/yndd/ - Yume Nikki - Dream Diary

>>2443
>If the answer is no, than you are pathetic, people.
The answer is yes, and they didn't say shit. You are a retard if you actually thought that'd work.
/end of thread

>Why Yume Nikki?
Because it's an untapped market, kikiyama being alive and doing stuff is massive 'news' for the gaming community, and the fandom is that big (especially since all "that big" means is big enough to justify making a cheap unity game).

>Is there a 100% guarantee that YN fandom will love this game and buy it? No, in fact it is opposite.
The game clearly didn't need to be loved to get people to buy it. Just a franchise and a story to its creation (not hard to concoct since nothing is really known about kikiyama or yume nikkis creation).

>What if they've really found the way to contact Kikiyama?
What if anything? What if christianity is all true? Should I devote my life to a character who I have no reason to believe exists on the off chance that Jesus was right (but not Muhammad or Rishabhanatha)? The point is it's unlikely and unproven.

Since you clearly have a strong viewpoint on this, why don't you get proof yourself? Why is it less "pathetic" when you do it?

>>2444
Sorry, already wrote this post. Now it's truly the end, everyone just ignore this.

fraudulent

>>2445
>cheap unity game
I wouldn't be so sure about that considering that fact that they could've even done visual novel promoting it as "based on TRUE EXPLANATION OF YN'S PLOT by Kikiyama" and it would've take less effort. And, by your logic, it would've sold just as good (because KIKIYAMA BIG NEWS FOR GAMING COMUNITY!!!11 REEE). But they did a full scale indie game. Any game is hard to develop, anon, especially with such complicated gameplay as here. Even if you don't like it, you have to admit that they could've done just platformer or just 3D adventure game etc and it would've be more easy to develop. They did a lot of work on designing new locations, 3D modelling etc. Once again, you may not like graphics in the game, but here's the fact: they've paid 3D modelers, animators, designers and, you know, it costs money. So I wouldn't be so sure about calling this game "cheap unity game".
I'm sure they could've just done walking simulator and save a lot of money. Yes, they could've just rip off original game but convert it to 3D (and everyone would be more accepting btw). But they did this instead for some reason. They've designed new locations etc. And it takes more effort than just copying original game. Why would they do it?

Besides, if they care only about money why they still keep fixing it and and even released new update? Free new update, not DLC or some shit like this. Why?

>gaming community
>implying that someone besides YN community cares about YN
Yes, I see all that hype around new game. I see tons of letsplays, tons of new people. Wow. What a massive 'news', as you say.
It seems to me that from financial point of view everything would've be more successful if they've done original game instead of YN fangame.

Again, if Kadokawa wanted to exploit RPGmaker games community so badly they've better done 3D Witch House or some shit like this. Or Ao Oni 3D. Why not?
1) You can contact developers; 2) It has bigger community than YN;
But from all of things they've chosen to make a game for a dying fandom. Why? They are a big corporation, and yes, I know that they own all rights on RPG Maker. But if Kikiyama by any chance appeared and said "hey this is my game! you have no rights!", than Kadokawa will have problems. Or at least their reputation will be ruined in this 'huge gaming community'.

>contact Kikiyama
I've said "Kadokawa", not Kikiyama.

>>2444
Who? Where? Did you contacted with people from a credit roll of the game (3D modelers, designers, composers, etc)? I assume not. If they worked on a game together than they could've described at least what exactly Kikiyama did on this game. I assume that they could at least say how was the game development process. I assume that someone must know something about that situation but you didn't even tried doing this.

For fandom, that glorifies YN and Kikiyama so much, that's extremely small effort to find out even if Kikiyama is still alive.

Remember the protocool boys, do not engage, and if you do, don't take it too seriously.

Anon is reviving a topic we already discussed and feigning ignorance while inciting flame.

If you think about past events, it's pretty obvious who this is.

