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I've recently begun climbing the mountain that is the Japanese language. I've learned all the radicals and now i'm ready to get into Kanji. I'm not going to be using mnemonic decives because they seem contrived and annoying. I have enough free time to just use the paper, write over and over again method and that woked perfectly well for radicals. 20 a day that way seems doable. I don't plan on learning stroke order and I don't think i'll need it for my purposes. That's all well and good, but I don't know whether learning the Onyomi and Kunyomi readings is worth it or not. There's a lot of mixed signals from what people say online. Some say I can just learn vocab and take, "mental note", of how the kanji are pronounced, others say it's necessary to learn them to guess how to pronounce things. I'd like to be able to know how something is pronounced just by reading it, but I don't know how important that it. You've got to help me, ubuu.
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This makes some sense. Thanks again. Would you recommend I go through Genki and Tae Kim's quide simultaneously?


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>Would you recommend I go through Genki and Tae Kim's quide simultaneously?
I'd say yes. And other sources that work for you, if you find any.

Honestly, I couldn't finish genki because by the time I picked it up I already knew most of the stuff they teach, and what I knew up to that time was mostly thanks to Tae Kim. However, I think genki is more solid for people who is just starting to grasp the basic of the languages, although I would recommend not to get so attached to it since it is far from perfect. If I recall correctly, the most common complain about genki is that it never leaves the polite forms, which is sort of stupid. There were other things, but honestly I think you should use both and see which one is easier for you to understand. The whole number chapter of genki was nicely explained, if I had to give any opinion on things they did well.

Tae Kim is a speedrun that gives you the basics and some examples of most of the quirks of the language, and starts from dictionary form, then shifts to polite and finalizes with keigo (honorific language). It's basically the guide/manual that you have on your shelf in case you forgot how something works, without having to read a whole chapter for that. Giving it a quick read can make you understand something from genki or other sources that you didn't understand/see at the time.


Go through Tae Kim or a grammar sheet / deck and read something easy while looking up words you don't know on jisho


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Not OP but would you say using formal language all the time is necessary? Like, for sure when talking to like your co-workers, teachers, employers, etc. But on social media especially, I don't personally see the point. Maybe that one is more obvious, but it feels nebulous to say the least.


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All the time? No.
You only use it if you feel it's necessary. Either because of context (as you mentioned, when talking with co-workers, boss, etc), or simply because you feel more comfortable using formal speech. For example, when asking for permissions to translate something, or when I'm discussing with jap anons here or in other places, I tend to write in formal form even when it's not really necessary; I'm just showing them that I was willing to learn their language to have a better communication, and that while I was at it, I was going to use it correctly. This hasn't stopped me from going full dick on futaba or other forums, à-la Makise Kurisu, if the heat of the moment made me do so. Practically the same when I go full autistic in english, to be honest.

So, tl;dr this is highly personal, use whatever you feel comfortable with. Most jap anons write informally and with slang, but it's not odd to see the one using -masu and desu everywhere.

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post interesting stuff you found in the other side of teh internets
that may be MADs, macros, random stuff from NND/bilibili or just anything that caught your eye


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I like this cat meme.


Speaking of bilibili, do any of you know how to download videos from there? The old devtools workaround doesn't seem to work anymore.


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「2 日本」に日本語版と日本語の説明をします



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How has anime/nip stuff changed your personality? What were you like after you really got into it compared to before?

In elementary school I probably spent more time in the office than in class. I almost compulsively did stuff to tick the teacher off and she wasn't actually that great considering how poorly she dealt with me. Around middle school I started watching typical slice of life crap. I started comparing myself to the characters. They were polite, courteous and thoughtful. They just seemed better than me, so I started trying to emulate them. It wasn't an immediate change, but I grew to be a lot more respectful of adults and in control of myself. It sort of put me on a better path. I did also start noticing how much more freedom characters seemed to have compared to me in my suburban environment, which i'm still kind of bitter about, but I wouldn't consider getting more perspective a bad thing.


