/fg/ - Fangames

>>17343
And also because they (namely Yugamineena, who is still active to this day) were afraid the Yume 2kki team would ban Western fans from ever contributing again in the future (God, I fucking wish)

>>17344
>>17345
I was curious about this myself and lurked around the 5ch production thread a while back, IIRC the most I saw was a generic-ass "Mr. Rio and Mr. Lemniscate will no longer be updating their maps" without any explanation, which sounds about right. Absolutely fucking rotten people.

>>17346
>Eastern devs say that Rio and lemniscate will no longer update their maps
>no further explanation
They most likely were like this because they figured it was their problem not theirs and figured the only solution was to just say that they were banned from working on 2kki and that’s it
However at the same time I also wonder why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision ngl

>>17344
>>17346
I see the japanese making fannart of his NPCs sometimes and I think an NPC in one of his worlds eventually became a wearable mask now so either they don't know the full story or they don't care.
>>17347
>However at the same time I also wonder why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision ngl
I mean you kind of answered that one yourself, no matter how many temper tantrums wataru has had people still cream themselves over his worlds despite how much he has gone out of his way to fuck the game over.
I personally find the switch up on Rio's shitty-dollar-store-wataru worlds from the western side absolutely hysterical considering the same people that now scoff at them dick rode them to hell and back just before that.

>>17348
Ooooh, but you see, he was a PEDOPHILE! A PEDOPHILE!

>>17349
You mean an insecure, furry, flavour of mexican was a pedophile?
Who would have seen that one coming, anon.

>>17350
Me lol

I do have to wonder how Wataru would feel if he knew that his worlds' absence directly led to a pedo furfag making knockoffs to fill in the void, later using his popularity to prey on a minor by letting him directly contribute.

>>17352
About the same as noil felt when she cried on twitter about opening the gates for the west I bet.

>>17336
>HAL in the Hall of Fame
Please explain

>>17348
>I personally find the switch up on Rio's shitty-dollar-store-wataru worlds from the western side absolutely hysterical considering the same people that now scoff at them dick rode them to hell and back just before that.
Well, before wataru came back a lot of users didn’t have a point of comparison or reference for Rio’s work, so that certainly explains some of it. When comparing the knock-off maps to the originals, there’s a pretty clear difference in quality. Wataru’s maps have the same kind of post-industrial and stagnant water aesthetics as Rio, but wataru’s actual level design is significantly better. His work was very good at creating the illusion of scale while (with a couple of exceptions like Cosmic world; they can’t all be winners) being mostly pretty straightforward to navigate and content being distributed appropriately (large maps have a lot of stuff on them spread out, small maps don’t have a lot of negative space, that sort of thing).

Rio straight up did not understand how to execute this effect so he actually went and created the illusory space and it makes all his maps overly large and cumbersome to navigate with nothing to see and a lack of a real sense of progression through a location (compare how the Abandoned Town and the Apartments have distinct zones whereas Rio’s maps are mostly homogenous).

Additionally, seeing that most of Rio’s work was extremely derivative probably also dampened the enthusiasm, even if people don’t know about the grooming shit. It’s like watching a “safe” sequel late in a franchise and then watching the original and discovering like 95% of everything that’s cool about it is just copied from the older work. It just feels empty.

Also, Abandoned Hospital is like a bottom 3 map in not just 2kki but like any fangame I’ve played. It genuinely floors me that 2kki still refuses to implement any kind of oversight to prevent people from creating stuff that mechanically awful.

>>17347
>why the fuck they didn’t nuke their worlds from the game did they just figure that people would separate the art from the artist or something if so that’s kind of a stupid and lazy decision ngl
Knowing how Rio named Wintry Clifs and Tomb of Velleities after the victim's suggestions, possibly to score some points with them and advance the grooming process, it's kinda hard to separate the art from this whole thing

>>17357
Absolutely, this is why that mindset infuriates me. I know this happened years ago and this might be beating a dead horse at this point; but god damn, the impact he had on the game was DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for this grooming shit. When you travel through Rio's worlds in 2kki you are viewing content that was used to establish a pedophile into a position of power. Rio was intentionally using his popularity from his involvement in Yume 2kki to make his victim feel special and lure him in deeper. I don't know how this is so difficult for people to understand. "Separate the art from the artist" my ass, shit's fucked.

The lesson to be learned from this all is: People putting their shitty mspaint worlds in 2kki matters more than the victims of pedophiles.

>>17361
That sounds about right lol

>>17357
>>17360
not sure if thats what it really means to separate art from artist but sure ubuu

>>17357
>>17360
Worse, the worlds were left in because of the victim's wishes.
To all potential groomers, this means if you groom hard enough, your legacy will live on forever thanks to the power of stockholm syndrome!

can we just ban all mention of this dogshit game

nobody likes it
nobody likes the characters
nobody likes the developers

just fukken nuke it lmao, our argentittian friend has done more for less

>>17366
>>17364
>>17361
>>17360


more like groome 2kki

>>17367
As much as I don't like it this is a YNFG, I bet there are YNFGs being produced now that people could talk about but hating on a trashfire is more entertaining, and you know what? Fair enough, if doing this is what the community enjoys let them have fun.