あたしはKIKIYAMAです。
ｎｏｔ　ｆｒａｕｄ．　ａｍ　ｒｅａｌ．

>>2448
No, I'm relieving this topic so we could actually do something. Maybe we could've gather together and write a message to game devs.

Ask them some questions, like:
1) when has development of the game started? whose idea it was? why then? why in this genre?
2) do you know how did they found kikiyama? did kikiyama responded to e-mail (sended to his e-mail address)? if yes, did he said why didn't he replied on fan e-mails? how did they knew that it was real kikiyama or not?
3) do you know for what kikiyama was exactly responsible? did he just gave an approval? did he really send his old sketches? did he directed the project?
4) how did you contacted with him: by internet, director of project met him IRL?
5) why he didn't anyone made interview with him? he didn't wanted to or there was some other reasons for this?

I will be thinking what more can we ask. I'm sure someone from the crew must know something.

I'm just confused why isn't nobody interested in this no more. Even if all of that is meaningless, isn't it interesting to try solving this mystery? Even if we can't have interview with Kikiyama at least we would have interview with the devs. Even if you don't like this game? even I can't say if I like this new game, you have to admit that it appeared out of nowhere. And at least it's interesting why was exactly this game created and released now.

>reviving a topic we already discussed and feigning ignorance while inciting flame
I know that this topic is already discussed, but in the end everybody stays on their point: you either believe that kikiyama is involved or not. I didn't saw mass attempt to actually reach the truth and do something useful. Every discussion concluded in: 'he could've updated his site' or 'he could've respond to fan e-mails'. But this isn't very crucial evidence, isn't it? I won't repeat counterarguments for this, you already know them.
Besides, in by longpost I've tried not to bring up those points that I saw already other people bring up on other threads here.

Besides, those discussions were mainly before 2.0 update. Now when it is out, it just raises even more questions.


Also you say that somebody tried contacting Kadokawa but I can't find thread with that somebody actually showing what did they write. So I really ask you to actually show it. I'm not trying to flame anyone there, just interested to see if there is actually a place where you can actually read this letter? If not than proofs of someone reaching Kadokawa as non-existent as proofs of actual kikiyama involving in this project by your logic.

>>2450
>Also you say that somebody tried contacting Kadokawa
our boy steelpipe tried to contact playism and kadokawa and instead got threatened with a lawsuit

>>2450
I've found only this discussion on steam where actual contact with Playism is mentioned but no proofs and no text of mentioned letter.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/650700/discussions/0/1693785035830519137/?ctp=2
https://steamcommunity.com/app/650700/discussions/0/1635237606652708114/?ctp=7#c2595630410187209963

>>2451
Found no mentioning. Could you please not ironic "please", real "please" give link on thread?

>>2452
* second link is just the post from one of developers mentioning that kikiyama's involved. that was useless, I'm sorry, that was a little dumb. I'm stupid.

You found nothing because you didn't care about lurking, it's not like it's a mystery, the discussion about Steelpipe's findings is probably still in the first paga in /yn/.

Just like ITT making this whole lot of assumptions about us while not caring about lurking enough and adding this provocative approach.

It's not that we don't care about this subject, we just don't like you.

It is because we care that we started questioning the legitimacy of multiple entities claiming to have anything-official Yume Nikki since 2013.

Also, regarding how all our discussions "ended", Kikiyama's website did suffer changes, so you didn't lurk well about we discussing that either.

You're coming of as either a baity Discord tumblrtoon or just a genuine or rude outsider, and anons are probably laughing at me for taking you seriously for a second.

So if you want a civil and fruitful discussion, I suggest starting from scratch, or if you're just baiting us, here's my bite.

Thinking all of this was debated for so many years without anyone attempting to contact the source is not okay, as far as I know Steam YNDD staff was the most open to interactions, but no one, absolutely no one will give concrete evidence that Kikiyama is involved with them.

