watch kids shows, lay down, or make something
when im depressed i have no willingness to leave the bed
- eating (most of the time too much or too less)
- trying to do simple tasks like cleaning up or washing myself
- taking a walk, if the weather is interesting
- listening to comforting/depressing music
- lowering my physical health
- browsing for cute pictures in boorus and on chans
- re-watching anime (new shows are too exhausting)
- looking at photos from good times in the past
This and drinking and sometimes trying to write my book.
I drink myself to sleep
I work on my punching bag for a while.
cut off one of my fingers
Clever, your pain will go away in 20 steps.Not.
try to sleep>>812
get it together OP, be a man
cry on top of the bed, like any normal person would
That's illegal anon.
not that anon, but i read that as "your penis will go away in 20 steps."
i am always depressed. so i at as usual. sleep 14 hours then play video games. vatch anime or series.
I try to distract myself in any way I can. Drawing, driving, watching youtube or a movie…really anything, as long as it can distract me
I take long drives to nowhere and back.
There's something about being in a car, about quietly watching the world go past you, that reminds you that your problems really aren't that bad. Life goes on.
Honestly though, it's really soothing to drive around aimlessly. I live by a bunch of small country towns so I just loop through them, listening to whatever music, and it's extremely relaxing and it eases nerves
i take lots and lots of benadryl
I go for a walk while listening to Yume Nikki soundtracks or Memories Of Replica or any game with an emotionally involved soundtrack.
I play a lot of .flow when I am depressed. I love Yume Nikki but for some reason if I play it while deppressed it will make things worse.
Wow so much people with depression!
People may have bouts of depression, people may have depression that gets worse their their normal. and some people may simply feel down long enough where it could count as depression.
I vote it is nothing to think to hard on here in the forums, and one could easily assume being on the /hikki/ board they probably do have depression or some other mental illness.
It's kinda fun actually, give it a try.
>>1194>People may have bouts of depression
Maniac-Depressive syndrome bouts do fit in the depression definition.
>people may have depression that gets worse their their normal
Here's where the distinction between feeling down and depression comes in hand. Feeling down is just feeling down, being depressed is losing the motivation and interest to keep on, among other symptoms such as despair, anxiety, feeling worthless, helpless, empty, etc. I could also note MMD but I didn't want to get too technical over it.
>and some people may simply feel down long enough where it could count as depression.
Uh… this is… MMD, it's actually cataloged as "depression", I don't know why you're making a distinction out of it.
>and one could easily assume being on the /hikki/ board they probably do have depression or some other mental illness.
False and irrelevant; a lot of people who visit this site don't have neither mental illness nor depression, yet they can post here.
Twice in a row, it can't be serious, you may think this is a silly meme but it's something we like to do, I respect you, but you don't need to do this.
YOU PIECE OF SHIT
I believe you, I love your cosplays and stuff but please be careful.
We're on an internet image board, lets not split hairs.
I was trying to give my opinion on how one could do the difference between 'depressed' and feeling down and all the possible different flavors of it. Psychology is a soft science, there are no precise measurements and as many different flavors of personalities as there are people. Along with how some people may call themselves depressed, but by the textbook are just 'feeling down' and visa versa. There is a lot of gray and one can't simply throw a label of MDD or manic/chronic/SAD/ect on it. A woman with depression can still suffer from PMDD. Someone can have atypical depression. Someone might have Complicated Grief Disorder.
For example; I have MDD, but sometimes I feel worse than normal. I consider that 'feeling down' compared to what is normal for me. What I do when I am feeling like that is different from what I do the rest of the time. I am not just going to go 'oh well, this is absolutely normal for me and I will just put it into my normal depression'
Also Assume=!Fact. So of course it could be false. Thats a huge part of assuming. I could go on a computer forum and assume that everyone there uses a computer and still be wrong, there might be dedicated smart phone users or use a video game console's browser function.
i think if you say you are depressed then you are depressed.
same thing with being gay, or anything else. if you say you are gay then you are gay.
it's too exhausting to fight over technicalities of what the requirements are to use a label or who should be allowed to apply which labels to what people or what judgments have to be made for someone to call someone else depressed, or gay, or anything else.
besides it's not productive discussion; if someone says they are something then they either believe they are or are lying/joking in some way. trying to tell someone what they believe isn't true probably will get you nowhere.