I adopted quite a bit of japanese mentality, prioritizing harmony of a group now over self-affirmation. It's a double edged sword though. I'm bad at reading the air and can't handle arguments or direct criticism well.


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Ooh this is something I've thought about a lot. I think it has definitely changed my life in a pretty dramatic way.

Like you, I found that slice of life stuff made me try to be a better version of myself. Everyone in those shows maintains a very positive attitude, are kind to the people around them, and society reciprocates them for it. It made me more like that and has helped me out with making friends. Kindness goes a long way.

I also think my sense of humour has been changed dramatically. Like, Japanese humour is really freaking weird, and I feel like those who didn't grow up with it might not "get it" if I show it to them. Western stuff doesn't really do it for me any more.

I also just feel like some of the Japanese mentality has permeated my mind in some way or another. I watched way too much anime during my formative years, so I'm sure I act just a bit weird for a westerner. Even just repeating stupid anime mannerisms. Who knows.


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>prioritizing harmony of a group now over self-affirmation.
i wonder if these two thought processes are mutually exclusive. sometimes harmony or what is best for a group sometimes feel like it can lead to self-affirmation. i can see what you mean, though.

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Recently I've started to actually learn Japanese and contemplate moving there once I mastered the language, already had knowledge in an area of specialty, and professional experience so that I could actually be a useful member of society there. It's clean, the trains are quiet and on time, there no, "urban youths", to tolerate if you catch my drift. I'm starting uni next fall, so that's a long ways off. This is sort of like a cross-roads in my life where any kind of future seems like a realistic possibility. However, as I did more research I became painfully aware of the elephant in the room: foreigners are not accepted and have no defined role in Japanese society. Let me preface this by stating 2 things. 1.This post is not intended to be political. 2.I'm not one of those morons who think Japan should be shamed into adopting Europe's retarded approach to letting in outsiders.

Before this point, I thought problems people who went there had could mostly be attributed to their lack of understanding the social etiquette. Of course some loud idiot would stand out and be rejected. I figured a person who did the work involved to fully understand the language and the ins and outs of social interaction would be just fine, but that't not what I found. There's a lot to unravel, so i'll start with the biggest thing that struck me, housing discrimination. The way I see it, I don't care how hard it is to get in. I don't care if they don't let anybody in at all. They could make people pass Kanken 1, however, doesn't a person who does get in, who does meet the requirements, deserve the ability to get something as basic as housing? Shouldn't something as essential as that be guaranteed? If they just want some South Korean temp laborers, fine, but what I see is a sort of half-assed acceptance. Would other countries really be so pissed if they didn't let in anybody? Is it just to appease the, "international community"? There's probably similar stuff involving health care or other such things, but I don't know much about that and you get the idea.

From what I've read, the way you're perceived as a foreigner is very binary. Either people will be hostile towards you, or more likely they'll treat you like some kind of attraction. There's no third option. Doesn't matter how long you've been there, or how well-adjusted you try to be, there's no third option(recognition). I suppose physical attraction plays a role in which of the two categories you get placed inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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From what I recall, the housing problem is mostly because most landlords are old, around in their 80's, thus they're much more stiff regarding foreigners than others. It also seems extremely recent.
Where I live, a lot of people in their 20's come from Israel come and stay in hostels. Or rather, they used to. Now most hostels don't want to house them and even claim their rooms are full even if they're not just because they don't want to deal with them. Pretty racist, you'd say, right? Turns out these kids are a disaster. They break things, and make a lot of mess, and so the owners just don't want to deal with that crap anymore. How true is this, now after some time has passed? I really can't tell. But that's how things are now. Maybe it's the same in Japan; a lot of tenants were just a disaster, communications were bad, and so the rumors that gaijin are shitty tenants spread like a fire?

>Maybe 2ch isn't an accurate reflection of that subset of the population, but what would be then? I don't know. Maybe i'm just going crazy.

2ch is good for knowing what bothers part of the society, but not all of the society. It's a place where hon'ne prevails over tatemae, populated by people from all social strands, but where being spiteful isn't odd at all. You just have to take it with a grain of salt, like in western imageboards. Here I don't mind calling people faggots and niggers just because (even when I'm not racist), but in real life I don't go spouting this stuff everywhere. They're the same over there.

