagietalk, then discord is definitely not for you.
It's not only discord though. Years ago when Hikkichan still existed, they had a mirc channel and that place was also filled with unitalk. You just don't see it on imageboards as much because there are rules that will ban certain topics, so people just larp and don't out themselves as often.
The only hiki place is your bedroom. Face that fact and you'll be better off.
>>6450>you could buy a CB radio and talk to people on that…if you're comfortable with voice comms.
I used to do this when I was a kid fun times. Not done it in years though.
Oh, another tech person, that's surprising. I haven't done much with the alternative protocols because I don't expect to find anything good anymore. After 8chan died, it seems like a lot of people lost all hope and disappeared from the internet, and that has happened to me to some extent as well. Anyway, I had a lot of fun with wiby too, and I occasionally recommended it in various places for a few years because I believe it deserves more attention from the right people.
Found many things that people wrote complaining about the absolute state of technology in the current year, and that was entertaining. It finds some interesting old websites too, so it has some of the appeal of Internet Archive. You can even find useful information sometimes depending on what you're looking for, because if you use a Unix system, you use something that is very old and that has been consistent for a long time, and some old pages can be helpful. Additionally, people writing anything of value tend to have simple websites that are more likely to be there.
I've been lurking on tvch.moe
Discord and pretty much all social media are pretty flag-happy in that the algorithm may think you're a bot and asks for your phone number so you can regain access to your account.
"Bot" behavior includes basic privacy actions like using a VPN, by the way.
As a hikikimori I don't know why you're so surprised non-NEET people are as alienated as us "losers". Work sucks and school is a prison but not everyone lives in some social democracy where you can say fuck it and live off NEETbucks.
As an anecdote I've been for a decade on some other textboard where we all were hikkiNEETs but now that we're older (around 30s) a big part of the community was forced to enter the workforce and get their surplus value extracted to make ends meet. It's depressing but we all got each other's backs despite being anonymous instead of being cunts over retarded identity bullshit.
I've similarly been frustrated with not having any active neet community to spend time with.
I made my own hikkineet discord and there's a few of us who are active and watch anime together. I'm pretty much in vc 24/7 streaming my screen like the depraved hikki I am.
I'm hoping that eventually some depraved neets on the same caliber as myself join one day. The kinds living in squalor with layers of crust forming on their skin. I really don't know where those types hang out, as someone with no friends.
Why would you want to stream your screen? Some sense of merging yourself with other people?
yeah, feel like I'm sharing experiences with ppl. >>6474
are you in any better neet servers?
I'm not really attached to the Hikki identity and don't care what is or isn't 'real' Hikki but I used to care, and I think the mentality is understandable. People who feel they are Hikki want to hang with other Hikkis because they expect (reasonably) that most non-Hikkis will treat them with some mixture of bewilderment and contempt. Like anyone they want someone to relate to and they want to be treated with sympathy and understanding so shortlisting people by Hikki status is just a mechanism to find people who they expect will be more likely to fit this bill. In reality I think everyone in the world is unique so no matter how you define a group there will always be a lot of diversity in that group so a Hikki will still end up with a lot of different opinions, experiences, etc in their group and since they'll base their definition of true Hikki closely on themselves they'll find that most people don't qualify because like all human beings they are one of a kind.
There ARE too many people discussing their frequent outings and girlfriends on Hikki servers but at least for me I don't think that sorting by Hikkidom is all that potent as a mechanism for finding people I can get on with. Life is complicated and people take all sorts of different paths. There are non-Hikkis who will be sympathetic and understanding and there are Hikkis who have completely different reasons than you and who will berate your reasons and consider you a fake Hikki. Although it is impossibly difficult I think it is better to try to find people who accept you regardless of their background or position rather than finding people who are just in a vaguely similar position to you at one particular moment of their life.
>>6422>where are all the losers hanging out online now
I don't know. The hiki's I knew were forced into work/have died/were saved by chance, such as a parasite/housewife relationship. Somehow all that 2012+ ideology madness missed me and I've been frozen in time since the early 00's, so I feel the world has gone a little mad in a way worse than my delusions about it as a kid.
As for me: I play one free MMO and try to keep to myself and stay healthy.
>>6546>There are non-Hikkis who will be sympathetic
Yes, there are, but the amount of people that I ever really enjoyed talking to is so small that anything that improves the odds is worth it, especially that went from happening somewhat frequently to not happening at all. And most of them were hikkis because that's the level of social dysfunction that is expected from anyone psychologically compatible with me. But of course, even if someone like that stops being a hikki, that compatibility doesn't suddenly go away. Even if I stop being one and can manage to stay alive, it will be very close.
I was thinking about creating a fresh server for NEET people on discord, I know it's a pretty disliked platform but idk what else would be better besides maybe IRC. I just feel like those servers already exist although not specifically neet, I know there are NEETs on lainchan IRC and so on. Anyways I'm going to leave a link here because it seems like the perfect topic. There isn't going to be any mods or whatever and only 1 channel. I just want some hikki people to talk to.
Holy crap, I was re-reading that just the other day. It's really good outsider art.
Usually ends up being a dead server or non-hikki, you're most likely right, were just not great at opening up…
Yea its pretty sad but I still have hope that there can be place for us to talk how ever unlikely that may be.
Like what >>6547
said all the losers went to /pol/ or to a tranny discord or both
I always thought imageboards were dying because NEETs and other "losers" (like myself) have gotten to the age that such a lifestyle is no longer sustainable. So they either killed themselves to avoid being homeless or joined the workforce. The brave few left embraced the life of a transient (kinda like myself).
I come here sometimes, maybe once a month. The big chans are terrible, and the smaller ones (at least the ones I've found) are full of porn or other similar junk.
