/trash/ - Trash

Cheese cake NEET: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4PsC8lrKpeH6SU2Si8l1Pw/featured?disable_polymer=1
N0THANKY0U: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqfHQDUjK49FbPxrOFu0SeA

zabujard. He was banned from yt but he's on deviantart and newgrounds

>>692
>zabujard. He was banned from yt but he's on deviantart and newgrounds

I dont like that guy too edgy for my taste.

All obnoxious norms aside from zabujard

>>694
>All obnoxious norms aside from zabujard

Zabujard is a faggot.

Not everything needs to be a YouTube channel. It’s a very boring topic to make videos about and if you make money off of it you’re a dumb fake NEET!

>>696
> if you make money off of it you’re a dumb fake NEET!

I can somewhat agree with that since Youtube is kind of a job and NEETs and Hikis dont have jobs.

>>697
>NEETs and Hikis dont have jobs
NEETs don't have jobs but hikkis can

Hikkichan wasn't even NEET since she went to school. The entire image people have of her of being either hikikomori or NEET are both wrong.

>>698
>NEETs don't have jobs but hikkis can

You do realize if you're working you're still apart of society because weather you want to or not you have pay bills and taxes the whole point of hikikomori is to withdraw from society people who work from home are not hikikomori.





Definition speaking they are all shut-in NEETs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTZBw5WkeU [Embed]

From Wikipedia

>The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare defines hikikomori as a condition in which the affected individuals refuse to leave their parents' house, do not work or go to school and isolate themselves away from society and family in a single room for a period exceeding six months

>>699
>Hikkichan wasn't even NEET since she went to school. The entire image people have of her of being either hikikomori or NEET are both wrong.



Thats because Noriko was a persona you retard Noriko was a character created by Ashley Ashley yes was being truthful in her vlogs she had a rough life real mental health problems and was generally a reclusive type of person but the whole female Hikikomori/NEET thing is a persona Noriko Hatakeyama/Hikkichan is a female NEET/Hikikomori where Ashley Hanrahan is not and never was if that makes any sense.

>>700
I have a question for you, are you considered a hiki if you leave to buy groceries?

>>702
>I have a question for you, are you considered a hiki if you leave to buy groceries?


I would say yes because most hikikomori actually do still go outside they are just isolated socially they dont work go to school nor have a social life outside the house here is a quote from an article (Quote) “Hikikomori are able to visit places where they feel secure,” says Ikegami, who himself had a period of social withdrawal in his younger days.

“They don’t work or do anything, so they think people are going to criticize them and dismiss them as worthless. They think the people around them will start lecturing them, so they avoid places where people might be,” he says.

“They can go to libraries or convenience stores or train stations — places where they don’t know anyone or where no one is likely to start talking to them,” he says. “Some people might even feel they can go to a convenience store if the clerk is foreign, not Japanese.” (Unquote)

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2019/06/01/lifestyle/prison-inside-japans-hikikomori-lack-relationships-not-physical-spaces/#.XVTTqehKjIU

>>703
Good, you passed the test.

>>700
>the whole point of hikikomori is to withdraw from society
It's a coping method. There is no single way one is hikikomori aside from the criteria.

"Withdrawing from society" is very subjective and can occur in numerous ways. Everyone would agree, not leaving one's house or room is withdrawing from society, at the very least on a local level. Using that line of reasoning that having a job (or income, by extension) means one is not hikikomori, then if a hikikomori uses the internet or anything provided by the society such as electricity or water then they're participating in the society and thus not hikikomori.

If one were to active contribute to a society while merely being reclusive, then using the term hikikomori may be less clear in that instance. However, not all hikikomori have parents to support them so some means of income may be their only means of survival, even if it's patreon or surveys. There are many examples of ways someone could make money but still not contribute in such a way that would contradict the term hikikomori, for example, cryptocurrency or web design. Those largely do not contribute to the collective in ways most jobs do.

A real hikikomori doesn't communicate even online, those who claim to be hikikomori, but still have active online lives are posers, these noob losers still have much to strive for to earn the true pro loser title that is "hikikomori".

>>706

You're a fucking idiot.

>>707
I disagree.

>>705
>It's a coping method

No it is a psychological condition where a person coops themselves up at home in a single space due to various personal and social issues in their life.

>then if a hikikomori uses the internet or anything provided by the society such as electricity or water then they're participating in the society and thus not hikikomori.

That is a stupid cop out argument that makes no sense the difference is those are basic everyday necessities to survive in the modern world in at least someway where is working a job and attending school is way more interacting with society than any hikikomori ever would.