Yume Nikki is great, but what makes it profitable is that Kikiyama's existence is a mystery, one that will keep people talking, and no one half-competent will ruin that just to let you know their work is legitimate.

>>2447
Except they got a bunch of inexperienced people to do it. You would know that if you spent a couple minutes in /yndd/. YN was influential and practically anything, "official", involving it does cause waves. If you're too young to understand the significance of yn, you shouldn't be using this site. You're also implying that Kadokawa wouldn't make the mistake of severely overestimating the value of yn's brand recognition.

Imagine if YNDD actually turned out good and got into the mainstream and Uboachan got populated by Masada raped Madotsuki theories again.
I would be happy.

>>2454
Thank you for your genuine answer, really.
Maybe I'm dumb, but the only thread mentioning Steelpipe on Ubuu is about him finding 0.04 version of YN game. And his youtube channel is on Spanish. So no accessible information there either.

>no one half-competent will ruin that just to let you know their work is legitimate
There I agree, but I see that everyone was trying contacting mostly English-speaking Steam dudes. Maybe the other staff is not that brainwashed and somebody from other (non english-speaking staff) could answer the questions? I've even started this thread asking if anyone knows if somebody from Japanese community tried contacting anyone. Because language barrier.

>just a genuine or rude outsider
this. Also sorry for my attitude, I agree that I was a bit rude.
I have been watching activity on Uboachan readonly for a long time. I know that there were a lot of threads with you all writing letter for Kikiyama, trying to solve "Project Yume Nikki"'s mystery etc. But now I don't see that much of activity on this case. Maybe I'm just dumb, but, really, look at the threads on this board. Everything is either conspiracy theory-tier discussions either nothing. I'm starting thinking that either I'm dumb or some huge part of the discussions are outside of Uboachan.

**And you got me wrong I'm not underestimating the fact that YN is gorgeous and legendary. In fact, if that wasn't the case than Ubuu-chan was long gone.
But that's why I think the game wasn't that bad. did I said somewhere that I prefer it to original or something? I didn't even said it was good. It's really hard to do something better than original.**


>I suggest starting from a scratch
I heard you, anon. This conversation here really leaded in the wrong direction. I suppose that I should gather more information and maybe come back later.

>>2458
but seriously, did you saw those pregnant monsters? it clearly implies that mado was graped
yea. i wish that that was true

>>2459
I tried contacting YN project back in 2013 asking how they contacted kiki or at least say something about it, sent mails to kiki, sent mails to YNDD staff, and they all either didn't reply, or it was what you've seen so far. I've tried in japanese communities, and apparently nobody has been able to get anything solid there either. I asked the spanish community, and they said they didn't get replies either.
All you've proposed has already been either discussed or tried. The reason nobody bothers anymore is exactly because we've exhausted all the potential chances there were to get any answers. And as >>2454 says, that's exactly why the whole thing is profitable and hence why nobody will ever say anything.

Why waste my time hunting for a ghost that's gold exactly for being a ghost? It will never go beyond suppositions and "conspirancy-tier" bullshit.

>>2461
I've understood your point. If that so than everything makes sense. Thank you for explanation.
Sorry for wasting your time, Ubuu.

thread officially closed

Now that I think about it, if Kadokawa emailed kikiyama and got no response themselves, from their perspective, wouldn't it seem pretty safe to assume the real kikiyama wouldn't, "pop up", after the game was released, start complaining, and have proof of their identity? Just a thought. Somebody should try contacting the web-host of kikiyama's site, if that hasn't been tried already. We've seen changes before that kikiyama might not have had anything to do with.
>>>/yn/6143
Considering how large kadokawa is, I don't know how hard it would be for them to get access from the host. They might not have even had to pay them off or anything. If they already started development or planning, this would have just be an after-thought.

>>2464
And also. If Kadokawa hacked the site to get banner on it why didn't they put link on the Steam release for YNDD as well so nobody have any questions about Kikiyama's presence?