>>17369
>I bet there are YNFGs being produced now that people could talk about
If only you knew how bad things really are.

>>17370
I mean, the fangames wiki shows that there’s been plenty of new releases even in recent years.
Though, I guess most of them are rubbish from the dream diarrhea jam.

>>17372
i rated braingirl, even though it's as dead as a dingbat and only has a few worlds

its artistically pleasing and it sticks to a lot of the same cool mesoamerican motifs yume nikki did, you might honestly like it even if it is kind of still dotted with the pitfalls of a modern fangame

>>17373
>dotted with the pitfalls of a modern fangame
What are those?

>>17374
evil chungus foreshadowing that doesnt pay off at all; once again just a result of it falling into the pit of unreleased fagnames

try it for yourself, here's the link
https://www.mediafire.com/file/58tdhg671pltcmf/BRAINGIRL_Test_Build_2.zip/file

>>17375
The chasers have pink eyes, don’t they?

>>17376
i dont actually remember lmao

>>17376
Except for the fishes, yeah.

I have not played 2kki in a bit, but I want to know, is the new remake of Foliage Estate ass, or is it good?

>>17372
So far this year the most recent shit I've seen worth giving a crap about was a literal bugfix patch for MoonLess*L

>>17379
It’s not worth it

>>17379
It's easier to navigate, at least.

>>17373
>Braingirl
the worlds in that one are pretty well designed on top of looking good too despite being a bite-sized fangame, only caveat I have is the protag having a somewhat unremarkable design

>>17373
By the way, there was going to be an update of that game, now I don't know what happened…

>>17384
yuh, i was talking to the dev on *cough* discord, and they seemed to have a pretty clear vision for the future. wonder what happened? the game was pretty sick though. it did a lot of stuff with mesoamerican imagery, which, despite being one of the coolest parts of yume nikki, isn't really iterated upon in fangames.

>>17385
>yuh, i was talking to the dev on *cough* discord, and they seemed to have a pretty clear vision for the future. wonder what happened?
Disillusionment, burn out, or just moving on to other things, could be anything.
Most fangames are spur of the moment passion projects that almost never make it to end phase because of how time and resource consuming they turn out to be depending on both your skill set and the standard you set out for them, resulting in either 5-year-at-best tier infrequent updates or straight up abandonment.
Part of the reason people still bother with 2kki despite how negative discussion of new versions has gotten is because it at least updates frequently and gives something for people to chew on(and well the online makes it extremely accesible and easy to pick up)
>it did a lot of stuff with mesoamerican imagery, which, despite being one of the coolest parts of yume nikki, isn't really iterated upon in fangames.
I've seen a lot of fangames that tried to recreate it with various degrees of success/failure, the ones that failed normally just copied the original game without knowing why they were there and how they applied to Madotsuki's dream world specially, Yume Gatari is the most egregious example that comes to mind of this.

>>17385
Interesting. Anyway, what I mean, they announced a release date on YNO, but was strange to not see anything since that

I unironically enjoy most of modern 2kki except aediorugap, his maps are the equivalent of Yume Nikki fast food.

>>17392
Much people agree that they improved. The weird conditions for completing things still, but at least art is not such bad, in most examples.

Have you people ever made “custom versions” of 2kki that discard any unwanted worlds and link up dead ends?

>>17434
I know people modded Wataru's worlds back into the game when he had his 2 year long melty but that's it. No better mod than playing older versions or actively avoiding whatever worlds you dislike in newer version

>>16968
>>16959
If u genuinely think .shit is better than yume nikki let alone 2kki u might have to reconsider ur dogshit taste in games

>>17440
Homie dats two different people!

>>17441
Good gravy, what on earth happened to Peterson?

>>17457
the pinkening

stay safe anon

I gotta say I quite like how expansive and random 2kki is. Granted some worlds do just suck but i find don't often feel that way. I mean YN had tons of worlds with just images scrolling on a blank floor and a few items around. I do prefer the more complex worlds with more doors and rooms/areas but its not always better. But to me 2kki feels the most like an actual dream. The art is all over the place and so is the vibes of the worlds. I don't think any new editions will ever change it as my favorite game. At the end of the day I see most versions as their on game to explore. Its kind of just a bonus of having multiple versions of the same game. That's how i've always seen it at least.

Maybe I've just not played it continuously enough/seen many of the worlds yall speak of as slop. >>17274 this one looks pretty fucking bad though lmao

>>17460
esl youtube zoomer, smh my head

>>17461
holy buzzwords, batman

>>17462
what world is this?

>>17464
nevermind i found it

>>17460
For all the shit it gets both literally and figuratively it is still the biggest fangame out there in terms of content and variety because of it's nature as a collabarative project and it's longevity.
I'd go as far as saying that it's dethroned .flow at this point popularity wise even if it's just because of the online.
The amount of fannart it gets these days speaks for itself I suppose.