>not all hikikomori have parents to support them so some means of income may be their only means of survival, even if it's patreon or surveys. There are many examples of ways someone could make money but still not contribute in such a way that would contradict the term hikikomori, for example, cryptocurrency or web design. Those largely do not contribute to the collective in ways most jobs do.


I honestly don't care what kind of industry you're in because there is usually is something you're selling to someone weather that be a service a product or a skill you can do and to do that you need to have interaction with the outside world and employees to make that happen almost every job you work you have customers so you essentially are still contributing to society and still giving back to society and pretty much almost all at home jobs still require you to sometimes leave the house and go to the actual job and they also require you to go to an in person interview and talk to a stranger on the phone which a real hikikomori could not do and true not all hikikomori are supported by their parents but welfare is a thing you know that right? so yeah my point is definition speaking they are all NEETs because hikikomori means not contributing to society did you even watch the video i linked? also lets not derail this thread okay.

>>708
>I disagree.

Well you're posting here so yeah you're a idiot.

>>710
I never claimed to be hikki, silly.

>a idiot
Its "an idiot", dear. Ironic, isn't it?

>>709
>No it is a psychological condition where a person coops themselves up at home in a single space due to various personal and social issues in their life

What do you think a coping method is then? Facing some trauma or intensely unwanted situation which brings strong emotions and finding some respite from it in some form whether it be alcohol, isolating oneself, or something else.

>>713

What a pathetic edgy attention whoring money hungry jew.

>>705

For a long time I used the tag "high-functioning" recluse, because it avoids the whole competition thing of who's a true hikikomori, who's more fucked-up, etc.

Even though I can go outside (having built up my tolerance over a number of years)– it still feels like an away team mission on an alien planet, we're I've got a limited battery pack.

My guess is what I have is some kind of stimuli overload condition– I'll start getting irritable for example if I see a line of ants making their way into a bait trap. I don't even really mind the ants, but it's because they're chaotic doo-dads.

The tech changes drive me nuts too; the microtransactions with online shopping, the people who drag out text conversations over a number of hours. I need the walls to block out the trickles…

>>713

Star is a Digibro rip-off. His format, editing, the rants, the way he structures his playlists, etc. all reek of Digi idol worship. The problem is that he's just way less interesting than Digi because he's a 17 y/o that has little life experience, and most of that "experience" comes second hand from Digibro, other youtubers, books, media, or other things he consumes. I think he mixes up these second hand experiences for his own, and stretches the truth a bit in his story telling.

Him and other similar hiki/neet youtubers are boring because they gripe about the same shit. Normies and what not. They also sperg out at the slightest bit of criticism. If you don't reply with "comfy" comments (comfiness above all for these thin skinned faggots), then you're just shut out. But honestly that's a problem with most youtube "personalities"… anyone who isn't pleasing them is a "hater" to be ignored/blocked/punished. Youtube and Youtubers are all cancer.

>>716
Fucking this best post ever finally somebody said it exactly he is also very narcissistic and pretty much a borderline sociopath as well and that retarded Korean kid named Red continues to suck his and hiding in my rooms dicks both Star and Red ban you outright if you criticize them despite the fact that they want to be famous public figures which shows how SJW they both really are also i gave Red advice on how to change his life and he just spat in my face even though i did care about him and tried to help him he just refuses to change his life and grow up and Star and his other friends just enable his toxic behavior at least i am trying to change my life for the better so i can be happy unlike these fucking losers who carry the misogynistic black pill incel defeatist mindset and at least i am not the one who is friends with a child molesting rapist unlike these kids and Red isn't even a real Neet he has and has always had a job you cant be Neet and have a job it doesn't work like that and hes always had this job ever since i met him 1 year ago if you wanna get technical about this shit they literally are no different than Noriko/Hikichan because just like her they are also attention seeking whores.

>>716
>Child molesting rapist
Do you mean Digibro or some other guy?

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned chad marco yet since some of the content he posts seems pretty good.

>>716


>Star is a Digibro rip-off. His format, editing, the rants, the way he structures his playlists, etc. all reek of Digi idol worship.

I have not liked the bulk of Digibro's videos for over a year now. I have been absurdly vocal in my criticism of him.

My editing is definitely similar. But that's mostly because I'm lazy and don't enjoy editing very much so I do the most rudimentary things editing wise which happen to also occur in a lot of his videos.