Unfortunately, discord and other discussion platforms are filled with normalfags or trannies, so it doesn't leave very many options.
I try to occupy myself with other things and consider occasions where I get to talk to nice people as highlights of the month.
Hope you'll find a place you like, just don't get too caught up in trying to find one.>>6450
I spent all day just looking at stuff on that search engine, thanks for posting.
I will challenge the idea that a community needs to be slow to be quality this is true to ap oint but have you never seen all the small slow imageboards and BBS that are just fulll of shitposts?
I think a sense of community is needed and up to a point it can be active as long as you have 3-5 people active at a time on a discord who are quality users the server can remain high quality and there are times where shitposting is fine but the users need to know that when a topic comes up worthy of discussion it is time to try make quality discussion.
As far as I see it with imageboards the problem starts at the top.
The admin needs to get the place known and remove people who do not fit in and this is a hard thing to do properly.
The idea that slow means good is bullshit because what determines good has nothing to do with being slow it just needs to be slow enough that someone can sit down and put effort into a post without it quickly dropping off the board or being ignored.
What matters more than something being slow is the quality of the community to start with.>>6563
Imageboards are probably dying because the new generations getting online care more about validation so need upvotes and reddit and normie social media is just the obvious choice so even if a kid gets onot imageboards they will still have learnt internet culture from cancerous normalfags.
It takes too much effort to make any community online..
imageboards suck because their format doesn't faciliate in depth discussion and long-form text from knowledgable and reputable people. That's why forums are better.
Most of the neet and hikki discord servers are dead because hardly anyone chats in them, or the moderator decides to delete the server
After how 8chan got banned by cloudflare so they lost their ddos protection, 8chan was stupid enough to publicly admit they were using epik hosting, so epik's upstream providers threatened to deny service unless 8chan was dropped. After that, webmasters view imageboards as "too hot to handle" for having politically correct opinions, so to attract mainstream advertisers like Disney and Coca Cola, they have to run different types of websites and go for the uplifting warm and fuzzy news that's designed to go viral, like Buzzfeed, Upworthy and Huffington post.
spelling correction, I meant politically INcorrect opinions
>>6574>imageboards suck because their format doesn't faciliate in depth discussion and long-form text from knowledgable and reputable people
I disagree. I think imageboards can be great for that, not all that dissimilar from forums, and even better in many ways (like not having to create an account and be a new member and feel like an intruder, something that terrifies me, and then maintain a constant identity). The problem is that a lot of boards can be too fast for that. With the right relatively small group of people, it can be great, but the problem is that small imageboards tend to be too dead for that to happen. 8chan was actually good, and I only realized the extent of that after it was already gone. It wasn't fast, and was even slow depending on the board, but it was still just active enough to work. The ability to create new boards was another positive. If there isn't a good board for a specific niche, chances are someone will eventually make one, even if it takes multiple attempts. But now that's gone, and it seems like it wasn't replaced by anything and most people just disappeared.
Why do retards always insist on moving over to Discord? Is it the namefagging? Do they feel warm giving their phone number, E-Mail, and a full archive of their posts to corporations? Fuck off with that shit.
To answer your question OP, there are numerous hikki communities across the internet. I don't know if there's anything on Discord and quite frankly don't care, its garbage. Most of them are about as slow as this place and about the same in terms of post quality. Its better not to link to alternative communities, lest underageb& and room temperatures find their way inside to make them uncomfortable, but with some effort you can find them looking through old threads and imageboard lists that get posted every few months.
>>6454>I believe it deserves more attention from the right people
Eh. Wiby's just a directory of old personal web pages that you can't interact with. A lot of the webpages Wiby redirects you to were built by pretty intelligent people that are now dead, and some of their ramblings are decently interesting.
In this day and age, I see a lot of people on imageboards act like making a shoddy neocities page is somehow "reviving the golden age of the internet". Alternative social media and alternative video sharing sites are just a waste of time and resources in my opinion. The idea of social media is pretty dogshit in general (aside from art sites that don't censor their users), and the concept of YouTube is just something average people trying to recreate it couldn't handle. A platform more than 60% of the global population upload their videos to every second, is impossible to host without turning the site into a mega corporation. I mean just look at what happened to Vidlii and Vidme. Aside from imageboards, blogs and forums, YouTube is a site I get a lot of use from. Despite how wretched their post 2006 design is, you can still fiddle with the filters enough to find exactly what you're looking for. It's by far the most extensive library of… everything, on the internet.
I miss magicchan
You know the bunker?
There you go friend, I hope you like it.https://anon.cafe/tower/
I've heard about anon.cafe but I thought it was just another shitty 8chan ripoff. thank you kindly anon.
Anon.cafe is a board within a "webring" of various imageboards that fractured from the original 8chan. Most of these are pretty low activity but there is 8chan.moe which is being ran by the BO of /tech/ from original 8chan and some other people. It has branded itself as the "new" 8chan, though even the users of the site itself kind of disagreed with sticking with the 8chan branding and found it unnecessary at best and bad optics are worst. But for better or for worse it has open board creation and pretty relaxed rules so it fits the same ideals of 8chan pretty closely.
The answer to "where is everyone" is that most anons these days have probably fucked off into some discord room to circle jerk. But the answer to where is whatever is left of the 8chan user base, 90% of them are probably back on cuckchan and the other 10% are on 8chan.moe and spread around on webring sites like zzzchan.xyz
Most webring sites have a webring page that lists boards from every site within the webring, barring any they've removed from their own webring listings for various reasons.