>>1213>Psychology is a soft science, there are no precise measurements and as many different flavors of personalities as there are people.
I agree, I never implied otherwise, I just used the formal definitions to illustrate the differences.
In the end, I was just wondering whether people made any difference between "being down" and "being depressed" (taking depressed as a really intense and continuous stage of feeling down) when writing their posts. And this comes because people tend to talk of depression as just "being down" in the end, when it generally refers to a state that lasts for long periods of time.
Let's put it this way, if my favorite sport team (eww) loses a game, I'm not depressed, I'm down. But if I'm constantly being under pressure, stress, harassed, and other kind of factors that alter my system to the point I don't wanna get out of my bed for many days or even years, that's a different story.
>For example; I have MDD, but sometimes I feel worse than normal. I consider that 'feeling down' compared to what is normal for me.
That's exactly why I made a difference between what I meant with "feeling down" and "being depressed" in the other post. If you have MDD then you are depressed, feeling worse or "normal" is kinda irrelevant (in this case) since by default MDD is depression. Feeling better or worse some days is just natural, we aren't tied to a certain emotional, constant value that changes only in specific stages of our lives. The question I made is whether people do these things when constantly under such state (AKA depression) or just when they feel down.
I understand what you mean, it's just that it's not related to what I said at all.
>Also Assume=!Fact. So of course it could be false. Thats a huge part of assuming. I could go on a computer forum and assume that everyone there uses a computer and still be wrong, there might be dedicated smart phone users or use a video game console's browser function.
My point is that you can't assume who's on the other side of the screen because there's nothing supporting that assumption. Many years ago saying that you wanted to have friends or you had relationships was taboo here, three years ago it was acceptable, today it's an aim of many of the users, from what I recall. Did that kind of people appear magically? Or they were there, but they just didn't post about it? Did they just used it as a meme when they were in reality normies? I can't answer or assume that because I honestly wouldn't be able to tell.
No need to get so reactionary. I don't care whether people here is "legit depressed" or not by muh DSM-V standard. I was just pondering over what is considered depression or not at the moment of posting.
for the sake of discussion and to provide somewhat of an extreme example, i think a productive response to someone calling themselves for example a genius is to validate them and what they are feeling.
they will most likely resonate better with you since they might feel more confident that you'll support their opinions and they'll trust you more.
on the other hand, if you try to tell them they aren't, they'll probably think that you won't support their opinions and they'll be less likely to support you.
i really believe in the "i validate you" of a conversation as much as possible within reason. paradoxically, it is actually possible for someone to say they don't believe in this, you validate them, then carry on conversation since they feel that you will support their opinions.
okay that sounds good.
It isn't as much a validation thing as it is a "My life sucks" dilemma. Humans tend to look for problems around every corner, and if there's none they even make them up. I'm sure in this same thread you will find people with somewhat comfy, peaceful lifestyles who will post about how down they feel because X reason. Sure, they do feel
down about it, but it's really a problem dragging them around so badly that they can barely stand it? Is it a legit problem brought by nature/a third party (or even themselves), who affects the individual in a pretty deep level, or is it just something they're exaggerating and that shouldn't really be a worry?
This is pretty subjective and there are many answers to every question, but you can get what's my point. I personally believe that most of the so-called depression in nowadays society could be easily fixed if people realized they are making problems bigger than what they really are (leaving exceptions such as hazard psychological environments and poor living conditions aside). So, while I agree that supporting someone unstable is the right thing to do, I hold the belief that "validating" them is really poisonous since you are just throwing logs into the fire with the "You are a victim therefore you SHOULD feel bad, because this is a problem" kind of logic. Just make them find their ground again and tell them were to head their feet to, don't keep shaking them on the air and telling them to panic.
Again, I don't care
whether people in this thread are legit depressed or not, that's completely irrelevant to what I asked. I'm curious if when somebody wrote "I do Y to cheer me up!", it was thought as a form to be distracted from a non-extreme circumstance
when they're simply feeling down
, or if that Y is a way to cope
with an unbearable state of despair
Anyway, it seems I made myself understood, so there's no need to write more walls of texts.
