/yume/ - Dreams

>>1924
Fun fact: Everybody dreams.

>>1925
I forget most of mine :(

>>1926
Read this: http://www.lucidity.com/NL11.DreamRecall.html (or this http://www.dreammoods.com/dreaminformation/recallingdreams2.htm if it's hard to read the other one). It may take some time, but you’ll gradually recall them better.

>>1927
thanks anon!

>>1913
That'd be cool, One made in source engine could be kind of like LSD dream emulator, I know this isn't a fangame, but this seems more up /fg/'s alley

It's a signal; you have to make a fangame about this.
It has all you need: deepness, strangeness, and memes.
It's perfect.

If you're truly desperate for interesting dreams then you could put yourself under a lot of stress, since thats what spiced up my own dreams. But I wouldnt advise that.

>>1938
lol why would you even suggest that


OP, were you lucid dreaming before or just had control over it?
I can't into lucid dreaming (i've only tried a bit of WILDing unsuccessfully) but I'm able to control myself and have influence over certain things in my dreams.

>>1938
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work since I'm actually under more stress now than when I was a couple of months back. And back then my dreams were fine.
>>1939
A bit of both. Sometimes I had complete control over what I was dreaming, and other times I could only control a couple things while I was dreaming. I can control some things now(like being able to fly and stuff). My dreams just aren't really stimulating.

You know how, mostly in free-roam games, there may be hundreds of houses which you cannot enter? The designers simply can't put so much time and money and hard drive space into readily filling up all those places. Neither can my brain in making dream worlds, although I can still enter random doors and have them lead somewhere. Sometimes I appear in a heavily modified version of my own house, maybe with a new character inside. Other times I appear in other dream worlds that take place in buildings, like this one mansion with infinite staircases. Sometimes I just get a generic, small room. Sometimes when I leave, I appear where I left off, I guess my brain kind of saved a pointer or something. Other times I may appear somewhere else, maybe random, maybe where I would normally appear, such as if I leave an area that looks like my house, I may appear in an area outside my house. I would still like it to be mostly linear in the sense that you can go from one place to another without too much randomness, and you can explore all (most) of the dream worlds without dumb luck, where A tends to lead to B and so forth. But there are also cases where this randomness will simulate real dreams much better. This is another example of LSD Dream Emulator getting an idea correctly, just maybe not implementing it the best it could.

So the chances of going from one place to another, and the chances of an area mutating this way of that, with these colors or these other worlds getting added or chopped up or associated near it, where does this come from? Well, I think that we can treat the structure of dreams in a similar manner to music theory, color theory, and some parts of information theory, where we analyze and take things that tend to be true, and then treat it as if it were inherently true. There will be randomness involved to decide things, but decisions wills be skewed based on statistic or intuition. Musicians studying the Baroque period will take Bach's Counterpoint methods as something that is "correct". Music, as all art, is of course subjective, but if something sounds good 90% of the time, it is useful to treat it as if it were true, and then further build from there. If you were to teach a machine to make Chorales, you would make it usually make its chord progression something like
I - IV - viio - iii - vi - ii - V - I
and then give it some chances to deviate in certain ways that may be more statistically likely than others, and of course very sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1905
I didn't mean to spoil those parts, those should have been bolded, whoops.

Anyway,
What do you guys think? Am I way off base here? You don't need to post anything about it never getting done; it's a personal project that I want to share with people also interested in dreams. At the very least I would like to formalize some algorithms I think would be useful, which is now one of the main focuses of this project. There are many ideas and details I have for the game outside of this but I feel that discussing the way dreams tend to work is more interesting and useful for you guys.

I have a domain and a webserver ready for a kind of shrine I was going to make for Madotsuki, mostyly as a a joke and as an educational experience but maybe I could set it up for you guys if you're interested in this project. I also have an archive of yume nikki and its many fangames in the works that I could post and expand with all of your help, if that also sounds interesting to you. I haven't set up the domain to my webserver yet because I currently have the worst ISP problem ever and it just isn't viable yet but it hopefully will be soon.

I think most of your ideas sound pretty good and generally accurate to what I've experienced in dreams. Especially in regards to how your brain just sort of "knows" things in dreams, even if you'd have no way of knowing it. Knowing where you are, knowing a particular dream characters name & history, etc. That doesn't seem to be something people tend to touch on when discussion dream and dream theory. Not that I've seen at least.

I think it's also important to remember that everybody has their own dream patterns as well. I for example will often times dream of familiar houses and buildings but there will be extra rooms or the layout will be slightly modified. My mother on the other hand, dreams that she's in existing places but the internal layout will be completely different, and often times the rooms will be arranged in grid patterns or even open up to entire forests or oceans. However taking into account everybody elses dream patterns might not be your goal here, since its a personal project you might only want to try and account for your own. Or maybe you're going for more a generic one-size-fits-all dreamscape. In which case I'd advise you to discuss other people's patterns and not work off the assumption that your own dreams are a sort of "default". It's ultimately your project though and you're free to do as you feel is best for it.

As for the websites, I for one would definitely be interested in following a project like this. Maybe wait for more people to speak up though, don't want to pay for hosting if only 1 person is going to be looking at it after all!

>>1910
>In which case I'd advise you to discuss other people's patterns and not work off the assumption that your own dreams are a sort of "default".

Very good point, I should make an effort to try and make things more general. I would like to have others' inputs on this, maybe in a more formalized way, so that a program could "learn" off of the way people generally dream. Some kind of statistical model, you know? My mother has told me about the way her dreams work too, and they can be quite different from mine, but equally as fascinating.

As for the website, I would at least like to share my Yume Nikki archive project with people, even if this dream project isn't as popular. Maybe I should post about that in another place, like the Yume Nikki General board? I'm also a bit worried about this thread getting less attention by being on this board, but I figured I ought to put it here rather than the fangames board since this isn't as "concrete" yet.

Thanks for your input, there are so many questions I need to think about with this project

>>1911
I wish you luck in your project, I do agree that this board isn't the ideal place to discuss it, considering how slow it is. This is really the only board I visit so I wouldn't know which other ones to put it on if you're looking for more traffic, I'm also not sure how strict the mods are on content being directly related to the board it's posted on. I assume since you're posting this on uboachan then you're mostly looking for people with a familiarity to yume nikki to discus this with? Perhaps you should venture out to some of the other yume nikki sites? I'm sure there are more than just uboachan, and I'm sure there's some pretty significant overlap between the userbases of one site to another. It may be easier that way rather than waiting for the few bites on here. Once your project gets off the ground tumblr is actually an excellent site for posting updates and screenshots on.

Again, good luck, hope you can get this all figured out.