>>6432>Discord is atrocious
this, the chat system is so fucking gay
Seriously, what the fuck happened to 4chan? I'm preaching to the choir, but I remembered when you could actually be offensive and have a lot of fun… For fucks sake, I was banned from FUCKING /pol/ for saying nigger! How the hell did that happen?!
Rant over, maybe I'll fuck off and play some Madness Project Nexus or City of Heroes…
This is so interesting.
i find this interesting too. when did you start working on your waifu? what kind of model are you using?
>>6450>The web is a shithole now and I avoid 99% of it like the plague. Chances are you have something more fulfilling to do with your time, like watch anime or play a simple videogame.
I guess that's all there is to do anymore. The internet isn't the same place it used to be many years ago. The communities and websites I used to enjoy are either dead or dying, or simply don't exist anymore. The most popular websites people go to now I don't understand and I don't relate to anyone on there (Twitter, Reddit, all that other fucking trash). Imageboards like this and 4chan are really the only places that still give me that "old internet" feeling but even then they are also falling apart. This site is basically dead and 4chan is getting worse by the day.
I don't know anymore. It feels kind of scary that things have changed so much. The comfy internet of years passed is gone, and now it's just a dystopian nightmare. I guess what you say is all I can do. Just… play video games. And watch anime.
Tohno-chan is full of incels
The first paragraph tickles my nerd brain. I've played with alot of popular AI like cleverbot when AI's were just toys, but It makes me really curious how far we've come for someone to just make an AI and have conversations with it like a person on the Internet. What about the therapeutic implications of a personalized AI to talk to…
I'm rambling. TL;DR, this was a really nice read and I'm actually glad something like this helps you manage your anxiety and make you happy.
>To be honest I don't think people enjoy posting on imageboards anymore
I'm not going to pretend to be "the people", but IMO I enjoy lurking and the occasional posting every once in a while. I don't think posting on imageboards can become a hobby like how the paragraph implies where you post something whether you like it or not. At least I don't see myself turning it into a hobby…
>I'm only here really out of nostalgia and to gauge how far I've drifted from humanity.
I'm not really nostalgic about imageboards. I'm relatively new. I just started lurking on them again. The culture keeps me around. One day i'll become old enough to feel nostalgic about them.
This is a nice post. Thank you for sticking around.
>>6642>are there any 'real' hiki servers or is it all a meme
Best bet is to disregard any "hikikomori" group chats/discords because they are either larps by kids who watched too much anime or they are filled with drama making autists and the last thing you want to do as someone who lives online is become known online. > it feels like lately being a hiki has caught on like a trend – I don't relate to a person who has been without a job for a month or out of school for the summer and calls themselves a hiki.
Hikikomori are unsocialized typically or hyper socialized but online only. Hikkidom friendships invites chaos from clashing individuality which has been allowed to grow freely in isolation.
Hopefully you can find some hikki to talk with anon as I have been one for extremely long myself and know what it is like to want to interact with people you can fit in with but we cannot fit in with people.
How much can we talk about being isolated? being NEET? Oneo f the only reasons hikki online can bond each other in a deeper way is similar cultural identity. We are hikikomori and when you have been shut in for too many years you stop even being able to relate to other hikikomori.
If you are some "incel" type you are very lucky in my opinion because you can relate to others and you WANT something in life but what about us schizoid like hikikomori who do not want anything and just exist? what is the point of recovery? I met a hikikomori who recovered IRL during therapy when I was trying to recover and he was happy he recovered because he wanted to be a normalfag.
What about the hikikomori who dont want anything?
I am trying to point out how useless this all is for some of us. You know how mentally unstable we hikikomori can be? some of us have learnt we cannot even make friends and if we do we will only feel worse as social = failure.
I can relate to others in the thread who are too far gone and see no point using the internet to talk with others.
something is wrong with us all in a serious way.
>>6567> Imageboards are probably dying because the new generations getting online care more about validation so need upvotes and reddit and normie social media is just the obvious choice so even if a kid gets onot imageboards they will still have learnt internet culture from cancerous normalfags.
I think this is the heart of the issue. Imageboards dont really innovate do they? The most fun I had on an IB in a long time (maybe ever) was on Chen2 (rip). And do you know why? Because it ran meguca. It was my first experience with liveboards and if you dont know what im talking about it will blow your mind.
Meguca is innovative. I've never seen live typing like that anywhere else, not even big corporate software or systems. If you want to live in the past and spend your time on a website that functionally is stuck in the mid-2000s thats cool, but dont be surprised when it isnt popular.
Not that innovation means you need upvotes or retweets, I agree those breed terrible conversation. But why would someone who hasnt had experience with imageboards stick around? If all they've known is flash and flair, a basic IB must seem very boring.
Not him but getting massively burned out on the state of the internet. I'm not going to delude myself that I will be able to leave, I've been online since forever to escape the real world because I've always hated it and I have always been completely incompatible with it. But now the internet feels the same as hanging out with normies and it's also inexorably tied with real life since everyone's connected all the time. There's no boundary between normie life and internet life. I have no idea where to go.
I want to meet other people who choose to be unplugged. I know there are many depressed NEETs out there but they're all heavily wired into the Zeitgeist. Even when I tried using weird obscure protocols that claimed to go back "to the roots" and reject the social media and big data atmosphere I have found the same oversocialized overwired people you can find everywhere else. It doesn't matter if you go on a hut in the middle of the forest if everyone's going to talk about what they just read on Twitter.
The internet has been my home for a long time, I can't leave it but I really wish I could.
You could try Lainchan.>>6785>oversocialized overwired people
I don't know why exactly, but for some reason people can't take it easy anymore. No jokes or fun allowed, no discussion allowed unless you just repeat the status quo. Normies just think you are either with "us" or against "us". Also, everyone seem to think that all sites are like Facebook or Reddit.