Eat. A lot. Delicious things that improve my mood instantly by consuming them. We're talking sushi, creme brulee, ice cream – the works.
I do drugs or I walk around my house aimlessly if no one is awake
Fantasize about suicide and watch Gintama.
when I'm depressed I like to bump dead threads without contributing to the discussion at all.
i try to pry the mirror off my bathroom wall, rip the pages of my journal, smoke too much, and alienate my friends
I drink and remember my ex girlfriend and I'd like to cry but I can't. Sometimes when I'm really drunk I text friends, complain, and lose those friends.
when I reach the lowest of my possible moods I go to the shower to cry so nobody can hear me. It has been some months since I did this. I have been in depressive mood for over a year now and I doubt it will ever go away again. I think I cannot distract myself anymore from the fact that I am a defective human and I can't help but feel ashamed of it. I wish I was not a basket case.
I think that alienation has made unable to make a distinction to whether I am depressed or not. If someone asks me how are you, I don't even know what to say, as if I never thought of that or know how to differentiate. The most honest answer that comes to mind is "I don't know, normal?". It's like I don't need to know because I rarely explain or tell how I'm feeling so it's pointless to even care about differentiating my current state with other states. I don't need to know how to call it, I'm living it. Does this sound weird? It's like as if I lost the capacity to judge how I'm feeling so I can't tell another one.
Anyway, there is something I can differentiate because it's somewhat an abrupt change. Sometimes I'm just normal, and then something in the enviroment, for instance a turned on tv with a movie or whatever, reminds me I'll probably never find a fitting partner for myself no matter what I do, and that I'm condemned to eternal solitude. All of this just in barely a second, like a flash. I get somewhat paralized and my facial expression changes slightly, as if I had seen something otherwordly. Then, it's like I can heard my soul screaming, screaming like someone who lost his mind, as if someone wanted to try to kill himself just by screaming. It's hard to describe, imagine someone trying to gouge out his eyes and screaming out of panic, out of terror, because the sudden realization of something that's worse than death hit him in a fraction of a second. Something like that.
Note that the weird thing is that this shouldn't happen since I have accepted this faith long ago. Shortly after this I go back to normal.
As for crying, I don't usually cry. Sometimes if I'm watching some kind of media depicting a tragedy or heroism that ends in death I do shed some tears, or rather I did. I don't watch much stuff anymore.
It seems like you have a developmental disorder. If somebody asks you how you are, you just lie. It's pretty simple>how are you>fine, thanks
See? How you actually feel doesn't matter when talking with others.
What do you mean? How is it related?>See? How you actually feel doesn't matter when talking with others.
Why would you lie in such matters? I try to avoid lying. I don't like just telling others what they want to hear, it feels like cheating, I like honesty. Canned responses are horrible and meaningless. What percentage of people lie about how they are feeling when asked according to your experiences?
You don't seem like you understand social norms or be very good at abstract thinking. >Why would you lie in such matters?
Because the conversation is completely inconsequential. It's already meaningless. There's no point in wasting energy trying to be honest. Also, you don't want people thinking that you're abnormal because that just makes your life harder. I don't know how many people are disingenuous and I don't really care. For the world to run smoothly, people need to streamline pointless formalities. When you're in public, you have to act appropriately.
If it's inconsequential and meaningless, why lie?>There's no point in wasting energy trying to be honest.
Truth comes naturally, lying would require me to make an active effort.>Also, you don't want people thinking that you're abnormal because that just makes your life harder.
I don't really care honestly, and the most I've gotten out of this is a weird look or an awkward "uh, ok". Not that I interacted with much people since long ago.
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't feel the need to "act appropiately" in public, whatever that means, because at this point I have nothing to lose, so making an active effort for nothing sounds pretty 'tarded to me. I mean, I'm not a CEO that needs to keep his PR up.
Because lying takes less time. How much effort does, "i'm fine", take? It's an automatic response. There's no thinking involved. If you don't understand the importance of coming across as a functional, well-adjusted person in public, you're beyond hope. If you benefit from society, you should adhere to its social contract. Don't act like a spaz.
Well, it doesn't come naturally to me, sorry. And in my opinion I don't think not lying to other people about how I'm feeling will be what causes the downfall of civilization.>If you benefit from society, you should adhere to its social contract.