As for the playlists, the reason I use them is because they're good playlists. I like the idea. They work well. And I don't make it a secret that I got the idea from him because that seems a little insecure. Why not wear the influence on your sleeve? Leave credit where it is due? You can be your own individual while also doing this.

To say that my videos are the format as Digi however I think is a bit unfair. Digi makes an explicit effort to make his vlogs HD, to have a coherent topic, to be marketable, analytical, and so on. I'm over here just pointing my camera and stuff and saying words. I talk about life lore because that's what I value the most in YouTube content which Digi has deliberately not done for quite some time now. I enjoy people's mundane lives, the most raw expressions of them. Of course people would find that boring, my interests are autistic as fuck. But I don't make videos with the intention of them being for other people. I do them because there's a style I like and because I like seeing that style. If there are other people in the world who enjoy something that niche as much as me, great! If they don't, well, it wasn't for you in the first place.

>The problem is that he's just way less interesting than Digi because he's a 17 y/o that has little life experience, and most of that "experience" comes second hand from Digibro, other youtubers, books, media, or other things he consumes.

You're absolutely right. I have far more life experience than most people my age mostly because of being forced to move to so many different states and having to take care of my parent's mental health problems/financial issues and a number of other things but that doesn't change the basic fact that I am too young to tell the kinds of stories someone in their 30s would be able to tell with the body of experience that it would require to put them into context.

However, I do think I have some videos (like being an archive for instace) that have ideas in them that have not been expressed anywhere else on youtube but those are free and far between from my normal re-contextualizations of information that already exists.

>I think he mixes up these second hand experiences for his own, and stretches the truth a bit in his story telling.

Could you give an example?

>Him and other similar hiki/neet youtubers are boring because they gripe about the same shit. Normies and what not.

Completely understandable. These are the things I'm interested in and my channel is meant to be an unwashed archive of my thought processes incorrect and correct, strange and not so strange. It's a niche type of video, intentionally bad even. I'm just autistic.

I'm not going to be able to tell you what is correct and what isn't, I don't have the capacity to do that. I can only point to what patterns or consistencies I've noticed in my own feelings which are as you've probably guessed completely worthless unless you're trying to understand me or people who in some way similar.

>They also sperg out at the slightest bit of criticism. If you don't reply with "comfy" comments (comfiness above all for these thin skinned faggots), then you're just shut out.

I tend to keep up the majority of my comments except people who are spamming over and over again. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that I can't take criticism comes from. I've probably done something like what you describe in the past but I don't remember it. You'll find negative comments on my videos. It's just that I don't get them often so there usually aren't any. I also provide big replies like this one you're seeing right now. If that's sperging out then okay I can see it within that definition but I associate the term more with overt anger and suppression, not attempts at dialogue.

>But honestly that's a problem with most youtube "personalities"… anyone who isn't pleasing them is a "hater" to be ignored/blocked/punished.

I don't like this either. Which is why I don't do it. Comments directly effect a videos quality and part of that is having vibrant discussion that includes opposing view points. Everyone who disagrees with me is someone I can discuss these things with. And I often learn from interacting with them. Which isn't dissimilar to when I scroll down to the comments of a YouTuber I enjoy and read debate that adds to my understanding of that video. These are very valuable things.

>>717

>he is also very narcissistic and pretty much a borderline sociopath

I probably am a sociopath. I haven't been diagnosed with ASPD but I could easily see it. I'm also pretty narcissistic in the sense that I do like my own videos (I don't like I'm hot shit but I do moderately enjoy them) and I talk a lot about my own experiences which could easily be construed as narcissism. These are valid claims, I don't have the answers to say whether they're completely true or false. I lean in the direction of agreeing with you but I can't know for sure until I'm older with a larger body of information, experience, and have spoken to a professional about these issues.


>both Star and Red ban you outright if you criticize them

I respond to criticism regularly in comments. The reason I banned you Hiki was because you were constantly spamming. Red has talked in videos about how he bans people who criticize him deliberately, I disagree with him on that personally but I don't care.

>despite the fact that they want to be famous public figures which shows how SJW they both really are

Do you have a quote or a video where I say I want to be a famous public figure? I could give you a litany of videos where in the title alone I chastise this idea, railing against it entirely. Who else has not one but two videos telling their audience to unsubscribe? If I wanted subs, I would be doing things very differently on my channel. My unikitty video from 2016 for instance has over 60k views now because of how I marketed it, on the shonen ronin channel I've made a number of viral hits some with over 10k views. If I wanted to game the system I could. I don't want to.

