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Part two.
There are tons of things supporting this suicide theme in the game. I think this forest sections symbolize the suicide forest of Japan, and I have several reasons. Aside from the fact that the game ends in a suicide and everything in the game could therefore be interpreted as symbols of this fate, there are a bunch of parallels to the “Sea of Trees” suicide forest in Japan and the forest dream world that are very striking. The Japanese forest is supposedly haunted by the ghosts of other suicide victims, first of all (http://www.tofugu.com/2012/07/23/aokigahara-japans-haunted-forest-of-death/). These would tie in to the odd ghost totems that follow you around once you activate them. But more than that, they loudly reinforce Madotsuki’s suicidal thoughts, if we follow the theory that the forest world represents Japan’s Sea of Trees. In the Sea of Trees, people who are unsure about whether or not to go through with their suicide will leave markers behind them, such as bright strips of tape, so that they can find their way out if they need. Ghosts are also said to lead depressives back out of the forest to try and make them change their minds about suicide. Since the ghosts in the game’s forest can serve as markers, they once again tie in to the theory that the forest world is Japan’s Sea of Trees.

Some side characters are also symbolic of depression and suicide: Masada (the pale guy in the space ship), Monoko (deformed girl in the tunnel), and that girl who turns into Uboa. What do all of these characters have in common with Madotsuki? Their isolation (look at where they're located!).
Monoko stands alone in a tunnel in the Monochrome Desert, pacing around until she is hit with the stop light. When Madotsuki interacts with her after using stoplight, the infamous image of Monoko’s body, distorted and seeming to have extra limbs, fills the screen. There’s a key detail here that again ties in to Japanese culture—her feet. She isn’t wearing shoes, but seems to be wearing socks. In Japan, people remove their shoes before committing suicide http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2006/01/17/reference/suicide/ . The practice is so common that when a suicide victim does not remove their shoes, some people become suPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


what if maddie just wanted to become a pilot but forgot the airplane


Dude, this isn't /ot/, please shut up for a second.
For OP, cool theory so far. I would like to know exactly what you think of Poniko and the whole Uboa deal, is that's okay with you.


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Uboa/Poniko is a fairly complicated part of the game. It definitely ties into the theme of isolation/suicide that I mentioned in my earlier post, but there are other significant elements here.

Since this is the only other time we see a girl trapped in a seemingly normal bedroom, I believe Poniko to be a mirror of Madotsuki in a more direct sense than Monoko or Masada. Consider that Poniko transforms when the lights are off and eyes suddenly appear all over the room (rug, poster, window, wardrobe), similar to the way that things change when Madotsuki goes to sleep. It’s made clearer by the fact that, once Poniko transforms, the room becomes inescapable. Poniko’s room becomes nightmarish, like Mado’s dreams.

The sudden appearance of eyes all over the room when Poniko 'transforms' suggest that there's a possible abuse/paranoia aspect to the scene. Of course, eyes mean being watched, and since the dark room suggests night time or sleeping, I see it as a symbolic dream manifestation—when Mado sleeps, she has fears of being watched or stalked by monsters from dark places (there are also watching eyes in many other parts of the game). Keep in mind that after Mado enters her dreams and is in her bedroom, we see a flickering eye on her TV instead of a video game, directly tying in to the Uboa scene and telling us that her bedroom is much more sinister than it seems. In the case of Uboa, there is no escaping the room once the eyes appear. Upon touching Uboa, Mado is taken to a place with a gigantic, blood-spewing creature towering over her, looping over and over in an endless cycle. Mado is doomed to be eternally chased by monster dream-world apparitions of ordinary people. I find it interesting that all of the ‘crazy’ Toriningen (as well as Uboa and a few other monsters) directly place Mado in inescapable places. I think this is one of the most prominent pieces of evidence that Mado was shut in her own bedroom by a monster from her own waking life.

It’s also interesting that the other ‘suicidal’ characters she runs into (Masada and Monoko) have ‘doppelgangers’ in the way that Poniko does (Masada has the weeping creature and Monoko has her odd death-form with the extra arms). So all three (Poniko, Masada, Monoko) have inner selves that show them for the kind of ugly that they are, due to their own loneliness or suicidal traits. To me, this is the creaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



Why would you sage this thread? What the hell is wrong with you?

Anyway, this is a pretty good theory, and makes a lot of sense.

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Theory: Madotsuki is dead and is in purgatory, and is using her dreams to do what she needed to do while she was alive.
I'm not really religious, so my use of the word purgatory might be a bit off.
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OP do you mean limbo? I think both mean similar things, but purgatory is a more religious use of the term.

I see what you mean though. She couldn't pass on or move on until she finished her easter egg hunt for all the things that (speculation) were important to her, or related to her memories and things in her life.

Maybe she was actually stuck in the dream land, and at the end she woke up? I have no idea.


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>backpedals once they realize they're wrong into "Um i was just speculating .-."
>mfw you're trying to project anger/offence on your side onto me
lol tim


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Uh guys did everyone go full retard while I was away?

And your theory is good but what if instead mado was raped?


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ITT: phobias you think madotsuki might have

social anxiety is basically a given, i think. scopophobia is one i think might be possible too

what do you think?


Claustrophobia above all else. If you want to see what I mean, read my last three comments on this thread :D

I agree about the social anxiety but, more specifically, I think it might also have more to do with fear of isolation, tying into the claustrophobia thing. Social anxiety usually has to do with being unable to read facial cues and things like that :D And I always thought that the presence of giant scary things was just a symbolic way of saying that Mado is powerless to change the world around her.


Claustrophobia? I'd argue she'd probably have agoraphobia instead.