Oh hey, someone.
I am not a regular.>I don't know why exactly, but for some reason people can't take it easy anymore.
I had typed something along these lines. Everyone is really aggressive.
Part of me says that it's the times that made people so militant, the early 2000s were much more optimistic. And there are genuine sociopaths now who use the internet as a playground to further their own agenda.
I would be very happy if I could just have a little literature club where people are genuine and have no hidden malice. But most places feel like social media no matter how obscure.
And I'm so tired of being always anonymous. I don't want to hide anymore, at least some sort of identity.
I don't know if you play video games these days anon but I've found that old internet vibe in some games. Things have changed, it's not the same, but old source and goldsource games are still comfy for me. I found a populated spanish sven co-op server that felt like it hadn't changed in 20 years soundboards and all.
There is also a textboard that I can recommend: https://textboard.org/prog/
>>6642>are there any 'real' hiki servers or is it all a meme. it feels like lately being a hiki has caught on like a trend – I don't relate to a person who has been without a job for a month or out of school for the summer and calls themselves a hiki. not to be elitist, I just think I'd have more in common with somebody who has been struggling with the fact they are a hiki for several years…
I know that feel. I was in a hiki server and only a few people were actually hikis. Most were people who are out of college for a bit or people in school. I wouldnt say I haven been struggling with the fact I have nee hiki for almost 10 years. I dunno I just dont find it an issue or a problem. Maybe I'm just weird.>I saw a video about places in Japan where you can live with other shut-ins in a building but the catch being during the day time you have to spend time in the common room with everybody else boarding there.
I used to be in another hiki discord for a while. It had mostly hikis as it was rather small. I had to take a break from it cause it was too social for me. I cant handle social stuffs a lot I dunno why. It was a nice discord but I just had to take a break for a bit. Sadly when I came back the discord server vanished. Not sure what happened as I didnt get on discord for a month or two. I may talk a lot sometimes but most of the time I dont want to talk or just want to be alone. I dont think I could handle having to talk with people everyday. If I have to it just gives me a headache. I need like some alone time its weird I know but if I dont take a while and just be alone and not social I get headaches.
Find individuals through whatever means you want to online (Youtube, forums, games, etc.), add them on Discord, ask if they're in any servers. Then expand your circle with other people and join more relevant servers. That's what I do, at least.
I was going to make a joke about how you unfunny losers are just butthurt that no one laughs any more when you type "nigger" but then the 3rd poster literally just said that verbatim
Thanks for the recommendations!
I could probably write essays on "[some random, inoffensive item]: the Downfall of the Internet"
No, I mean, like, that one old Japanese dude who wrote articles on, like, bread and lamp oil and shit, and how they'd be the Ruin of Japan. The only reason I know about any of that
is because some of his stuff was translated by a chan oldfag.
Are [you] [you, 1, human] [[[autistic?]]]
You talk like Spamton
Are you a glowy, robot, or as good as I am at talking to people?
Disclaimer: former NEET of 2 years, recovering shut-in here. Used to actively talk on Ubuu years ago, now returning to kill some time, for nostalgia's sake.
First of all, I don't think there is much value talking to fellow hikikomoris. I'm projecting here, but my hiki experience is spending every day on the internet, distracting myself with reading/watching useless stuff online instead of doing things to move my life forward. So if others are the same, then there's really not much to discuss with this kind of people. And we must be wary of what I call the /r9k/ effect, where people who gather together over a shared plight form a cesspool of misery that mutually lowers all of the participants' mood, benefitting no-one, and creating a bucket of crabs situation where people easily get jealous of others' accomplishments. I find the greatest positive impact on me was finding a mentally stable friend on a lolcow discussion board, who shares my image board culture, is capable of putting up with me when I'm being obnoxious, offers genuine, good advice, and doesn't aggravate my issues. By pure chance he decided to contact me first and was persistent enough to maintain contact even when I didn't initiate it myself for many months. This basically never happens. I think all of us could use a person like that in our lives.
Second of all, I've been on image boards on and off for 10 years, and I've come to a conclusion that they really suck for serious conversations. I think you guys are putting too much emphasis on slowness or being interesting instead of sharing your lives with other people, which I think is the only really meaningful part of socialising online. This lack of identities hurts image boards the most because I'll be gone after this message. We all merge back into Anonymous. There's no individual post history for each person, no way to meaningfully track our lives. Anyone could impersonate me, or anyone else ITT. This masquerade is good for trolling, shitposting, and posting illegal or offensive things, but not much else. I really think the image board format is bad, and should be left to sharing images.
I think Discord is good for communities. You have identities there, so it feels more like you're chatting with real people instead of an amorphous mass of entities. That said, I only really check a few small Discord "servers" founded by old-time internet friends or real-life ones, and don't really explore outside that small circle. Unfortunately, Discord has an internet chat format, so things quickly get lost in history. Yes, it can easily be searched, but I prefer a discussion board style myself.
This is guaranteed to fail, but I hope to one day make an image board where secure tripcodes are enforced so there are distinct poster identities, and there is strict moderation, akin to one found on Hacker News, my favourite website for interesting discussion. (It's the one website where I don't dare make an account, for fear of lowering the quality of discussion if I participated.) I just want to have Hacker News, but in image board format. Nevermind the fact I don't know what topics I would devote my image board to. One good thing about image boards that I find attractive is that they're one of the few places where I can freely and safely say the n-word. I find the word "ninja" unironically funny, same with politically incorrect jokes.