>and at least i am not the one who is friends with a child molesting rapist unlike these kids

I don't care. I could be friends with someone who's shot up a school and I would not care. In fact, if laws didn't exist I would've killed and tortured multiple people by now. In what way does the child he supposedly molested have any effect on me?

>>721
>I probably am a sociopath. I haven't been diagnosed with ASPD but I could easily see it. I'm also pretty narcissistic in the sense that I do like my own videos (I don't like I'm hot shit but I do moderately enjoy them) and I talk a lot about my own experiences which could easily be construed as narcissism. These are valid claims, I don't have the answers to say whether they're completely true or false. I lean in the direction of agreeing with you but I can't know for sure until I'm older with a larger body of information, experience, and have spoken to a professional about these issues.

I actually wasn't expecting you to reply thank you for manning the fuck up and not being a pussy like Red. Anyhow i'm glad you recognize that you are mentally fucked up in some capacity however i am just going to take this with a huge grain of salt because it honestly sounds like you're just telling me what i want to hear rather than being honest which the nice guy mask is a common thing with psychopaths and sociopaths.

>The reason I banned you Hiki was because you were constantly spamming

Criticism is not spam was i spamming the same LOL faggot comment over and over again? no i wasn't i was giving you legitimate criticism and very recently i just asked you a simple question if anything the whole spamming argument just sounds like a bullshit excuse to keep me off of your channel because you can't take the specific criticisms and questions i throw your way.

> Red has talked in videos about how he bans people who criticize him deliberately, I disagree with him on that personally but I don't care.

He is such a big baby and easy to troll sometimes it is not even funny it is just sad and all i feel for him is pity doesn't he or even you to an extent realize that by making videos on me or talking about me you're giving me the attention i want rule number 1 of the internet don't feed the trolls hell even though the comments on that Reddit post did backfire i still succeeded because i got him to make a video and react which was my goal.

>My unikitty video from 2016 for instance has over 60k views now because of how I marketed it, on the shonen ronin channel I've made a number of viral hits some with over 10k views. If I wanted to game the system I could. I don't want to.

10k views is not viral in-fact that is nothing by modern Youtube standards in 2006 if you had 10k views yeah you would be considered a hit but not on modern Youtubeon modern Youtube 10k views is worthless and means nothing the times have changed since the golden years of Youtube and Youtube died in 2012 when it went full on corporate also there is no point in humble bragging about the various videos you have made that got average views at best.

>I don't care. I could be friends with someone who's shot up a school and I would not care. In fact, if laws didn't exist I would've killed and tortured multiple people by now. In what way does the child he supposedly molested have any effect on me?

Thank you once again for proving my point that you're a potential danger to yourself and society basically a ticking time-bomb also really?? you are waayy to forgiving i think you need to reconsider who your friends are and also develop some common sense morality common decency and respect towards others instead of being a hateful empty shell who cares about nobody also unrelated but kind of related but this is in response to the incel rant on your second channel the reason you get compared to incels or get called one is because you seem to carry bits of the misogynistic blackpill defeatist mindset that incels and robots have and you will not get anywhere in life with that mindset I'm working now and am going to get married soon besides returning to school how have you changed your life? because it doesn't seem like you have you just continue to let social isolation eat you away.

What is there even to "Youtube" about being a NEET/hikki? It's probably a very boring lifestyle to vlog about. What? Are you gonna show off how many piss bottles you made today or how much anime you've watched this week? Not to mention that Youtube can be a job, basically invalidating their whole status, so what's the point?

>>723

Fucking this.

>>723
Attention. They're craving for attention, and they try to appeal others by doing this.

>>723
Agreed. Some Hikki bloggers make content with creative tools or do cooking videos, but just filming yourself rambling on about your ebil parents or discord clique drama is a total tube clogger

>>713

This is his only good video.

https://youtu.be/H4cpUrR5EAM

Just walking around a domestic abuse shelter rambling about his ex with some cool cinematography and emotional rants to boot. /feels/

>>727
fuck off u/Mario_Zimbabwe

>>726
>Agreed. Some Hikki bloggers make content with creative tools or do cooking videos, but just filming yourself rambling on about your ebil parents or discord clique drama is a total tube clogger

This.

>>720
Probably going to get slammed for this here. But I'm worried about Star. His recent videos and streams have been very dark with this opioid addiction. I see myself in him and just want to give him a hug. I'm afraid he's going to die before someone who has the resources and is empathetic enough to be there for him–if he even wants that–can get to him.

I wish I could be that person at least a little bit. Maybe smoke weed with him and chill. I feel so trapped, am a neet hundreds of miles away with no car.