I can see what you mean about agoraphobia, but claustrophobia also has a lot to do with feeling trapped or caught in inescapable places. While awake Mado can't leave her room, and this theme is repeated in her dreams when so many monsters (mostly Toriningen) transport her to small and/or impossible-to-escape places. Yes, the game has a lot of bigger spaces, but most of the time they are still totally isolated spots that can't be exited without waking up (which of course brings Mado back to her prison bedroom). Places like Mars or Uboa's "hell" are larger in scale but are still impossible to escape. And of course, all paths loop back on each other, showing that even the dream world is impossible to break out of.

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What if Yume Nikki was just a cool game
That would be totally sweet wouldn't it
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Where he told that Mado is based on a foreign girl he knew, and who later committed suicide?

That interview is most likely fake.


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Well, then my theory is that this game is supposed to whatever you want it to be. You are given a "Window" into this character's dreams, and you are given the chance to build your own little story for her.

So, Basically, the whole game was MADE for fan theories.


I think that there is just too large a range of content in her dreams to be explained by psychological metaphors.


That's just crazy enough to be it!


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In fact i realized that all of those aztec and Shitai-san are not really something that Madotsuki witnessed, in case this could be true we could also start thinking in Madotsuki being the mother of Gyigas as a possible theory.
I think both of these events are more tribute like FC world was, sadly this game is so UNKNOWN by the people to really considerate my theory of tribute, Sanitarium a great psychological horror adventure that was released for the PC back in 1998. Here, players take on the role of an amnesiac who finds himself in a disturbing place with no memory. There are five worlds to explore with many puzzles to solve so Sanitarium is a fairly decent length game. Almost none of the characters that inhabit Sanitarium are sane so it provides some disturbing scenes. It's probably that KIKIYAMA played also this game and wanted to do another tribute on it with all that aztec references and the car accident
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There is also something that supports even more my theory: Both games have a lot of similarities.
Max Laughton is also obsessed with aztecs, can shapeshift in his dreams and needs to solve puzzles in his subcon to progress, while he reaches a totally different ending compared with Madotsuki both are vivid dreamers trying to escape from something or someone and also have to deal with creepy and bizarre NPC's. Maybe I could be comparing Link/Claude Speed with the Dragonborn but you can't deny i have some strong points


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whoops wrong picture last one


What game is that, OP? It's making me crave Diablo II.




you didn't knew how to quote, right?

see above

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What if Sabitsuki, Urotsuki, and Madotsuki were all involved in something like a murder, RHAPE, or some kind of robbery that they feel extremely guilty about. I believe Madotsuki was a child they dragged along with them and was totally innocent, but was plagued with this morbid curiousity of what actually happened. Sabitsuki actually committed the crime, which is why her dreams tend to be darker. Urotsuki was involved but not like Sabitsuki was, and is old enough to understand what she did. Chie is a friend that Madotsuki confided in who feels guilty because she promised not to tell anyone, but knows that she should.
What do you guys think?
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What if all of those characters are completely unrelated, being from different games that were made by different people who had never met (or, most likely, even spoken to) each other?


by reading this I'm thinking that Madotsuki rapist is Claus from Earthbound Saga…



now we are two, and maybe mado is also the mother of gyigas, who was aborted by Nes during one of her slumbers and didn't noticed… WAIT, Mado is also the "little pumpkin" sister of Max Laughton and she didn't die from disease, but from tossing herself from the 42 floor trying to catch the Hitchniker

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What if Yume Nikki was only put in this "Madotsuki" game so that she and Masada could have gay sex on mars and everything else is a filler describing how amazing their sex is and all the cool moves they can use and Madotsuki is a sperm and you're trying to get a girl pregnant and the Toriningen are condoms and that's why Yume Nikki switched to gay sex. So she wouldn't have to use toriningen?


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>toriningens as a condom to keep madospermki from impregnanting an egg

i guess you could say thats technically a…


Oh my god I can even


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I don't know what you're talking about, >>869

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So I was thinking, and if someone had pushed Madotsuki to the ground?
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hey guys

hey listen

what if, monoe is takofuusen

what if monoe wants to contact mado but could only appear as takofuusen



this theory is missing the part where madotsuki gets raped


oh lawd there's more than one of me

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Where does Madotsuki poop/pee/menstrate? There's no bathroom and she never leaves her room.
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Well, she's basically the female version of a stereotypical basement-dwelling neckbeard supersperg so she probably poops/pees/menstruates on herself and doesn't care enough to clean it. Then she plays shitty eroges about rape and whines on the internet about being a virgin and blames it on normalfags and feminists and not on the fact that she smells like shit and never leaves her fucking room.


>>807 Interesting and new theory! I've always imagined Madotsuki to be a lucid dreamer, not somebody who could transport herself to other dimensions.

Theory: The only reason Madotsuki doesn't have a bathroom in her apartment is that Kikiyama was too lazy to make another room and going to the bathroom is not essential to gameplay.

Theory #2: She lives in a place where all the inhabitants have to share a bathroom and the bathroom is outside her apartment. Yes, I have been to a place like this while I was visiting my relatives.

Theory #3: She lives in an attic or basement of a store. The bathroom is located in the store. A part of the reason she refuses to leave her room is that she doesn't have to go to the bathroom/is not hungry.


AAH I forgot about her balcony for a second. If she does live in a store, she lives in its attic.


I think that the first theory is more plausible. Not because he was lazy, just see how big this game is, but because there is no need for the gameplay to have a bathroom and a kitchen. But i still think that her apartment isn't restricted just to the bedroom/balcony.


Oh god, why does everyone here goes like "it's her no bathroom weird appartment" Dear heavens, can't this just be HER/HIS BEDROOM inside a bigger appartment?

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