No.7392
.flow is an ok game but the music makes me wanna shit my pants and answered prayers is the SHIT yo
No.7393
FLUX had potential, cunts
No.7394
>>7393 It HAS potential. FLUX was not cancelled.
Also someone please explain why Witoru and Phoenix Dream are so popular, I don't get it…
No.7395
>>7394Really? I thought Rindre cancelled it because of
>the threadI don't understand that either, some games are popular just because they are japanese, others who knows…
No.7396
merula was very interesting, but the autist author suspended it
No.7399
>>7394>Also someone please explain why Witoru and Phoenix Dream are so popular, I don't get it…Witoru and Phoenix Dream are parody kind of Yume Nikki Fangames, but they actually have plot and aren't that bad (They aren't flat-out parody like Dickme Dicki but they poke fun at the common tropes in YNFGS? Also kinda just a big mish-mash of stuff I guess)
…also partly because Witoru was part of the "First batch" of YNFGS out there I think,… Yon Goh being the first male dreamer, and Witoru being the first game with actual dialogue, plot, puzzles, even a part with an actual rpg ect. (the music isn't too bad either imo)
Its not nearly as popular on the western side, probably because of the language barrier, but yeah (this isn't the best comparison but it was kinda the Eastern TLG i guess… but more of a parody?? heck I'm not even sure myself…)
Phoenix Dream isn't as popular but it could being going off how its almost a Witoru spin off due to how close the MCs look and the gameplay ect?
and yeah unpopular opinions:
I guess I really don't understand how .flow, Yume Nisshi, Fleshchild + The Looking Glass are so popular? Or why people say .flow is so scary or w/e… idk. I don't personally see the appeal in those bigger fangame titles but yeah…. (Nisshi had some interesting motifs(?) and effects but that was canceled so…)
Also I think If had potential, some areas were pretty neat like the UFO rides and the whole "magic portal behind your bookcase" thing.
…heck there are quite a few games that I'd like to see more of/have potential but they seem unlikely to update anytime soon or at all… (Answered Prayers,Yume Graffiti Ultra Violet ect.)
No.7401
>>7400!!! idk if your being serious or not but hahahhaha ooh man…
I don't know if anyone remembers this but I did try to make one about a year(?) ago but it was really shitty and embarrassing.. (the thread itself is pretty painful to look at jfc)…
…anyway back on topic:
people go on about "original graphics!1!" and dissin on mado recolors…and while its nice and all to have a unique sprite if you can pull it off… I really don't mind mado recolors as long as they are done well, and now I find that having a protag with a unique and interesting design without being too much or too little is more interesting that a "unique sprite" in some cases…
I guess another "unpopular opinion" is that I think Debris is a pretty dang good fangame, and I personally think it should be up there with the bigger titles like nisshi and lcddem at least… but it seems to be kinda obscure on the western side… I'm probably biased though haha… (It does have some major flaws like the starting worlds being way too big than they really need to be which is a big turn off for new players I think… but after a while you kinda get used to the navigation, and it gets pretty easy to go where you want…but it really shouldn't be like that in the first place. Also the mix of meh and good music, most places it can be just kind of there, only a few tracks were really "memorable" imo like the underwater one i guess…)
One more thing about fangames is that I don't mind if a game sticks pretty solid to the "formula", as long as it has plenty of interesting events, graphics, and at least a decent soundtrack. (Ex. Debris, Answered Prayers, Yume Graffiti, Ultra Violet)
im not even sure if these are "unpopular opinions" haha whoops
No.7402
>>7401I was serious, I didn't know, it would be interesting to see :V
No.7403
>>7401.flow had a mado recolor
Never played Debris, I think I'll try it later
No.7404
>>7399Ohh now I see…
Also yeah, I don't think .flow is that scary either. The scary thing about .flow is the context. However you expect it to be creepy all the time due to all the blood, rust, the coldness in most areas… the cute, light or cheery areas are relatively few and most of these have a darker version that makes them lose their initial cuteness.