If you read this, I know you think your younger self was naive. And I'm not trying to come off as condescending, I genuinely care. But there is more to life than dying in your 20s from an OD and I think–I could be wrong I haven't seen *all* your vids–your younger self knew that. It wasn't naive, your just in a pit that's clouding your judgment because this society is sick and has fucked you over since the day you were born.

If I ever somehow crawl out of my own pit and get that car I'd come down to Kentucky just to give you a hug for 5 minutes than drive off if you wanted. I know you don't like people generally, but I remember you saying you liked being hugged.

If I sound psychotic right now it's only because this society doesn't value empathy. We're supposed to care about each other and feel the need to go to the ends of the Earth for each other. Because I see myself in you when you are in pain it hurts me, however little that might be through the wires leading to my computer screen. It's not pity, its solidarity and care for myself aswell.

All in all, I genuinely hope, nay pray, that once you get your autismbucks and the state fucks off with trying to force you into school that your life improves, even if only marginally. I wanted to send this through a dm, but didn't want to out myself because I have no idea how you'll respond. It's only a sentiment right now, I've got no resources to help. Maybe one day if we're still both alive.

>>731

You're a dumb fuck anon that evil sociopath is manipulating you to make you feel sorry for him and give him money and other stuff he wants. Who gives a shit if this manipulative narcissistic lying piece of edgy human shit spoiled brat dies just another monster gone from the world.

>>732
Although your post is relatively harsh and written as if you are a toxic teenager, I have to admit that you're right. Nobody deserves empathy or love but yourself.

>>733
>Although your post is relatively harsh and written as if you are a toxic teenager

Ironic that you say that considering that is exactly what Star and his friends are toxic edgy teenagers who larp as Neets because they want attention.

This thread is the tumblr of uboachan

>>735

This entire board is reddit tumblr Youtube zoomer snowflakes who larp as hikikomori and NEETs because they want attention and normalfags giving shitty advice to these stupid bratty kids who refuse to grow up most English hiki/Neet communes are full of fake people who are just larping.

>>736
>>732
>>733
>>734
>>735
Speak for yourselves. I made that post because I care. I'm not larping, I am a NEET. Not defending everything Star does. But those of you making certain claims are a taking a stretch. He doesn't fit the exact definition of NEET only because the state forces him into school under threat of financial destruction, that's not the same as not being a tvru NEET. I have never given him money. There's a lot of resentment in this thread right now and I don't know what he did to tip some of you off, if anything, or if its just one's own insecurities talking. I'd give you all a hug if you wanted one and the opportunity presented itself. We don't have to wallow in our pits of despair completely alone.

As for his edge and cringe at times, we can all be that way. In fact some of the replies to my post were that way. Nomatter, he's 17 and you have to meet people where they're at if you expect them to grow. I've watched enough of his content to get the picture that he is mostly authentic. There's genuine autism in that boy.

Kinda weird to see that Infinite Outlaw/Star is still around after we stopped talking. Last I heard of him he had run away from home due to his awful parents or something. Hope he's doing alright.

>>738
>Kinda weird to see that Infinite Outlaw/Star is still around after we stopped talking. Last I heard of him he had run away from home due to his awful parents or something. Hope he's doing alright.

Who gives a shit anon hes a piece of shit.

>>731
>have been very dark with this opioid addiction
>Maybe smoke weed with him
anon..

>>731
Not him but I really could use your help, anon. You seem caring and empathetic. Fuck, life sucks.

>>731
When does he mention abusing opioids? How did he even get them?

can anyone recommend a neet to watch? i want to simulate having a friend

>>743
>can anyone recommend a neet to watch? i want to simulate having a friend

Neet Youtubers are not interesting to watch not everything has to be a reality TV show and most of these Neet Youtubers are just teenage attention whores and not even real Neets at all YouTube might not be a traditional job but if they are making money from it it's still a job.

>>743
KingCobraJFS
Dragonlordfrodo

late to the neet gatekeeping discussion, but unless your parents are wealthy/well off/don't utterly hate you, you're not going to be able to be a ""proper"" hikki/neet lol. it's unrealistic

>>746
maybe i just feel called out, but i am definitely a hikki even if i go to school. i don't leave the house when the semester isn't in session, unless i need to buy myself toilet paper or something (there is nobody around to do it for me). i don't speak to anyone. i go through life as a ghost to everyone else. you can definitely be in society while being withdrawn, in the same way you can sit in a pool without swimming.

thank you

>>747
>maybe i just feel called out, but i am definitely a hikki even if i go to school
Sorry, but that's not how it works. Stop labeling yourself with trendy words on the internet. You are probably asocial and have or aren't interested on interpersonal relationships, that doesn't make you a hikikomori.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

>reclusive adolescents or adults who withdraw from society and seek extreme degrees of isolation and confinement.