It's really hit or miss. Most japanese authors are extremely respectful, even when demanding something of you (i.e. please take this download off), but others just snap really bad. Zenmaigahara apologized already, so I think he just was mad at *some* western kid who stole his stuff and was being spiteful with that anonymous entity, but that backfired when westerns took it as an insult and miscommunication lead to it all.
I don't even know what's wrong with Hachisuka, so I can't even say a thing about why he went full retard with the "I want to keep track of the fandom" thing. Maybe he can't read english?


Are those Israelites trying to become permanent residents? From what I understand, there's a big difference between hostels and full blown apartments.
>populated by people from all social strands
Realy, huh? Aren't western image boards almost entirely populated by social pariahs? 2ch even has a guro board and going from what some Japanophiles who hate weebs have to say, stuff like that is heavily frowned upon by the normals there, they just, "tolerate", it unlike in the west. How would I go about finding hikkimori's\otaku's perception then if normals frequent 2ch?

From all of this, i'm thinking once i'm old enough I should just be a mountain hermit provided I could feed myself, have internet, and make trips to civilization when I needed something. Somehow that feels pathetic and defeatist though. I hunger for something, but I don't know exactly what it is or where I can get it.


>Are those Israelites trying to become permanent residents? From what I understand, there's a big difference between hostels and full blown apartments.
No, just tourists, but I was trying to rationalize why they'd do that.

>Realy, huh? Aren't western image boards almost entirely populated by social pariahs? 2ch even has a guro board and going from what some Japanophiles who hate weebs have to say, stuff like that is heavily frowned upon by the normals there, they just, "tolerate", it unlike in the west. How would I go about finding hikkimori's\otaku's perception then if normals frequent 2ch?

You are mixing up the imageboard futaba (2chan) with the textboard nichan (2ch). They're not the same, 2ch has both "normalfags" and pariahs. Futaba, on the other hand, is for social outcasts (i.e. otaku). Those are the guys with the porn, lolis and guro.
Raiju and otaku normally don't leave their boards, and they only converge in places like VIP. Occasionally. You know, 2ch has like 10 million posts per day, that can't be the work of just the otaku. Look up some info, I remember reading the popularity of 2ch is due to the fact you can bitch as much as you want without having to deal with the consequences of having your name attached to it.

>From all of this, i'm thinking once i'm old enough I should just be a mountain hermit provided I could feed myself, have internet, and make trips to civilization when I needed something. Somehow that feels pathetic and defeatist though. I hunger for something, but I don't know exactly what it is or where I can get it.

Eh, I don't know, I'd like to live in Tohno or Shirakawa-go or some quite place like that in my future, since it seems that they're more calm and chill over those places than Tokyo. I don't think Japan is really that bad, most of the time when I read people complaining about lifestyles in Tokyo it seems to me they never understood Japanese mentality in the first place. Not like I do, probably. But I know that not everything is roses and wine, and people can be shitty on this country already so it's not like dealing with slanted-eyes assholes would make my day worse.


TL;DR: Don't move to Japan.


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This is all very good to know and i'm very thankful towards you for explaining it to me. Maybe i'm in a trasitional phase and these are the growing pains.

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Which do you prefer? I actually like watching anime more. With a book you get total freedom to imagine things the way you like and with animation there's a lot for your senses to chew on. Manga is in that mid-ground where you don't have as much freedom or stimulus. Even visual novels are better since they have sound and color. Also, I like binging through stuff all at once. With an anime, you only have to wait a couple months to do that, but manga that's currently being published could take years to finish.
In manga's favor, it's sometimes better at actual story telling since nothing's cut and individual panels can have a lot more detail on them. I also get that anime basically works like an advertisement for its source material, but it's still not hard for me to pick between one or the other.


