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 No.3609

This has been a long time coming, and I've noticed the problem getting worse and worse. Moderation of images has been getting excessive and overbearing. I'm going to try to be as civil as possible, and what I ultimately want is mutual understanding.

According to the rules posting
>guro, gore, or shock porn
is disallowed. What is defined as guro or shock porn however, seems to be getting interpreted more and more liberally over time. Here's some examples. Around last Christmas, I posted this image right here and it was deemed perfectly fine, for reference.
>>>/hikki/4219
A bit after that, I posted this image
https://img.booru.org/guro//images/18/815db7fd858565cba685ba4d7674a9aad186cfcb.jpg
and it was deleted. This post is not guro, it does not have a dead body in it. They aren't even being suffocated. There's just a little piss. I would argue that it does not at all fall under the umbrella of, "shock porn". Shock porn has traditionally been used for stuff like goatse, lemon party, and shitting dick nipples: stuff with zero sex appeal for anybody under any circumstances, which this clearly differs from.

The biggest issue I have however, has to do with loli. I've posted loli in the past, and even recently here
>>>/fg/13936
For the most past, it's been fine, but the noose has been feeling tighter and tighter.
At one point I posted a picture of a loli hanging herself, and despite it containing no nudity and not being pornographic in the slightest, or even showing a face, it was deleted. I don't want to be accusatory, but this really seems like a case of mod moral faggotry. I'm sorry, it just does. I dare say a picture of a man hanging himself would not be deleted.
Just this hour, I posted this image
https://simg3.gelbooru.com//images/21/5d/215d7d2805c5cebd64dca802e79c320d.png
and it was deleted. There's absolutely nothing potentially, "shocking", about this, except for it being loli. If that's enough to be considered shocking, this site has died it my eyes. It has lost the core essence that sets it apart from everywhere else.

Recently, I've noticed that the user responsible for 99% of the post reports, has actually become a moderator. This is highly, highly, highly, highly disturbing. I'm sorry, i'm really sorry, but the more I write the more pissed I get. If there is some anti-loli mod in our midst, I would kindly like them drag their fat ass back to the discord. Please excuse me, I really am trying my best to keep myself contained, but this is the kind of stuff that gives me aneurysms.

Right now, I just want more clarification for the users and mods in terms of rules and enforcement when it comes to images. While I hope things will pan out for the better even though that's not guaranteed, as things are now, it can't carry on.

 No.3610

>>3609
Also, splitting the site between sfw and nsfw parts despite it traditionally been entirely nsfw and you'd have to be an idiot to use ubuu at work, just to appease prudish, self-righteous, uppity mods would be a very bad solution.

 No.3611

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Back when /h/ was still there but unused and dead as fuck, I made a loli thread. Everybody was okay with it. Hell, I keep posting loli occasionally; I also posted light guro (pics related, for a while I only used fox girl pictures) back in the day. This really has to do with recent mod activity rather than some sort of site policing. Ubuu was always okay with it, whoever the fuck is going full stupid with this should really visit the old site.

 No.3612

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>>3611
Exactly, exactly, this is what i'm talking about. I remember /h/. Slime girls and loli galore. The idea is this: anybody, or any group, that thinks drawings, drawings, god damn drawings, should be banned because they violate some fantasy objective moral code, is a cancer. They are freedom murdering demons. I don't know how else to say it. I'm passionate about this. That's how strongly I feel, rational or not. I hide this stuff about myself all the time, but ubuu is a haven.

I suspect it's this [redacted] guy. Always rubbed me the wrong way.