>do not work or go to school and isolate themselves away from society and family in a single room for a period exceeding six months.

Being insecure and depressed or socially inept doesn't make you a hikikomori, your situation may be bad but you have to descend way deeper in that rabbit hole to get there, and no, you don't want to. No one wants that crap.

>>747
> i am definitely a hikki even if i go to school

No you're not a hikikomori is a Japanese NEEt who doesn't leave their bedroom for six months.

>>749

Fucking this these stupid normies edgy 4chan kids and cringy depressed emo kids making videos on YouTube for money and attention need to fucking stop calling themselves Neet or hikikomori because they are NOT being a reclusive introvert or hermit doesn't make you a hikikomori and if you're working you're still contributing to society therefore you are NOT a Neet and yes YouTube while not a traditional job it is still a job regardless.

>>749
>>748
did neither of you read my post? if you don't have parents to support you, how else are you going to survive? can you be a hikkineet while homeless?

>>752
> if you don't have parents to support you, how else are you going to survive? can you be a hikkineet while homeless?


By definition all hikikomori are Neets and the parents or someone else supports the child.

>>753
Couldn't someone that works from home be a hikikomori at the same time?

>>754
>Couldn't someone that works from home be a hikikomori at the same time?


No the whole point of being a hikikomori is extreme social isolation and the withdrawal of the individual makes it hard for them to even work or go to school or socialize in the first place because they are so dysfunctional of a person. It is basically similar to chronic depression and hikikomori are very emotionally sensitive people either due to a bad upbringing or something bad that happened in the past. These sociopathic narcissistic Youtubers are not hikikomori because they are not emotionally sensitive and bully others who are just like them therefore they don't actually know what it is like and just call themselves hikikomori to sound cool. On the topic of people working from home those types of recluses aren't hikikomori having a job means you are still linked to society. You still have a role in society and that you are still giving back to society and contributing to it in someway there are different Japanese words to describe these types of recluses as well 隠者 Hermit Recluse 世捨て人 Agoraphobia 広場恐怖症 Otaku オタク 社会不安 Social Anxiety if you work and or willingly leave your house regularly to socialize you're not a hikikomori being a depressed introvert or a young zoomer who is addicted to social media and the internet are not the same thing as being a hikikomori being a hikikomori is a psychological problem caused by various social personal and psychological factors.

>>753
you still haven't answered my question, lol, so i must be right. being able to not work must be nice, but some of us hikkis do so we don't starve. have a nice day

How can people still confuse hikki and neet definitions, it isn’t that hard to understand. The terms are not really interchangeable.

Hikkis are alike hermits, they isolate themselves away from the outside world. It’s a Japanese word for shut-ins. In Japan some hikkis are still in school, they just don’t go, sometimes for many years. There, some have actually taken online courses, others are working like in IT after being allowed by companies to work from home. They can work and be in school, they either don’t go or do so without leaving the place where they’re confined.

Neets are people that don’t work, don’t go to school, don’t follow any kind of vocational training, or anything similar to these. They can take a pretty normal life, they just don’t do anything work/education related.

Due to the conditions that both these situations put people through, they are likely to develop the other, as in becoming both a hikki and a neet.

>>747
You’re not a hikki or a neet since you leave for school. Just a very isolated individual.

>>752
Homeless people can be neets if they aren’t following any of those help programs, but they can’t be hikkis since they aren’t actually confined and isolated from other people and the outside world.

>>754
If they really never leave the house, yes, they are. But they aren’t neets.

>>756
>>757



Refer to these post you fucking retards.



>>755
>>749
>>709
>>700

We're not making any progress, I think we should drop it before certain two people start posting Corey.

>>759
I'm glad you still remember me

>>759
>We're not making any progress, I think we should drop it before certain two people start posting Corey.


Not an argument.

>>756
>>757

From Japanese Wikipedia.