No.7405
>>7404aaaa/// you are very kind haha maybe someday I'll release some sort of game (probs would be exactly what i and most people dislike in fangames tho haha…)
>>7403yes. i think i am pretty sure .flow had a mado recolor. -but I mean more like new devs/people making ynfgs everyone seems to be going about making original graphics now, which can be nice, but eh… I don't know…theres something charming about the Mado-like sprites (most of the time) and yeah I think the actual character design can be more interesting in some cases (ex I find Yomika, Tatsuki, Lefia, and Sometsuki's designs to be pretty well-thought out imo? idk mang having a memorable character design is not an easy task…
>DebrisAnd about Debris,if you can wait, I actually finished translating it, I plan on releasing the English translated version of Debris tomorrow actually (Its probably not the most accurate translation, but its mostly for navigating the menus and such anyway) There's just a few tweaks and tests I want to make before releasing it so if ya want, you might want to wait a bit before playing it. (Saves SHOULD transfer but… yeah)
>>7402Yeah the whole "rust disease" thing I guess??? but yeah I don't really like it when people suggest .flow with something like "OMFG THIS GAME IS SO SCARY!11! D:"…because yeah… like you said hhh…. its def considered the "darker/darkest" fangame too… that a lot of fangames tend to try and replicate I guess? Heck idk….
No.7406
>>7405ah, yeah I'll wait for the translated version of Debris better, thanks Toro
No.7410
>>7409maybe, but the author is a fucking idiot
No.7411
>>7410I really can't argue with that.
No.7418
>>7409Nisshi is a mediocre game with nothing to really do, and it's only cold because of the locations that feel sterile and hollow.
No.7419
>>7394hi
it's not cancelled
wait a bit yo it's coming
bye
No.7420
>>7418That's because you're too impatient. If you can't handle the game at its worst, you don't deserve it at its best.
>>7419What do you mean?
No.7421
>>7420She's talking about the shitstorm, it's coming
No.7423
>>7420I don't have the patience to play through the most bad parts to get to the least bad ones. Are there any? I don't think so, having searched every fucking empty nook and cranny of that barren mediocre game of an arrogant Japanese faggot who won't even let people download it. It's so bad, it's bad even on meta level. Damn.
Best fangame was Kudaranu Mousou No, or whatever it was really called. Too bad it got called back.
No.7424
>>7423I don't think it was that bad it's actually better than the standard fangame, however, I think it's more overrated than justin bieber because is japanese and 2deep4u.
No.7426
>>7419Rindre pls more info
No.7432
>>7431That's actually pretty lame. Come back when you have taste.
No.7489
.flow is too dark, to the point where all areas feel the same. At least Yume Nikki and 2kki had some variation.
No.7508
I think .flow is just a really poorly made fangame.
>music
The music is kinda shit with the exception of Prepare, Ashen, Rusty Pier, and Sewers, which I like very much.
>worlds
The main 4 dream worlds really suck. They're too big, they're too empty, and they lack a unique design or a coherent theme. A lot of little preteen fucks would say "OH BUT THEY'RE EMPTY BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT SABI'S LONELINESS xD" I didn't get that from them. They just look really fucking lazily made. By "lazy" I don't really mean that the maker didn't put time into them, but that they didn't put any creativity into them. And the music/neon world is just awful.
>misc locations
Kind of the same problem as above. They aren't really appealing at all, with the exception of the Rusty Pier, Sewers, and the Prison. The underwater world just looks ugly as hell compared to LcdDem's or Yume 2kki's underwater world, both of which are gorgeous. It seems like the creator picked random colors off a color palette and made all the worlds as ugly as possible, including the Isometric Path and the red-and-blue heart path. Yeah yeah I know it's supposed to be desolate and unpleasant, but there's beauty to be found in desolate and unpleasant places – I just mean that they look really badly made.
>backdrops/panoramic backgrounds
That one flight scene where Sabitsuki is flying against that neon-rainbow background, WOW that one looks soooo shitty. It wasn't even a fucking parallax background - you could see where the picture clipped.
>trying too fucking hard
It just looks like it tries too fucking hard to fit in with the cyber-goth 14 year old weeaboo tards (which this site is overflowing with.) I'm sure many of us are sick of seeing the xD xD SOOOOOOOOO DEEP AND EDGY OMG ITS ALMOST AS SCARY AS ELFEN LIED xD xd 0.0 0.o o_o T_T people on here, and those are the people to whom this game seems to appeal to the most, mainly because they think they are sooooo cool and mature for liking a game that has "gore" in it. Even though that gore was created in MS Paint. I say this because it's a "cyber world" and it's overflowing with blood in every crevice and corner, which is something that really only appeals to those who think are mature and "hardened" for seeing babby's first gore in a RPGMaker game.