 No.3613

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I think you're blowing things out of proportion. I've never banned your IP range for more than 60 seconds (what essentially is a joke/slap in the wrist), even when you intentionally sagebomb and go on crusades to derail entire threads for innocuous posts.
On moralfaggotry, I'm completely indifferent to loli / guro and I'm just acting on based rules. The staff team historically hasn't made its ruleset clear and has always been either a) too inactive to enforce any rules b) lax/zealot as fuck, or down to pragmatism / personal interpretation. From my interpretation, guro is okay if you spoil it (as stated on the ruleset), and risque loli is okay, anything involving a cunt or two that is not relevant to the topic at hand, and probably is just being posted to "screw it to the normalfags" is fiddy/fiddy for me. Basically all my (3 or so) joke bans have been for that aforementioned reason. Not for loli itself, but for the context it was posted in. There is also a rule on US legality and we can lawyer all day long about that if you want.

Are you the janitor? You can contact me if you desire. I'll shoot you a PM if that's so.
>I suspect it's this 9x.x3.25x.x9 guy. Always rubbed me the wrong way.
That's a low blow and a trend I've spotted. You've made direct out of nowhere callbacks to anons' post histories in the recent past and unless you're some god at connecting lexical patterns, I think that's lowkey abuse.

 No.3614

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>>3613
>I think you're blowing things out of proportion.
When I notice a negative change that seems to be progressing, I don't think so. When I used to be able to do shit that I can't do anymore, that's an issue.
>The staff team historically hasn't made its ruleset clear
Well that's the problem, and that's what I want to be fixed. I would highly prefer lax, ehhhh whatever moderation, and that seems to be an option open to you. It's not about bans. Bans suck, sure, but image deletion is in some ways worse. It treads the line. Not extreme enough to really bother people, but enough to neuter their ability to express things.
>Not for loli itself, but for the context it was posted in
And how exactly does that make sense? Where does it say context matters when it comes to the specific things i'm talking about? In the rules, it doesn't clearly define whether loli pussy has to be spoilered or not. The only reason why it would be is if it falls under, "shock porn". You haven't addressed any of my examples.
>There is also a rule on US legality and we can lawyer all day long about that if you want.
Fuck the lawyer shit. You know as well as I do that, "enforcement", is a joke and it's vague as hell. I also want this to be public since it concerns the entire userbase. They deserve a say. I don't want any under the table bs.

 No.3615

>>3614
>Well that's the problem, and that's what I want to be fixed.
Well, either that or it's agreed that the approach should be less liberal. Every mod follows the rules, but how they do so differs for better or worse, which is entirely their own choice.

 No.3616

>>3615
ps, ps, if this is all about law shit, sei could always have one set of public rules that are vague and a mod specific set that feds or whoever can't see if it's really that big of a deal.

 No.3617

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 No.3618

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>>3614
>When I notice a negative change that seems to be progressing, I don't think so. When I used to be able to do shit that I can't do anymore, that's an issue.
You can still post DFC, nobody is impeding you from that. I didn't ban you for >>>/fg/13936 or delete the image, I have only deleted unspoilered guro or /v/ type "panic spam" (as I call it) where you posted a barrage of porn, unspoilered guro and loli alike, (usually with the 4 image limit reached) in the middle of an enraged post.

I can refrain from deleting images if that's what you would want, but do mind that it's not really the images that matter, it's the context of the post and how it interacts with it. The 1m "no loli" ban that (probably) triggered the creation of this thread was a placeholder ban.
To be honest and completely transparent, I was probably going to ban you for a day for unnecessary shitflinging spanning multiple threads but I thought about it and I decided to give you a chance and see if you would cause ruckus in another thread in the future.

As for the individual examples you pointed out, the one on /hikki/ you linked is too lite (mainly due to the artstyle), as for the other one, asphyxiation and BDSM isn't really mainstream anymore, neither is a golden shower, which is /d/ stuff. That interpretation of "shock" might differ from mod to mod, but to be completely frank, I'm the only active mod aside from sei who comes to check in from time to time.
Call me die fuhrer or literally Hitler but I'm trying to be lax. Feel free to be angry and fuck some shit up, it's an imageboard and the world is your oyster, but don't do it to the point where it drowns out threads ( >>>/hikki/5143 for example. The incel /r9k/ frogette would leave in no time after getting no attention ). And self-moderation in the form of sage bombing and posting lolis/guro is kind of a meme, believe me on that one, I tried. A polite disagreement or a no way fag is often better to a crusade.
TL;DR: It's not about the means of reproduction its about the friends you made on the way.