引きこもり（引き籠もり[1]、ひきこもり、英語表記 hikikomori[2]）とは、仕事や学校に行けず家に籠り、家族以外とほとんど交流がない人の状況を指す。現時点では、日本の厚生労働省はこうした状態が6か月以上続いた場合を定義としている

Acute Social Withdrawal (Withdrawal [1], Withdrawal English notation hikikomori [2]) refers to situations where people cannot go to work or school, stay at home, and have little interaction with their family. At present, the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare defines these conditions as having lasted for more than six months.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/引きこもり

https://www.obatakazuki.com/hikikomori-genin

引きこもりの定義と全国の引きこもりに関するデータ

厚生労働省では『仕事や学校に行かず、かつ家族以外の人との交流をほとんどせずに、６か月以上続けて自宅にひきこもっている状態』の人を引きこもりと定義しています


より詳しい定義は以下の4つです。

ふだんは家にいるが、近所のコンビニなどには出かける
自室からは出るが、家からは出ない
自室からほとんど出ない
ふだんは家にいるが、自分の趣味に関する用事の時だけ外出する（準引きこもり）

Definition of withdrawal and national withdrawal data

The Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare defines withdrawal a person who has been withdrawing from home for at least 6 months without going to work or school and having little interaction with people other than their family.

The four more detailed definitions are:

I'm usually at home, but I go to a convenience store in my neighborhood
I leave my room but not from home
Hardly leave my room
I usually stay at home, but only go out for errands related to my hobby (semi-withdrawal)

>>749
I never made a myspace, facebook or anything else. I've literally been cocooned in my room and never came out. My only outlet to the outside world is these anonymous forums.

>>763
>I never made a myspace, facebook or anything else. I've literally been cocooned in my room and never came out. My only outlet to the outside world is these anonymous forums.


It was like this for me too back between 2016-early 2017 i had no online social interaction outside of places like this but later in 2017 i started participating in actual NEET communities but stopped and left after doing it for about a year and a half. They are toxic abusive manipulative narcissistic and many of them are not real NEETs or hikikomori at all. Nobody outside Japan is a real hikikomori and the few cases that do exist overseas are just that isolated cases. While i still comeback to these anonymous forums sometimes for the most part i am very avoidant nowadays and have a hard time connecting with or relating to NEETs from my own culture because of how rude mean and manipulative they are. As a foreigner who has spent time in Japanese Neet servers and on websites i have noticed a big difference between Neets in Japan and the west Japanese Neets are very introverted like to keep to themselves and usually do not talk much and for the most part are friendly and respectful where as English speaking Neets are very social and outgoing and a lot ruder mean and like to trash talk i think this is probably because of the cultural differences between the east and the west to be honest. I have never ever liked the aggressive brutally honest attitude people in my own culture have it is part of the reason i withdrew in my room i am very introverted but also very emotionally sensitive and i have social anxiety disorder depression and autism and as a child i grew up in a strict family environment so i can relate a lot more to Japanese NEETs in that regard and i have a lot of respect for them because of how respectful they are unlike western NEETs empathy and sympathy are truly lacking in our modern society today because of modern technology and if assholes like >>721 were actually a real NEET or hikikomori you would think they would be a bit more sympathetic and understanding because we are supposedly going through the same problems but no assholes like this larp as NEET?Hikikomori because they are edgy teens who want attention and they bully others who are supposedly just like them.

I don't worship jewtube celebrities. No one that vain would be worth my time.

>>765
>I don't worship jewtube celebrities. No one that vain would be worth my time.


Same.

Comfy Neet and Sunny are the best neet youtubers.

Star-chan is the cutest!!!

>>764
>you would think they would be a bit more sympathetic and understanding because we are supposedly going through the same problems
A lot of unhappy people that aren't normalfags are like this for some reason and I never understood it. You would think there would be some kind of camaraderie or something but there isn't, just angst directed at the people you should be considering your friends.

>>691
>?disable_polymer=1
Thank you for reminding me this is all I need to fix youtube's headache inducing redesign

Only YouTuber I know who's NEET is inmendham, who's supposedly been living off of disability for an anxiety disorder, but that's hearsay as I don't actually know much about his personal life. His videos are oddly comfy despite his pessimistic philosophy and aggressive attitude, although I find them redundant nowadays. Still an interesting guy, been around since the earliest days of YouTube and the internet in general, even maintains a nice and shitty web 1.0 site where you'll stumble upon his nudist/exhibitionism section if you click around too much. Now more active talking about physics on his DraftScience channel especially since google keeps giving him strikes on his main.

Anyone actually have anything of Hikki-chan from this decade?

who is that cutie, OP??

>>773
>who is that
Imagine being this much of a newfag </3

>>774
okay. but answer the question.

coco keiki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnCtedV-SEg
>5 years ago
I wonder what they are up to now

Dotesmite

Star never changes apparently. Years later and their still caught up in the same controlling manipulative behaviors as before. They don't learn even though they claim to hurting everyone they come into contact with.
>>778
Lacks perspective and enables Star.

i saw that stealth edit you did there

what was up with the latest star drama? all i know is he broke up with starman and dotesmite made a now deleted video about it.