>too much blood/body imagery
It's like it's stuffed into every corner. It's annoying, it's not frightening, and it's just as I said before: trying tooooooooo hard. When you come across bloody or death scenes in YN or other games, they're rather rare, and thus surprising and cause you to think more about them (such as, who's Shitai-san and how did he die? Why is the blond hair effect found right next to a blood puddle?) but .flow's body parts are seriously all fucking over the place and it's kind of like a cheap shitty horror movie, like Dead Alive.
No.7509
The Looking Glass is kind of bad. I'd walk into doors from the Nexus, look at the location, and go back into the Nexus because they all looked so awfully boring. Also, the music was really bad. Whoever made it, I remember reading that she didn't actually make the music but had some guy compose it for her, and hoooo boy you made a mistake getting that guy to make the music for you, because let's face it, that music was so boring and awful.
If you're going to make a fangame, please put your all into it. Don't fucking half-ass. If your music or art can't hold a candle to Yume 2kki or LcdDem (the king of all fangames when it comes to music) just don't bother.
No.7510
>>7508>hurr durr all games with dark atmosphere are le dark and le edgy am i 4chan yet guise olololo le trollFuck off.
No.7511
>>7509
>If your music or art can't hold a candle to Yume 2kki or LcdDem (the king of all fangames when it comes to music) just don't bother.>If your music or art can't hold a candle to Yume 2kki or LcdDem >to Yume 2kki or LcdDemDude…, first off, 2kki is a cooperative game, which means it is not one person who does ALL the work. For LcDDem, I agree. Good music, one person.
But that of 'If your fangame doesn't fits like THE BEST ONES WE KNOW then fuckk off and don't try'….
Seriously? Then fuck off everything but 2kki and LcD… fuck off this board, fuck off this chan…
No.7512
>>7510>le dark>le edgy
>still using buzzwordsGood.
>fuck offCompelling argument.
No.7514
>>7510Are you fucking retarded? That's exactly what all the .flow dick-sucking faggots think. That it's edgy as shit because it has a dark atmosphere. Good job supporting my argument, preteen.
No.7515
Guys guys ubuu is about love
No.7516
>>7513I guess you also have to be a master chef to be able to say someone's food made you gag and throw up, yes?
>>7511>stop not liking what I like!Do you know why nothing has been able to compare to Yume 2kki and LcdDem and perhaps a few others I haven't played yet, yet? Because people don't put their all into it.
This is an unpopular fangames opinions thread. That's what I posted. An unpopular opinion. The popular opinion on this board seems to be "it's ok to make fangames with poor-quality music rendered on my pirated copy of ProTools with absolutely 0 knowledge of music composition and music theory because my lil 13 year old weebz will support me on the interwebz! xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"
What good's a job if you don't put your all into it?
No.7517
>>7516Chill your ass already
No.7519
>>7516Although sometimes people put their all into it and it's still not good. It also has to do with skill, I think..and planning.
No.7520
>>7518Are you having a bad day or something?
No.7521
>>7519You're absolutely right, but I don't think there's an excuse for composing an OST made entirely of songs marked with dissonant piano key strikes (and not much else), Mario Paint-tier 8-bit type loops, and just overall shit music.
Yeah, everyone has different tastes, but it doesn't take a Berklee composition major to hear that a lazy song is a lazy song.
If you can't compose for fucking crap, if you can't make a song for your life, ask someone skillful to help you, make something atmospheric and/or ambient sounding (a simple ambient song that is pleasant sounding is not beyond even the biggest simpleton) or just for fuck's sake use existing songs. Unless I'm mistaken, Owl, who made Miserere, got his OST off of a site of unlicensed music, or music that lost its license (something like that.) And you know what – it sounds great.
No.7522
>>7521Maybe, but the character looks like a dildo with limbs
No.7523
>>7522I've heard that from you in a different thread, and it wasn't really funny the first time, but if he looks like a dildo with limbs then what does Madotsuki and all her recolors look like to you?
No.7525
>>7522Have you ever seen a dildo or a penis in real life, then? Oh, I guess not.