>>3616
>ps, ps, if this is all about law shit, sei could always have one set of public rules that are vague and a mod specific set that feds or whoever can't see if it's really that big of a deal.
The ubuu secret society cartel is already set into motion, not even the chicanos can stop us now

 No.3620

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>>3618
I know you're trying to reason with me and cajole me into a false sense of security, but I can taste something bitter and i'm not going to ignore it that easily.
>You can still post DFC
Explain the last deletion then. Not shock porn(by any existing standards), not guro, not gore. Disliking how I utilize images and judging mod action based on that is what's the main issue here.
>/v/ type "panic spam"
Exactly where is that stated to be against the rules? I remember that post, nothing in it was particularly bloody. The issue is still with what exactly is defined as shock porn and guro.
>it's the context of the post and how it interacts with it.
Why? Why does this matter. How is a post somehow worse because it contains an image that also by itself wouldn't be deleted? How exactly does that make sense.?
>The 1m "no loli"
That had absolutely nothing to do with it. I didn't even notice it. Again, this has been a long time coming and I considered making this thread half a year ago.
>That interpretation of "shock" might differ from mod to mod, but to be completely frank, I'm the only active mod aside from sei who comes to check in from time to time.
This is extremely contrived and makes absolutely no sense. Piss play isn't mainstream huh? Loli isn't either, does that make it shock porn then? What about candle wax, that's not too mainstream either, does that also coint? I could go on and on. It's illogical.

Why do I think I know where you send your time outside of whenever you check into the board? Hmmmmm.
>self-moderation in the form of sage bombing and posting lolis/guro is kind of a meme
What the fuck does that even mean? Is moderator action more based on policing people based on feelings than preventing rule breakage? This isn't sushichan. Keeping absolutely everything, "comfy", isn't a rule. You didn't mention the non porn lolicide.

I can accept that I shouldn't sage bomb for the sake of arguments or to keep flame wars going, but that's about the only thing this post clears up. I'm not asking you for a favor, I want an iron clad agreement that holds mods accountable as much as users and maintains uboachan's value.

 No.3621

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>>3620
First of all, I'd like to apologize for insulting you personally. I didn't make this thread to piss the mods off or, "cause a ruckus", or anything like that.

You to keep in mind something else. Uboachan is the only site I use to interact with other people. Not social media, not leddit, not any other chan, and definitely not dickcord. It's my one site. Other than here I talk to people in real life. This is where I feel I can be really open. That's why it's so important to me. Before you say I could just use a porn site if I really want to look at loli or whatever, it's just part of the equation. An important part, but not the whole thing. Anybody that doesn't see how the rest of the internet is getting worse is a fool. It's like an infection of something and i'm feeling cornered. Ubuu is the corner.

If I really had to, I could come up with loopholes. Whenever making any thread, I could just put lewd in the subject box and say the thread has two topics, meaning anybody could post anything lewd and it would be, "on topic". That's not against the rules. I could also just make a general lewd thread and use cross-board posting to reply to anybody within that. I could come up with more if I really needed to. After all, that would just be my interpretation of the rules. I don't want to have to do that, i'm just saying this to prove a point.

 No.3622

>>3621
One more thing, I actually wanted to use this image in the most recent deletion, but I held back. It's pretty run of the mill stuff too for what it is. I actively tried to appease whatever restrictions apparently exist, and it didn't work.
https://simg3.gelbooru.com//images/ef/45/ef4528fe771b031a538839f47b5c558f.jpeg

 No.3624

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I have already made it clear that it's not about loli or guro but rather your explosive derailment that consistently came with those two. Even if the images were kept up, you would still be warned for thread derailment and flamebaiting. Any user can post those two (guro if properly spoiled) and be left off fine. There is nothing more to clear up at all. Shit's locked.



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