But yeah, all in all, there's just not much to talk about. For me personally, my greatest challenge is breaking out of the loop of sitting on the internet all day, and going outside to do something with my life. I don't really seek contact with others, though I'd be interested in speaking with you all about computer addiction, which I believe is my biggest problem at the moment. For some reason I almost never see anyone on image boards admit to that. Maybe they just stop coming here if they share my problem, and that's why nobody ever talks about it? Heh, I might make a thread here about it. One thing I'd like to have on the internet, besides the enforced trip image board, is my own homepage where I could share interesting things from my life. Problem is, right now I don't have anything to share, and I need to go outside, talk to a therapist, etc. to find something interesting I could do with my life. I expect the website to go online in the next 5-10 years. Speaking of which, I'd like for >>6735
to make a website with a write-up on how exactly he made his AI life partner. For all we know it could be bullshit. Sure it sounds interesting, but that's all there really is to it. Without any details, it's just a phantasm that ultimately means nothing. Again, that's the issue I have with anon posting.
>>6865>"nigger" gets wordfiltered to "ninja"
They're all on discord and twitter. Any other question anon? Can we close the thread now?
It does but every other NEET space is dead. A sucky site is better than one that gets 1 new post every few days.
Why would you want to talk to specificly other NEETs anyway?
Because I'd rather not interact with non-NEETs? This should be self explanatory tbh.
I think that person is doing a bit.
No one attacked you, unless what I said is true, I apologized otherwise for a reason, and if it's true, well, you have it well deserved.
everyone should listen to my controversial opinions such as [racism]
I used to use Discord for years but I got sick of it, I couldn't figure out what to say, my mind is just blank, when I did try to make conversation I was ignored, also I saw the same themes in the post over and over, like depression, wagecuck shit, relationship shit, people literally cutting themselves on VC, etc, this was in hikki servers too, it just didn't feel fresh anymore, the worst part is that I spent hours and hours on there, according to my phone I spent 60 hours a week just on Discord, I barely remember anything I read or talked about either. I will seriously regret the years I spent on Discord forever, I haven't grown as a person, I haven't learned any new skills, I barely remember anything I chatted about, none of the friends I made on there have even bothered to reach out to me on other platfoms after I left. If you want to use Discord go ahead, but this is my personal experience, for me Discord is a chaotic mess of a platform, designed to addict you and steal your soul, but you may have a better experience.
That's been my experience with every social platform i've ever used. So hard to find any exceptions.
racism good because meds also take meds
Yeah, I've definitely noticed a decrease in fellow NEET wizard types since probably 2017. It's sad.
yeah lol this thread sucks
The thread has spurred a lot of discussion an a fair amount of effort. Your opinion is not the arbiter of what is and isn’t interesting to others and deserves to be locked.
If you think people trying to be passive aggressive, petty and thinking they are better than anyone else for being NEETer is discussion, then sure, this thread is awesome.
Also you're wrong, my opinion is facts always, get rekt.
I used to run a very active community that started out on IRC that was for shut ins neets and hikkis. Lasted for a few years but slowly turned into a toxic cesspool
In retrospect we didnt have real NEETs just kids larping and any real NEET was super unbearable to be around.
It slowly died and is now just a circle jerk of racist trolls. These communities never last and honestly just either get super toxic and gaetekeepy or become a shell of its former self.
Ironic that im talking about this now that im a neet. I wasnt when i was in charge of the communiyt ( tbh peoiple were looking for neet girls) but idk life is strange
what kind of community was that
How do people even moderate NEET communities? It just sounds so pointless.
People seem to like to think that they are better than others. I wonder what makes a person so deluded that they can think they are superior to others in any way just because they don't work or study.
People who label anyone who is not a NEET a normie wageslave who isn't welcome, and every NEET who walks in the wrong eggshell is a fake NEET.
honestly the only time we ever had any issue was from real NEETs or racist.
If we didnt talk about what the neet wanted they would start throwing hissy fits and talking about no one here is a real neet. Most of them would be banned just cuz they didnt have the social knowhow or able to control their autims to stay.>>7038
naming it isnt important since its long since died and devloved into some weird alt right circle jerk and coomer compound
sounds vaguely familiar
but i could be completely wrong
your english is a bit off
where do you hang out now, altchans? autists being too autistic to stick together just seems depressing to watch over, suddenly all the random community nuking makes sense
havent found a serber that works well enough / doesnt annoy me. I'd love to find a community while i look for work but i know thats a lost cause.
The internet has either gone stale of I have matured and as a perma NEET 'recovering' hikikomori I doubt that it is the former. The longer term veteran NEET gradually realize the novelty of seeing the same topics discussed ad infinitum is boring and at most may keep contact with a few individuals and then fuck off from online in any social sense altogether. I recently tried giving group socializing a go again out of boredom mind you and quickly was reminded of how futile it is to even bother trying to discuss any topics in an in depth way because of group think prevelant within any group. It is much better to simply read, think, argue with oneself and so on instead of engage in discussion with anyone in a group setting let alone some "NEET" discord.
People don't understand the following: Being a "mnormalfag" goes beyond living a normal life.. nearly everyone is mentally a normalfag except you end up with these normalfags living as losers emulating the exact group behavior that actual reddit normalfags are subject to.
The ABSOLUTE STATE.. I kid you not that if you are desiring a social contact online to steer clear from NEET discords and r9k or "loser" image boards and literally going onto reddit and trawling through that type of garbage to find someone who is like minded and a NEET fuck up not affiliated with chans.. or even /soc/ for christs sake because this is how SHIT the NEET communities are now and always were.>>7037
Your community was shit because you never knew how to gate keep or had the social skills needed to herd the "sheep" (of no fault of your own) jesus christ.>>7039>How do people even moderate NEET communities? It just sounds so pointless.