>>2465
A couple days after YN Dream Diary was first released, there was a small banner for it added on Kikiyama's site.

>>2466
Excuse me… Than how much more evidence do you want about Kikiyama being involved and alive?

Imagine this.
>be Kikiyama
>2018
>you choose to participate in somewhat ambitious game project
>it's been 9 years so you hope everyone will finally calm down and stop sending you all those cringy e-mails, asking for a personal information
>you hope everyone will like it

>release date
>the game didn't turned out as good as you wished/you just don't want to bring more attention for yourself so you don't want to make any interviews or update your site

>REEEE KIKIYAMA IS A FRAUD!!!!! THIS GAME IS SHITT!!!! THE ORIGINAL YN HAD SO MUCH SENCE AND THE GRAPHICS ARE SHIT!!!! FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD
>you understand that no evidence will convince those insane people and just give up
>you understand that even your fans won't understand you and kill yourself

>>2468
>be kikyama
>get a lot of emails asking about your involvement in a project
>spend to one of those emails
>be fan
>get a response to your email
>post screen-cap
I'm mostly convinced that they are involved, but I don't see any harm in being skeptical all things considered. People complaining about theorizing are overbearing and ten times more obnoxious. Think whatever you want.

>>2469
Better yet, that fan could take a video showing the email. A kadokawa employee could have also done this. Most of the suspicion comes from how it seems like, "kikiyama", supposedly did everything in their power to prevent kadokawa from giving concrete proof.

>>2470
>>2469
Maybe that's the case here. Maybe he don't want to concern anyone, maybe he don't like having the fanbase for yume nikki, maybe he don't want to answer your cringy e-mails.

If Kadokawa wanted us to believe their 'fraud' they'd easily could made an interview with a random person, hack the site, hack the email, why not? If Kadokawa is that fearless and bad to steal the copyright without author's permission they could've easily do that. Maybe Kikiyama insisted that nobody from Kadokawa will say anything more to anyone, because he prefers not to be in the spotlight or something like that. Maybe he don't want you to know if he is really alive, because he prefers to be that enigmatic.

Did anyone even thought about this, hmmm?

>>2469
That's a good and smart point but knowing Uboachan and Yume Nikki fanbase in general everything is going to be like this:

>REEEE THIS IS FRAUD YOU'VE MADE THIS VIDEO UP!!! THIS IS NOT REAL KIKIYAMA!111 REEEEE KADOKAWA HACKED KIKIYAMA'S EMAIL!!! OR YOU'VE PHOTOSHOPPED IT! NEW GAME IS SHIT THERE IS NO WAY KIKIYAMA IS INVOLVED

Because
>uhhh we won't believe anything before he updates the site
>he actually updates the site, putting a small banner on top
>REEEE KIKIYAMA'S SITE GOT HACKED BY KADOKAWA!!!

>>2471
>>2472
Right now we have kadokawa's word, a few site banners, and little it of supposed concept art. That alone might not be that hard to doctor. Outright hacking somebody's email would be a lot trickier and not worth the effort. I don't get why you're so bothered by speculation.

>>2474
Actually I've found something recently.
We're fucked, boys

I stopped paying attention to YNDD right after it came out (I was very disappointed) so I missed the fun times of creating all these theories. But considering the size of Kadokawa and the probable size of their legal team, seems unlikely they would pull something like breaking copyright.

Cool art man.

That would be cool if Konami made a Yume Nikki game

imagine expecting kikiyama to answer an email about his involvement.

"yeah random anon, i just ceded the YN IP to kadokawa for a moderate amount of money and my involvement with the new game is what it's minimally needed for its development as it's stated under my contractual obligations, since I lost interest in yume nikki for more than a decade now, as it should've been clear by the fact that the original game remains essentially incomplete. I'm admitting to this despite the fact that it would obviously undermine the appeal of what's now an asset for a company I signed a contract with, possibly voiding it and harming their bottom line making me liable of legislative action against me"