No.7527
>>7508I agree that it is pretty overrated.
Also most of the characters doesn't seem very much marking or very interesting-looking.
No.7549
>>7509TLG was their first attempt at making a fangame I can find on ubuu (at least they first showed up on ubuu with it) so being so harsh might not be warranted. I agree that a lot of things in there are poor in every category, but I think that's to be expected. Tons of fangames began as shoddy messes like that too, but if we have people like you going around saying new games shouldn't be made unless the creators are both artistic and musical geniuses, then we wouldn't have any fangames at all.
These people are making and handing out their games for free, too, so I don't get why some people on ubuu get so anal about them.
No.7559
>>7508i lose sleep over .flow
just because you're too "Hardened." to be scared anymore doesn't mean no one is.
No.7565
>>7563>>7560tfw schizoaffective disorder and hear the kaibutsu giggle when you think about .flow for a while and can't stop looking over your shoulder when you see a reflection from your monitor until you turn around and swear you see something horrific (usually gore related, nothing obscure) before your vision fades and you wake up on your floor with a bloody nose screaming wondering where you are until you remember and you cry alone in your room like you usually do because your friends find it too tiresome to be friends with you and your family has their own lives to deal with.
but that's kind of different than the average .flow player so I can see why you two are confused.
No.7566
>>7565sorry for posting without explaining my condition, i thought it would be obvious
No.7582
>>7559Jesus Christ what the fuck is wrong with you?
This board should be restricted to 18+ just like many other boards. Not like that would stop you little babbies from coming here anyway.
I guess you also shit your pants at hard 'n' edgy anime like Death Note too right?
No.7583
>>7582Actually…
> 1. You must be 18 years of age or older to view this site. No.7584
>>7581I get it. I felt the same way at first.
LcdDem really was lovely, absolutely, but when I first played it I felt that many of the areas were "half-assed" or weren't very.. hm.. how should I say.. they weren't very dream-like and they didn't have a unifying theme.
I thought so many places in YN and Y2 had said unifying themes, such as
>Teleport Maze>The Docks>Lake in the Dense Woods>Number World>Highway>Monochrome Feudal Japan>Farm World>Laboratory>Atlantis>1,000,000 of the other fucking beautiful YN worldshowever, in LcdDem, so many of the areas were a little lacking, like that world with the pink boxes or whatever, that purple world with the sponge shit, etc.
However. HOWEVER. The music in LcdDem fucking blew my mind (Sewers, Sewers Room, Hexagon World, Helmet Effect World, Mining Complex, Sandy Swamp World, Rainbow Tiles World) and some of the worlds were BEAUTIFUL and I felt that they were the ones missing from YN, such as the Rice Field, the Stained Glass World, Garden World, and many others.
No.7585
>>7583Should've checked the rules before posting, I knew it. However, there's an age thread floating around somewhere here and most of everyone there were little babbies, one girl said she was 12.
Also, the excessive use of le maymays and xDDDDDD and "this game mindfucked me omg can't sleep xD" here is yet more proof that this place is bloated with Hot Topic-frequenting preteens.
No.7586
>>7584I agree with that about the music and the worlds; but playing it through was like a 'heavy reading', if you understand the concept. I felt it was somehow vague and lonely; cute, with a huge ton of effort that can be seen really easily. But somehow made me feel there was something that was missing.
Beware, I appreciate the game; but, I don't know. Something was missing, making my game experience a bit…flawed.
No.7588
>>7582Did you miss
>>7565?
lrn2read, friend
No.7593
>>7590That screenshot looks very sexy <3 Where is it from?
Also you'll need Applocale for Chinese fangames, but it's still in Chinese… I wish Shirleycrow would translate them to English…
No.7601
>>7594It doesn't look like it's from 2k3, but maybe I should check it out…
No.7602
>>7601It is not.
It is on the RPG Maker XP.
No.7657
>>7597So that's why people seem to have held a grudge on Yume Nisshi for all this time…
No.7658
>>7657yes the author is a faggod
No.7690
>>7431Zenmaigahara's map designs are absolute shit, in both Yume Nisshi and Yume 2kki.
No.7693
>>7658That's a shame.