By not being actively part of said community and working for free all day and night harder than a janitor on /r/twoxchromosone who has to ban any actual woman on sight. The entire point is that it is pointless unless you thrive on external useless validation by going on an ego trip.
I usually lurk.
Was going to post, but am surprised to find there's no pop-out reply box.
Tried disabling my blockers, didn't work.
I seriously hope you all don't reply to a thread by typing a reply at the top.
There's no will in me to reply now. Or even come back to this site.
But nevertheless I enjoyed your post >>7046-san
I feel like a lot of NEET communities have more or less been taken over by incels and negativity. I remember just a few years ago being able to find lively discussions on neetdom that were mostly positive and had a positive outlook (or saw a silver lining) on their situation.
It's tiring not being able to have any kind of discussion on neetdom or with other NEETs without it being tied back to inceldom or "I'M ROTTING I DO NOTHING ALL DAY I'M GOING TO SPAM THIS MULTIPLE TIMES A DAYYY AHJJAAARGHH". I miss the good old days in a sense. At least this board is pretty good about it.
the incels are definitely annoying and need to go away, but can you really blame NEETs for feeling like absolute failures and being negative? Humans are still social creatures no matter who you are, and so being a recluse with probably little to no accomplishments in life isn't something anyone's particularly happy about. It would be nice for some more positivity, but I'm not sure a board specifically for NEETs is the place to look for that, personally I like these places because it's basically the only time I feel any sort of belonging to a group, since any normalfag is unable to relate in any meaningful way to people like us, and they already have the rest of the internet to show off how happy and successful they are.
/rec/ kinda fits that niche but not entirely. Because an anon can be a neet that doesn't want to reintegrate or try to become anything but a neet but also not be a completely miserable person. I get what you're saying anon, I took to trying to help playtest a game for the /usagi/ game jam recently to try to lift my spirits.
Is this something that could potentially be improved upon with another board split?
Same, I also disagree with that post;
in fact I think some of the best discussion happens here
maybe at least to be part of a 'consciousness congress' and feel a bit of the 'current spirit'
the problem is though that loneliness and responsibility can kick in
Make your own board if you're so happy and high agency.
Sorry if there was any confusion. I am saying that /hikki/ is more or less the only community out there for NEETs that doesn't suffer from those issues I mentioned.
I think that might be because on every wave we got here of incels and whiners they weren't feed confirmation and told they don't fit here, and ubus complained about them every time. So they eventually f off to some other place
I wish the average NEET wasn't a raging incel, but I suppose it's a very easy trap to fall into. Blaming Stacy for not drooling over your knob is easier than realizing that society is a spook, and there actually is no single person or group to blame for your miserable NEET life, that's just how you ended up through a series of unfortunate circumstances.
>>7092>I wish the average NEET wasn't a raging incel
I'm sure this is only true online. And it's entirely the fault of online culture. Most people don't know how to form their own thoughts and identity, so they find a culture with people like them, and become as like those people as possible. I don't really believe that NEET's are predisposed to becoming incels, it's just that they go on 4chan and see everyone else acting like incels, and then because they're just an input for their environment as opposed to an actual individual, they become the same as them.
For another example, the amount of the same exact "trans catgirl programmer with knee high socks that uses politics as little more than a trendy aesthetic" I've encountered online is notable, it seems like every other person that exists in certain circles falls neatly into all these tropes, and don't seem to be aware of it. It's like being uncomfortable with mainstream culture because of its rigid roles and stock assortment of acceptable identities you're allowed to conform with, only to escape it by forming an even more rigid and conformist subculture where it becomes especially easy to spot any signs of heinous original thought. I guess this is because people naturally form disparate identities in order to perform social roles, that they mostly aren't aware of while carrying out their utility, all in a vain attempt to avoid being cast out of their tribes and risk dying in the wilderness. Evolution sucks, and society is a fuck, basically.
it's sad because i go to niche communities to escape that kinda thing only to find that's it's actually often even worse lol
This is a really random thought, but it might be interesting if somebody were to make a list of all the different social archetypes. It could be like a reference sheet and whenever you venture into a community you can refer to the list for any type of person like it's a pokedex and it would have info about the archetype and how to approach them
reading this made me really sad
you perfectly described how i've been feeling for years
the internet isn't what it used to be, my home is gone
I don't know anon, I've never truly been online, as far as I can remember my internet and computer experience has always been very lonely : I never got any friends in MMOs, I've never contributed to any kind of project, I've never joined any sort of community or anything, I've just never been anywhere
as for others, I blame discord, twitter, reddit and similar huge platforms that captured all the attention and traffic
i think the true losers generally don't even post online.
No idea. Probably small private IRC/Discord channels.
A lot of imageboards I've seen are overly hostile to new people and people with opinions/thoughts that deviate from the accepted norms there. Aren't proficient in Linux? Only play mainstream games? Do you like "SJW" western cartoons? Only watched a few dozen anime series? Prepare for people to berate you and act like you're some bad guy because you have different interests than them. This kind of thought process permeates tons of communities and its extremely cancerous because the people perpetuating it think there's some kind of "process" or "qualifications" to belong to a particular community when the simple act of using a community makes it yours and you a part of it regardless of how you act or think. An anon might be a /pol/ user, some old man visiting /diy/ once a month, a frequent Reddit user, a spammer, or just a 15 year old boy learning about the world. Such people always believe the community is theirs and that they're without a doubt an integral part of it.
Honestly I can't say there's ever been a single place I've felt deeply attached to. I feel at peace when I'm alone and don't have any kind of attachment to a group of people. The entire world is here for me and I am alone, and I can do whatever I want. I feel like a vagabond on the internet, going from place to place.