I know you're just using buzzwords, but I'll humor you.
What constitutes benefitting from society exactly?
What are the clauses of the social contract?
It wont cause much harm to anybody but yourself. Always being honest, especially when you tend to have suicidal thoughts, restricts your ability to mesh with everybody else. Benefiting for society is exactly what it sounds like. Every single person within society benefits from it. You don't have to hunt food, you don't have to live in a cave, you have access to modern conveniences, agriculture. If you have access to bread, or domesticated live stock, you benefit from society. Society exists to make life easier. The clauses are learned, not written. You observe how others behave, and ape them. When people react negatively to how you act, learn from it. Eventually you'll just be able to feel what is and isn't socially appropriate like a sixth sense. This doesn't come naturally to psychopaths, but they find a way to do it to massive success. What's stopping you?
>>4639>Every single person within society benefits from it. You don't have to hunt food, you don't have to live in a cave, you have access to modern conveniences, agriculture. If you have access to bread, or domesticated live stock, you benefit from society.
Sounds like bullshit. A farmer growing his own food and having his own livestock is benefitting from society too? Following your logic, he would have access and own those things. Looks like for you basically everything is "society" or a product of it.
People invent thinks, out of love, because they have free time, because they need to solve a problem, whatever, then he tells other people about his invention, and some other people mass produce it to earn money. The perception of this is so different from saying "society did it! you owe everyone this!" that it makes a whole lie. If you are seriously telling me I have a pencil because of society you are lying and miscrediting the people who made the pencil possible, because society is everyone.
I don't owe society anything for having access to bread, if that bread was not stolen, someone made money off of it.
I don't owe society my access to modern conveniences, because society did not create those, inventors did, and enterpreneurs produced and monetized them.
Owing to "society" is so big of a bogus concept you might aswell say we owe it to god, to the spirits, or to nature, because all of them are on the same level of tangibleness.
Society is not a well crafted machine that gifts you things, it is a cumulation of normal human behaviors and interactions in which goods are produced, but these aren't inherent to society and society isn't inherent to these. Humans are always leeches even if they don't realize it, even you in your fetishization of society I doubt you have always given back something of equal value to what you have taken. If all that it takes for you to be at piece of mind is just having some irrelevant dead end piece of shit job good for you, but it won't ever come close to the value of the things you are taking out of your idea of society, you are exchanging 1 cent coins for dollar bills, if you don't think that's leaching you have a problem.
The people who make your idea of "society" go forward are the biggest leeches of them all, lending bogus virtual money and gathering real interest on it. Creating an evergrowing wealth on their name. But I think that this is just too much for you right now, try to process everything else.
Looks like I hit a nerve. You said that society is everyone, but then you said society did not give you anything. That's contradictory. Society is not some kind of entity and it is not tangible. It is everybody's collective effort. However, it is still a thing. It still exists and you still owe it something as long as you continue to reap the benefits of it existing. Are you a farmer? Are you self-sufficient? That analogy doesn't work because a farmer could be self-sufficient. If somebody has the means to provide for himself, good for them. I doubt you are in that position. The inventor contributed to the pencil's creation heavily, but the actual, "wage slaves", made it and allowed you to use it. The idea that, "somebody made money", is moronic. If that money wasn't made by you, you stole from somebody. Without society, life would be short, and miserable. Society exists not because it's creation is some kind of natural inevitability, it exists because people posses the ability to elevate themselves above nature through cooperation. To make life easier. Being a functioning member of society works both in your, and everybody else's interest. This extends to day-to-day interaction. Don't act like a basket case in public.
>Looks like I hit a nerve.
>You said that society is everyone, but then you said society did not give you anything.
Exactly, everyone is part of society, but I don't owe my pencil to everyone. I own the idea of the pencil to the man who invented it, and I own the physical pencil to the entrepeneur that had the idea to mass produce it and worked towards it becoming a reality. I do not own my pencil to Welfare Tyrone and his 6 children, although he is part of society. That's what's misleading about pretending you have something thanks to society. It is as valid as saying I have a pencil thanks to the big bang, or thanks to god. And if you want to shame or coerce someone with that, good luck.
