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Why does every trans thread have to descend into total bullshit and irrelevant off topic petty hatred?

Jesus christ, I look away for a second..

I originally pinned this thread in /hikki/ because basically all trans-related discussion happens in /hikki/ and the thread was meant to contain that and enable it. You can't have a containment thread without pinning it or it might drift off the front page during a moment of activity and then it might as well not exist. And we felt like having a whole board might be a bad idea to start with.

But yeah I am starting to feel like maybe this thread is not a good fit for /hikki/. Maybe I should move it to /ot/. Or, would a containment board be best? Or should I just redouble my efforts on modding the thread as is?

So like, yes we need a containment thread, where the fuck do I put it? If there's not a "trans thread" then a bunch of other threads veer into that topic and get derailed because there's nowhere designated to talk about it and people treat it like a controversy. People on the site want to have these conversations. That isn't going to just stop just because I wipe the thread, it'll just spill out again.

>>4116
>should I just redouble my efforts on modding the thread as is?
Maybe try this first.

A board dedicated entirely to trans topics might not be a bad idea but it woudld still attract the same flies and would probably be mostly dead. Seeing /trans/ in the board list might be a big advertisement for transphobes, schizos, and NAZIS too.

>>4116
>You can't have a containment thread without pinning it or it might drift off the front page during a moment of activity and then it might as well not exist.
Since Ubuu is a pretty slow imageboard, it's highly unlikely that thread will drop off the face of the Earth merely by being unpinned. Just think about it. How many posts do we get per week? That's not enough to kick it off away from view, even on /recent.
And for what it's worth, I still think it being pinned is what caused people to react so badly on the first place.

an /ot/ thread might be the next step, but then again hikki is where uboanons were talking about trans stuff before so those threads might just pop again on hikki if people don't know that the /ot/ thread exists.

More moderation and unpinning the thread are the steps I'd try next before moving boards, one at a time, then both.

A trans board is not a good idea imo, it'll get raided by outsiders much worse than anyone in the thread rn.

>>4116
Hey sai, op here. I'm glad to see you saw the thread, but also you shouldn't have to have the weight of the world on your shoulders. Perhaps a first port of call is getting more mods. That would help dispel further fashieposting, and also make existing moderation tasks easier. It just sucks it has to be this way. I've visited sushigirl before, and maybe emphasising a non-strict, vibes-based theme of comfiness could help? It sucks that basically the only place to discuss yume nikki that isn't overrun by omori-playing faggots has such a culture of elitism. While I'm not one of those liboid faggots that thinks chan boards are ontologically evil, i do think that the anonymity, combined with a focus on hikki, can kind of create an echo chamber.

Sorry if I sound like a faggot, it just makes me so sad to see funny schizo walking simulator website so hateful and angry. Especially when it's supposed to be welcoming to outcasts and speds.

Also iim writing this from mobile so no doctor who image

>>4120
Additionally are you pinkpill or bluepill

>>4118

>And for what it's worth, I still think it being pinned is what caused people to react so badly on the first place.

Hard disagree, nazi faggots will get pissed at anything. I honestly think that pinning it might at least signal that it's not 4chan and that at least some level of niceness is required to be on the site. I couldn't give a fuck about the lurkoid faggots that claim that the le soul of their le pure epic kek w based uboachan is getting destroyed; if they want to stay so much they can just not be nazis?????

Also I'm sick of this mentality that people seem to hold that any slight form of moderation will turn the place into a hugbox. I've been in hugboxes, they're faggy, and it takes a lot more than adding "don't post the jewish question" to the site rules to turn a place into one. I think we need to give sei credit; they know how to strike a balance between community and censorship.

>>4124
The chanosphere is a forest full of wolves because of its "you're free to do what you want with no consequence" nature.

Placing a sign outside of your house full of sheep that says "house full of sheep" in the middle of that forest and going "who cares what the wolves think XD" is not a good idea. Especially considering the housekeepers that need to do the work of keeping the wolves out.

>>4116
It makes no difference which board it's on. Do people even check up on individual boards except for finding old threads? On a site this speed I'd expect everyone to just go to /recent/. I don't think the different boards here have their own distinct communities. The only thing to do is decide how mental health threads should be moderated. In an autism general, would it be ok to make posts about how autism isn't real? Maybe, so long as it wasn't too vitriolic and didn't overshadow the autists, but I would also understand banning this. What about an ADHD general? There are more people who believe ADHD is fake. This is due to a misunderstanding, but there's still some truth in it, as ADHD is overdiagnosed. But why is that discussion happening in the first place? Maybe people are using the thread wrong, maybe a thread for people to discuss their mental condition should not be about overarching discussion of the mental condition in society. That brings me to my only criticism of the posting of the thread itself, trans flag colours in the OP image are arguably a political symbol, not an icon for gender dysphoria. But maybe that doesn't matter.