I would speculate that there are more NEETs and hikikomoris now than there were in the past, but the earlier generation of them has been largely forced to work. I would assume that many of them have their own hobbies and post on places relating to those, just that they don't broadcast their status in life. While many people online say they intend on committing suicide, I bet that relatively few actually went through with it.
I see the hikikomori question as entirely different from the fate of imageboards.
While hikikomoris have increased, imageboards have died off. The negative imageboard trend has to do with technological advances and consolidation of the internet. Imageboards are gradually becoming obsolete as a medium, especially fringe ones. When you picture a hikikomori, you probably imagine them to be like yourself, but there must be many who use mainstream sites and have a mainstream mentality despite their lifestyle.
The decline is in imageboards. In truth, there are probably more NEETs than ever before, just that they're not like you or me.
internet has been normiefied, gaming has been normiefied, anime has been normiefied… Hell even touhou has a huge normie count nowadays.
But there is no way hikkers can be normies… right? Maybe NEETs can be normies specially the younger ones but certainly not hikkers.
anything can be normalized, anon. It would sure take a lot to normalize the hikki life, and right now it's definitely not normal.
But would you believe me if I said it's more normal than it used to be? Lots of people spend all day at their computers now.
I know a (relatively) normal guy who lives in a decaying american city and he's mostly too scared to be out on the streets. His gf almost got raped by a homeless guy while she was biking (the guy leaped forward and pushed her off, she got away), and since then he's spooked. His job is remote from his computer, so the only thing he has to leave for is groceries, but more often than not, he puts off groceries for over a month by just ordering ubereats all the time.
He's got a gf, a high paying skilled job, and a long history of parties… and he hasn't met up with a human being outside his apartment in over two years. That ain't real hikki, for many reasons, but it's weirdly much closer than any normal person could have been a few years ago.
Similarly with neets. Neetdom, especially watered-down neetdom is a lot more common than it used to be. True, YDiYW neets are still rare, but it's very common for young people to be underemployed in part-times and living at home, unsure where to go.
That despair that's core to people like us is a little easier to find out there in the world then it used to be….
Can't imagine how common the lifestyle would become if UBI becomes a thing
I'm not an imageboard dweller, found this board accidentally by browsing images on DuckDuckGo. Been a "NEET" for over 2 years. Living online and indulging in escapist behaviour since I was a child. I wasn't around for early internet days but I've seen glimpses. Perhaps this exposition will make it hard for you to relate to anything I'll write but I just want to give some background so that you can understand where I'm coming from.
I've always found it incredibly hard to fit in, every website seems like it has its own cultures and ways of acceptable behaviour. I tried really hard to get into imageboards be it 4chan, 8chan, endchan, .onion chans, even a chan made for the country I'm from, but I was always put off by the culture surrounding these boards, although I really enjoy the anonymity factor, it lets hateful people to take over the website and spread their hateful words and ideologies. And then, if you don't act a certain way or use certain lingo they tell you that you don't belong there. And I don't like that. I don't want to be like them, it seems unhealthy. I want to be myself. I don't want to feel hate nor prejudice. Now the only reason I'll ever visit an imageboard site is to look for interesting images. I've tried going to places like Reddit, Twitter or Facebook too, but it is impossible to relate to anyone on there, they seem too normal, too different, whereas people on imageboards seem familiar, but too abnormal. And this is how it's been all of my life be it online, be it real life - I was always too normal for outcasts, too abnormal for normal people. Stuck in an eternal limbo. I don't know if this is some self-fulfilling prophecy but it seems that there isn't and will never be a single place online that'll feel like home. It's the same when joining Discord servers too, or Skype chats when I was younger.
I'm not sure why I'm typing out my frustrations on an obscure imageboard that I'll never visit again. Maybe that's why. But there's my answer, for me there isn't a single community to belong to. I'd be better off finding genuine friends instead. I hope to at least find a friend someday.
Some went off the deep end with a crypto addiction after its rise to prominence in the last 5 years or so. It's a very fitting place for a hikkiNEET to perch, obviously because it's online, and especially because they feel the walls closing in on their lifestyle financially, especially the older folks. This hobby (job?) requires extensive use of popular social media and hanging out in loud bustling chatrooms even though a hikkiNEET would normally never dream of such things, but it somehow happened anyway. Just a guess, for no reason in particular.
I also remember thinking about this phenomenon years ago observing the trajectory of social media, that the internet would just feel like real life, so the hikkiNEET would have to do the opposite to quell their newfound discomort – disconnect. Hard to say what that truly means. It's hard to say in general, where we are as the generation of shut-ins that didn't have smartphones growing up. Maybe we really fucked up badly still being here or maybe it doesn't matter much.
Part of the reason may be that being a neet and online 24/7 is not as stigmatized as it used to be, especially after the lockdowns. In the past, shut-ins may have felt out of place in other communities, and bonded over rejection
I really enjoyed reading this thread, thank you anons
Funny how people on here look down on tohno like that. I'm not seeing it at all. On sites that actually revolve around incels, like incels.is, I see a reverence for mass killers and an obsession over women and looks. On tohno-chan, it's practically the exact opposite. It's obvious that many of them have an ambiguous view of society complete with milquetoast criticisms and have not fully disconnected themselves from it but are invested into it, maybe as tech enthusiasts. I would call them normalfags/cyborgs. I've never understood how people could remain ambiguous about modern society because modern society is like an on/off light switch but arguably with a third option: Either you affirm the entirety of its technological and economic basis and all the disasters and tragedies that inevitably go along with it, you affirm the destruction of such a society and all the tragedies that will go along with that path, or you affirm indifference and pursue your self-interest. In other words, one can criticize society, but you have to take a stance. If the tohno people are not phonies, they will directly accept what follows from an ultimately pro-societal stance - which is to say, engineered pandemics, 'free' life lived by the clock, the genetic engineering of children to be efficient like machines, AI dangers, and the mechanization of humans. Likewise, on here you see a kind of normalfag morality proliferating, just that there is less milquetoast posturing. Now compare that to incels.is. The people there are like the tohno ones, just more extreme in their posturing and frustrated at their sexless life - making them incels. They praise mass killers but want a girlfriend and want to be a normalfag, no matter how much they deny it. They want to have friends; some even want to go to parties. For the most part, they are failed normalfags.