>The inventor contributed to the pencil's creation heavily, but the actual, "wage slaves", made it and allowed you to use it.
The wageslaves don't have the mental and economical means that allowed me to have the pencil I have the pencil thanks to the shepherd that herd them. Would you have said that the animals allowed me to use their meat to eat? Because it's literally the same. The farmer (entrepreneur, architect, inventor) is responsible and has the credit for everything their "wage slaves" do. Because the farmer ORDERED it. The idea, the abstract of it, the directions, all are created by the inventor/entrepeneur, whatever. If you don't accept this as the truth, then we have nothing to debate about.
>The idea that, "somebody made money", is moronic.
Woah, I'm not really going to comment on this one, bravo.
>If that money wasn't made by you, you stole from somebody.
Oh, so if my father gave me money out of free will, I stole it. Is charity something inexistant in your worldview?
>Without society, life would be short, and miserable.
Good thing you cannot be without society as long as there is another single human near you given you both are not enemies. This is on the same level of retardness as saying that without air, life would be short, and miserable. You are really bent on making some kind of cathartic revelation out of something meaningless.
You really have a very warped worldview, I hope you get better.
>>4642>Exactly, everyone is part of society, but I don't owe my pencil to everyone. I own the idea of the pencil to the man who invented it, and I own the physical pencil to the entrepeneur that had the idea to mass produce it and worked towards it becoming a reality. I do not own my pencil to Welfare Tyrone and his 6 children, although he is part of society. That's what's misleading about pretending you have something thanks to society. It is as valid as saying I have a pencil thanks to the big bang, or thanks to god. And if you want to shame or coerce someone with that, good luck.
This is the worst case of stawmanning I have ever seen. Tyrone isn't relevant. If you benefit from society, you should contribute to it. Not every individual may contribute to society, but every benefit of society is the result of the people who contribute to it. You owe those people your own contribution as a means of exchange. Anybody who can work, and is not self-sufficient, should work. >order
No. Every single person who is involved in the process of making something contributed to it. Those people didn't have to do what the entrepreneur, "ordered". That is a massively stupid way of thinking of things. Also, animals are not people. You can't talk to them and they don't make their own decisions. They're lives were chosen for them.>Oh, so if my father gave me money out of free will, I stole it. Is charity something inexistant in your worldview?
Charity? So you think you need charity, huh? If your father gives you money, I feel bad for him. Even if he does it willingly out of the goodness of his heart, taking that money instead of making your own is taking advantage of him. Charity should go to people who can't help themselves. >You are really bent on making some kind of cathartic revelation out of something meaningless.
Society is not something that just exists naturally. It is not oxygen, and it is not just people being near each other. Society is human beings being capable of providing for themselves in an environment isolated from nature. Rather than hunting, you farm. That is society and it has taken thousands of years to develop to its current point. You can't help but make false analogies, huh? >You really have a very warped worldview, I hope you get better.
You're the suicidal one who struggles to answer a simple question.
You sound psychotic and are moving the goalposts so I'm not going to repeat myself.
>This is the worst case of stawmanning I have ever seen. Tyrone isn't relevant. If you benefit from society, you should contribute to it.
Tyrone = society?
Contributing to society = contributing to Tyrone?
I owe this to society = I owe this to tyrone?
See the problem with that?
Or could it be that you decide who is and who isn't part of society and as so he should or shouldn't get "paid" back by contributing? This whole thing is lunatic.
Tyrone is part of society, if you want to be SPECIFIC, use SPECIFIC TERMS and stop saying SOCIETY. Because EVERYONE is SOCIETY.>This is the worst case of stawmanning I have ever seen. Tyrone isn't relevant. If you benefit from society, you should contribute to it.
Which means shit, since it is not on the same level and VALUE. Giving out pennies and receiving dollar bills, what a joke. Thinking you are an upstanding member of society with your mcjob in the same level of a inventor whose deviced had a profound impact on people or saved millions of lives is literally INSANE and PSYCHOTIC. No, sorry but no, these examples are not even close, and saying that both "contribute to society" means shit.>Society is not something that just exists naturally.
It is exactly that, it happened naturally and only possible because of human biology and evolution. Do you know what natural selection means? Newsflash groups of people hunting and waging wars are stronger than individuals doing so, therefore people prone to being "social" reproduced more.>You're the suicidal one who struggles to answer a simple question.