>If there's not a "trans thread" then a bunch of other threads veer into that topic and get derailed because there's nowhere designated to talk about it and people treat it like a controversy.
I saw those posts. In my opinion the ubuu mod team needs to be just slightly bolder in their assessment of the motivation behind a post - to me, those were obviously bait. They were like parodies of reddit posts. Baiting and false flagging about transgender people DOES happen on imageboards. I like people getting the benefit of the doubt, but not when the doubt is THAT slim. It's the same mentality that has led to one guy being allowed to samefag over the whole site for years now.

What about a dedicated sexuality board where a trans thread could be pinned? That way you can contain all the sexuality and relationship posts.

>>4126
I take it back a little bit, I'm sure there were some sincere posts too. But there were also definitely some false flags.

>>4127
Bad idea. Sexuality is extremely irrelivent for shutins 95% of the time. I thought of suggesting a board for mental conditions which could have a gender dysphoria and transitioning thread, but it just seems unneccisary.

Since transgenderism involves transmutation from one form to another I suggest we stick it on /x/ board. It might not be paranormal, but it involves a kind of alchemy I guess.

Or what about a hidden board? Or just have a trans board but don't call it /trans/ and come up with some other name and topic.

>>4126
Eh, i fear adding too many specialised threads could make it too "uwu quirky happy stim neuro divergent". Sei added the trans thread because that was common discussion, not because of an attempt to shift the culture of the site. While i hate the fall of the west faggots, and i think that some cultural shift is ok, it should happen organically, if that makes sense.

>>4129

I agree. Also /x/ is chill

>>4125
Ban em then?

>>4132
Bans on imageboards are cosmetic at best, every Anon on the planet knows to reset their router to avoid them, look at the I love anal Avenger for example, we know who he is and what he posts, which is more than we know about some random bigoted anons, yet he can post whenever he likes and there is no way to stop him, where as if you get banned from Facebook or Discord, you need at least another minute or two and to care enough to make a new email, sometimes you may even need a phone verification.

tl;dr imageboard bans aren't real

>>4133
ai faggot

but yeah i feel ya, just sucks is all ;_;

It appears I was right about the trans thread catching fire very soon, huh…

Did we really need a single trans thread? Why not rollback a little and let the trans folks create their own little trans threads about their own little trans problems? If it's going to be derailed - then so be it, all that's need is to not let the discussion to be turned into a heated argument and/or trolling.

And maybe let a few RGB folks in moderation team to let them moderate LGBT-related discussions.

>>4135
Agreed. This is better so discussions around sexuality and gender to come about naturally and aren't segregated off somewhere. I guess one advantage of a trans specific thread is having resources in the sticky, but the trans thread doesn't even have that.

LGBT culture is really trashy and specific boards just attracts the worst kinds of posters.

>>4138
This sounds appealling, but nartzees gonna nartzee. I guess maybe one thread is easier for the jannies? I seriously doubt that the people jqposting on the tran thread are doing it due to a simple disagreement with how the site's being directed. Nobody snaps around to fall of the west bullshit that fast. If they want to be horrible faggots won't they sniff the other threads out fast enough?

>>4139
If "one thread" was easier for jannies - this thread wouldn't exist.

If you don't remember - the original issue that led to creation of so-called "trans mega thread" was the derailment of trans folk's threads about their trans problems. As we all can see, this measure has proven to be ineffective and the thread was quickly derailed as well, although with some resistance.

Another issue is that Seisatsu is the only LGBT folk in moderation team, and only Seisatsu knows how to treat the rule-breaking situations that involves LGBT stuff. At least that's how I think, I'm sure the other moderator folks will correct me if I'm wrong.

My suggestion, again, is to ditch the "trans mega thread" and hire a few jannies from LGBT circle to monitor LGBT-related threads in /hikki/.

And let's not forget about the existence of report button. It exists, it works well, and anyone can use it to report something they find rule-breaking.

> ✖ Your request looks automated; Post discarded.
Automate your ass, damn you.

The trans thread should be nuked. Look at it. The whole thing is a mess.

>>4171
is it even a psyop if you're so obviously being retarded on purpose