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Mangas usually have more unique premises and more freedom for the creator since animation is such an expensive demeanour, so they usually pay off for the lack of visual stimuli with better told plots (not held by time constraints / episode timetables), a more unique/defined artstyle and something more in between. Manga's can be way shittier than anime's lows though, since the lack of pretty stuff to look at coupled with bad writing, a bland artstyle and characters can make for a total flippin' borefest.

I prefer mangas myself. Lately these past few seasons there hasn't been anything that interesting airing, at least in my POV. And it's always fun to go on a trip and find underappreciated doujin gems or more underground stuff than it is with anime, since that medium is so commercialized.


Manga usually gets the more outlandish plots. With a manga, you could get anything from top tier quality to the worst cancer ever drawn and published. With anime, the range is less wide; you're either getting a good manga with added sound, colour, &c or you're getting a not so good manga with added sound, colour, &c.
Honestly, I'd usually at least read the manga to get the full story, no cuts. Anime adaptations are usually watchable, but few are really good.


Added sound and color would make a visual novel. Motion is the biggest advantage anime has over manga.


I prefer manga because the art is more attractive and I can follow the story at my own pace. Anime is usually adapted from manga and they change so many things it doesn't resemble the original; I also dislike the voice acting, be it in japanese or english.

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I've heard from a lot places that newer touhou games are far worse than their predecessors, but I haven't really seen anybody say why. I've only played a few so i'm kind of out of the loop. How have the games gotten worse and why? Are people just tired of the same thing?


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So I guess nobody here actually plays touhou?


Yes, I don't feel like replying because I see no point. If you enjoy them just play them.
But if you reall want to know, most people hate the new designs and think ZUN is out of ideas and copying fangames too much/taking too many fan memes seriously, hence why the newer games "worse". If you've actually played all of them you'd see some sort of deranging in quality, but for that you need to play them and judge by yourself.


Unpopular "gimmicky" mechanics and just more of the same. ZUN has been lying in the status quo for ages now, QA only improves ever so slightly from game to game. Can't say he's doing something wrong though, guy has to make dough for beer.

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There's a lot of good fucking shit being aired this fall. Amirite? What's your favorite this season?
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>If anything, its more specific than a typical genre.
I'm not seeing it. My picture of it is that demographic and genre are two semi-independent ways of categorising media, the first one based on who consumes it and the second one based on what themes are in the work itself. You could have a shoujo fantasy manga, or a seinen fantasy manga, for example, and they'd both explore the themes of fantasy in ways most suitable to the demographic. I say semi-independent instead of independent because as you said different demographics like different genres, there's not an equal amount of sports tournament anime/manga for shounen vs josei for example.


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Even in the states there's such a thing as YA novels/movies. It's also considered a type of, "genre". When you hear ya, a lot of the same stuff comes to mind: shitty romances, love triangles, plain Jane that everyone thinks is special, etc. I think seinen has a lot of commonalities too. Lots of death, complex concepts and questions, older male protagonist who's thrust into extraordinary circumstances, demanding of audience. Death Note and Parasyte have all of those things in common. If it wasn't a genre, I wouldn't know what to expect when going into one. Not all of it fits that mold, but I think it can articulate a person's preferences none the less.


I have been enjoying Overlord 3, Middle Manager Tonegawa and Megalobox.
Looking forward for the goblin slayer. Indeed, there are lot of good things lately.


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Nice, I'm loving Part 5 too so far! It's shaping up to be the best Jojo anime yet.


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At three episodes in, it's a little too early to say. Battle Tendecy is extremely rewatchable for me.

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Currently I'm rewatching K, since a series of movies are being released recently. I also just finished rewatching Record of Lodoss War a few days ago.


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I don't tend to rewatch stuff. Going through the same story is just a little depressing to me. One exception is Welcome to the NHK. It's relatable in an emotional way that makes me want to rewatch it and compare it to my own life.
A few comedic shows like Great Teacher and DLHB are also nice to go back to every so often.


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Fullmoon wo Sagashite. Despite it being a "classical" shoujo story, it actually manages to reach really mature points and the story feels like it has something besides the "love story with overidealized guy" (specially since there is a reason for that).


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Record of Lodoss War

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