What question and how am I suicidal? Are you OK mate?
Society is not literally everybody. Society is made of everybody's collective effort. Society itself is a state of existing in which human beings do not have to be hunters and gatherers. Being a parasite puts a strain on peoples ability to maintain this state. Either you put a strain on every tax payer, or you put a strain on somebody who does pull their own weight. I never said that everybody contributes equally. This is more strawmanning. You're just using mental gymnastics to justify being dead weight.
Somebody with a mcjob is at least capable of not harming society. They pay their dues for benefiting. I haven't moved any goal posts. Act normal in public, pay for your own stuff. Also, somebody who produces things people actually need is important. Another false analogy. >What question and how am I suicidal? Are you OK mate?
Read your first post again.>If someone asks me how are you, I don't even know what to say>Then, it's like I can heard my soul screaming, screaming like someone who lost his mind, as if someone wanted to try to kill himself just by screaming. It's hard to describe, imagine someone trying to gouge out his eyes and screaming out of panic, out of terror, because the sudden realization of something that's worse than death hit him in a fraction of a second. Something like that.
Not him, but there's literally nothing wrong with being a sponge as long as you can get away with it.
OG NEET lyfe motherfucker
Part of the fault lies on the government and other enablers.
Nightwalks are maximum comfy desu
if we could actually get back on topic that'd be great
Try lying in bed staring at the ceiling for hours because you can't move your limbs
Enjoy feeling waves of nausea/horror/anguish wash over you
Whimper and moan quietly while you do so
Close your eyes and hope that you will be dead soon
While you try to go to sleep, think about all the ways that things can get worse than they already are
i lie to myself and tell myself that my sadness doesnt exist, its just a reflection of the environment around me and nothing exists
Lay in bed and stare at the wall until I grow tired of that or feel hungry. Then stare and scroll through whatever bullshit I can find online until I feel like laying in bed and staring at wall. Repeat until I'm too tired, fall asleep, then start again in the morning.
When I'm feeling depressed, I'm usually wandering on the net. It allows me to abstract from everything.
By the way, I've found that the whole site was blocked because of the one picture (https://reestr.rublacklist.net/record/1786178/
), so making me able to enter this site only by using proxy/VPN. Снова закручивают гайки :(
but all of those things are fucking awesome anon, those are the things that make life worth living, the things that make it so great to be a NEET
i sit and stare at my steam library looking for a game to distract myself with until im tired enough to go to bed
then i sit and play on my phone for a few hours instead of trying to sleep
I met my girlfriend around 3 months ago, and I had the best time of my life by far with her. I never expected I could love someone as much as I love her, it's crazy when I think about it, it's like I found a completely hidden part of 'life'.
Recently things are quite hard for us, she's facing a ton of life-changing problems/situations, and even trying my best to support her, it feels like I either make no impact at all or make things worse and just become another burden for her. This feeling is truly crushing, she says she always tells me what she needs, and when I do it, it's like I either did it wrong, or completely missed the point and did the opposite. I'm as inexperienced as they come, and this is my first relationship, but I'm completely torn if I'm just some absolutely smooth-brained retard or people become a million times more complicated to deal with when they are facing some serious problems. It really breaks me.
It gets me seriously depressed when I feel like I screwed up something or when I didn't do the right thing at the time, even when trying my absolute hardest and already having something similar happening in the past wich I could learn from, but having my choice still being the worst possible.
Second time ever and first time in over 5 years I've seriously considered suicide, I can't sleep more than 4 hours at night no matter what method I try, and university stuff just makes things harder.
Given most of this negativity is related to our relationship, I try to talk things out with her as much as possible so I can stop screwing up and help her, wich makes me feel great when I manage.
When talking is not an option, I just feel like doing absolutely nothing. I lay on bed looking at the ceiling, try to sleep, turn on the pc and then off after 15 minutes or so because I can't force myself to do anything at all, can't play, can't watch anime, can't read manga, can't study or do projects, can't eat…
When the depression is lower like now, I can do more of this stuff, so now I'm venting on ubuu while listening to Starset, waiting the time to pass so I can go to class and just accept the day as over.