Now, there are two other places I browse that are disconnected from these mentalities. On these, the views people have on mass killings are generally either indifference or some praise. Since they do not express milquetoast societal criticisms or failed normalfag frustration, one might conclude that the people on these two places have more thoroughly rejected society than tohnochan users and incels.
The posts on tohno-chan and incels.is border on virtue signalling, just a darker and more critical form of it. On tohno-chan, this is, "Society is bad in all these milquetoast, soft criticisms of it, but…" posts. On incels.is, this is, "Elliot Rodger is a hero!" posts.
The reaction of a board to mass killings shows, excluding extraneous factors (like with the incels), how connected people on that forum are to society and to present-day morality. In other words, people with pro-societal opinions tend to express shock and anger whenever a mass killing by an individual occurs - and if they are really brainwashed, might even try to justify the latest government war at the same time. People with indifference towards society feel that same indifference towards mass killings, certainly by individuals and perhaps also by the state (unless it disturbs their livelihood). People with anti-societal feelings might praise mass killings because they see the killers as 'getting back' at the people they attribute collective guilt to for their life situation or for society's problems (or both).
Oops, I forgot to type anything. I have never browsed either of those websites you mentioned, but now I'm curious. I'm bored, so I guess I'll check them out and try to wrap my head around your analysis. I'm largely apathetic about society. I don't know if that's better or worse than being invested. I feel like I'm not a part of this story, but I like finding out about things, so thanks for this detailed post
I was hoping the story would stay simple and cute.
What happened to tohno? I can't access it.
It's still up but it supports http only.
It worked when I turned my VPN off. Seems like they blocked VPNs from accessing the site. Didn't know that was possible.
A lot of them are doing that now. I've been blocked by at least over 30 different IBs that I have checked on just here recently.
It's not possible to block all vpns. The issue is if the ips the vpn provides are shared or there's some other way to identify they come from a vpn than websites can figure it out and block them. I'm not a networking it person, so I can't really explain it technically. But I'm pretty sure if an IP is truly unique and unshared than there's no way for a website to tell it's a vpn. >>7567
That is so incredibly stupid that ibs are blocking https.
I meant VPNs but I did notice some having issues with https being http only.
I don't think sharing is the issue, ISPs regularly share IP addresses between home customers through CGNAT and whatnot. One thing that comes to mind would be to check if the owner of the address is a known VPN company, or datacenter, or whatever. But I'm as clueless as you are.>>7569>issues with https being http only.
Pretty sure that's just Tohno not knowing how to set things up. I'm glad he still keeps the place running despite all, at least.
>not worth the drama or killed themselves
That's what happened to the communities I found on here 7-8 years ago. Suicide and the drama that occurs when terminally online people are around each other for too long
I miss my friends man, life was shit then but at least I wasn't alone
Same. Met some friends on some other imageboard but they are gone too now. Hopefully they can rest now. I still miss them though.
i stopped trying to find people in the NEET/hiki sphere cause as mentioned way too much drama.
found a couple on forums and imageboards unrelated to NEET/hiki corners and that's where i stay however i still lurk.
They were permabanned by retards like OP.
Discord to imageboards is like crack to black communities
You know why
I'm in my thirties but have only been to imageboards for a few years so I'm maybe talking out of my ass, but generally seeing how so many people behave online is insane, it's like everywhere you look there's a dick measuring contest going on with everybody removing their masks which at least let us superficially behave like a civilized species.
People like me (neets) don't have much real life context, hardly talking to family or anyone else and therefore mainly have an online reference of how people behave, so we despair, while others who have an actual life going on let steam out by going online and shit on us unkowingly (to be honest we also do it to ourselves). But mainly I mean stuff like influencers who earn more money than I every did just by streaming reaction videos of games I used to get looked at funny for liking, people complaining about stuff I would be glad to have, media analysis about how something I loved is actually about how much of a loser I am, treating others on imageboards or comment sections like some asshole who isn't real, etc.
Another thing is whenever I'm rarely posting something somewhere I'm mostly getting backlashes about how wrong I am, so either my opinions are just very controversial or I'm just dumb, because I'm a neet after all so I guess they have a point.
On the other hand I got raised quite strictly, being friendly and humble is important when growing up in a small village, I basically learned that I need to treat others how I want to be treated. While like I said now I've become older and my only connection left to others is the internet, hence online culture may be affecting me more than others with constant real life experiences. I don't even need to talk about how real life experiences like bullying played into that, so now I rarely have the motivation to post online anymore, and I guess that I'm not the only one feeling that way. So maybe people who know how to put thoughts into words are the ones who are successful in real life at first, and are therefore the ones who post more and more online.
But because of all that I at least now feel more like studying stuff like science that didn't interest me while in school, because I find peace in working on myself instead of trying to form connections with random people on a global scale, though I still would like to find friends or be a part of a small community online to broaden my horizon it's not something I actively strive for anymore.
So my optimistic take is that maybe being a loser for too long helps you to finally work on yourself and leave behind some parts, hence why neets in online spaces are disappearing.
i couldn't read this because of my zoomer fried mind but 30 year olds always talk in this normal formal way idk