I was rather fond of Yume Nisshi…
No.7714
I find fan games in general to be redundant. Don't get me wrong, i loved my first playthrough of yume nikki. It's just that aimlessly wandering around is only fun for so long.
No.7715
>>7508i agreed with you until the last two points, then you suddenly went full retard, you are criticizing a game that is intended to be dark and visceral for being so, you are completely missing the point of the game, and i don't mean it in a "2deep4u" way, its like if you were criticizing a children's cartoon for "trying too hard" to be cute
No.7730
In retrospect, .flow isn't actually very good. It's not even scary, really.
No.8620
.flow was okay, but I liked "Me" much more as a dark and edgy fangame. :P
No.8621
>>8620Isn't 'Me' just a shitty rip-off with actually plagiarized material? .flow is so much more well-made it's ridiculous.
No.8623
>>7715The only good point in that mess of a post was the one about the rainbow maze backgrounds. Everything else was this /v/-reject spouting their opinions as fact.
No.8624
While I don't agree with any of the dumb whining about .flow in this thread, I do feel it isn't better than Yume Nikki and I hate when people say hat. In fact, .flow would actually be a looooooooooot better if it wasn't a fangame at all, but had a more concrete, obvious storyline. The format is holding it back.
Another opinion I hold is that I really hate when fangames copy locations from YN. I know that .flow does this a lot. I was especially bothered when I saw that Dream Graffiti had a White Desert, region for no good reason at all, particularity since much of that fangame is original and unique. Of course, there's nothing wrong with homage, you just need to find a good balance. There were way too many 'homages' in .flow (I rolled my eyes at the teleport maze copy)
No.8625
>>8621Not anymore.
Also I feel a bit dissapointed whenever someone doesn't do well enough on a fangame. Like, when they actually just think that it is a fangame, and it doesn't really matter. Though it is closer to spin-off/different game in a genre than an actual fangame.
No.8626
>>8625Well, I suppose I could give 'Me' another chance then.
No.8627
>>8626I don't really know about the remake, since I only played the old version… But I really loved Me.
It did a better job than .flow in being creepy and dark, and some locations and effects were really memorable. People will go on about the shitty audio quality and the not-so-stellar art, but I really enjoyed playing it. And I guess the remake fixed this.
Damn, I'm trying to decide if it's worth downloading even though it's almost the same!
No.8628
>>8627I looked up some screenshots of Me and by god it's fucking hideous.
No.8629
>>8628Yeah, can't disagree. If you want graphics like .flow or 2kki, you'll regret even downloading it.
Still, the remake seems a lot better. Pic related.
No.8630
>>8629Look I don't want to be mean to M-256, but man graphics are pretty much the whole point of these games. She really needs to learn some color theory and use more muted colors and shading in her work, everything clashes so horribly and looks like some pastel-goth crap from tumblr.
If you need an example of pastel colors that look good, try Gingiva.
No.8631
>>7396That would be me, I guess.
If it's any consolation I started on Miserere instead, which I finished.
No.8637
>>8630Music is more important IMO. It creates atmosphere.
No.8649
so then is liking .flow an unpopular opinion yet then because i honestly love the game itself.
it's just that there's a "fandom" now. and they suck eggs and tend to ruin things for everyone as fandoms do. however, re
>>7508 (and their posts following) i DO have yet to see any of them start spouting off scene-slang-circa-2007. so at least they have that under control.
No.8650
I thought Gnosis was alright.
No.8651
>>8650What do you say? Gnosis is pretty cool, and the guy's art is nice. Moreover, he's not an attention whore whining for attention and posting his game around all the web while sucking another devs cock for reviews or posting here on uboachan, contrary to most of people.
No.8652
>>8651So, it IS an enjoyed game?
Well, I guess I should just quit Ubuu then for such a marginal error.
No.8653
>>8652I don't even know why you considered it as if ubuu hated that game, because here no one even talks about it. I personally like it, and there will be different opinions, but seriously, I can't see why you came up to that conclusion.
No.8663
I knew Gnosis because I have the guy as a friend on deviantart, and I gave y support, and told him that it's pretty well done.
No.15746
>>7387I like big pointless mazes in fangames
No.15856
i wonder how
>>7565 is doing. i've been through that kind of shit as well
.flow helped me feel a little more normal while i was going through the worst of it, so even it it's kinda shit it holds a special place for me..