>>779
hi plunder

i dont think someone being a neet is something i really care to watch. i have no issues with watching videos of people who do all kinds of work, in the same way i have no issues about watching nature documentaries. unless the speaker is speaking about a subject im interested in, i have no reason to watch

not to mention, its actually a lot of work, effort and stress to make videos. you have to deal with comments, people harassing you and criticizing you if you deal with controversial subjects. editing, video planning, appealing to meta strategies, etc. its actually hard work being a good content creator

>>782
You Wish.

>>785
Horrendously Hideous

>>785
For anyone who is enticed by their channel and wants to be their friend. Don't, please, enough people have been hurt by Star. I'll save you the pain. Anytime they do something hurtful, it's your fault. The moment you give them an inch when they abstractly explain why they hurt you instead of actually apologizing and taking real responsibility for their actions, they turn it around and talk about what you're doing to hurt them; even if all you've done is show them care and other people who know you both agree.
They don't have empathy for others and everything is always about them. Even when you try to get away they follow you obsessively and somehow that's your fault too. A lot of people have given them a lot of chances and compassion. It's really unfortunate, some of their older videos are artistic masterpieces but they're so marred in trauma they can't even understand their own behaviors, let alone form caring relationships and mend pain they've caused.

>>787
What specifically does he do? I'm interested because I don't know how one person hurts another. People use words like "betrayal" and the best meaning I can think of is "ran me through with a sword".

>>788
Here you will find one of many examples. Real evidence is hard to provide for other things people say about Star because for the most part most people including myself aren't obsessively taking screen caps of anyone's conversations and give other people respect.
But this is an extreme case of a person who pulls people into their life from a seemingly understanding online persona, only to emotionally abuse them for years. Whether it be cheating, soliciting money, accusing people of being pedophiles, accusing people of being rapists, or as in this case threatening suicide if another person dares to value their own mental health and try to stop talking to Star. Someone at some point had enough.
And they will claim the opposite, but they will obsess over you for months if not years even when you do leave finding anywhere on the internet you still exist and leave you comments trying to convince you that everything is all your fault.
They also seem psychologically incapable of apologizing or admitting they've ever done anything wrong in a real way. Anytime they may admit a very small thing they've done, it's always to follow up with something 10x worse they claim other people have done to them. It's never to actually recognize their own fault in order to grow.
If you've had the pleasure and displeasure to have followed their videos and interacted with them as long as I have you will have come to understand the contradictions in the things they say, and their inability to recognize their own behaviors.
I reiterate this for anyone interested in their channel. Stay far far away from any real interaction with them. They will cause you emotional harm for years if you get close to them.

>>787
>>789
>They They They
>Them Them Them
Talk normally.

>>789
Oh, you know, I actually have dealt with someone like this before. Thanks for the heads up, I hope it will help someone.
When someone threatens suicide in a genuinely coercive manner, a good way to respond is to say that you hope they don't, but that their life is their own, and that they have free will and can do what they want.

>>789
Imagine being so mad online that you would take a moment as personal as this completely out of context. If you know Star as well as you think you do, you also know that when he pulls shit like this, he always apologizes, uses that moment to grow (albeit slower than you might like), and rarely ever acts on his worst instincts that he used to frequently vocalize to other people. He doesn't do that anymore, and if you're running with the narrative that there's some type of never ending pattern, you clearly lack vital information that this behavior is something that he wants to get rid of more than anyone else.

I've been very close to Star for years. He fucks up all the time, and you can spin his worst moments into some damning evidence that he never changes, but that requires deliberately ignoring every single moment of growth. I've seen him slowly polish his most severe deficiencies consistently for years, and all you're doing is expecting someone with an incredibly fucked up life to somehow fix himself in the span of a few months. If you're too weak to handle someone who's a deeply flawed person, I'm not gonna blame you for it, but you obviously lack the strength to do anything actually constructive and feel that you're somehow so special that someone not taking your limited insight as gospel means that they are somehow irredeemable.

>>788

Never really been friends with the guy, but he does have massive victim complex and uses it to justify everything bad he does

>>789
Is this plunderfat or starman

>>792
>you would take a moment as personal as this completely out of context.
There is no context where threatening suicide against friends and lovers is acceptable behavior.
>you also know that when he pulls shit like this, he always apologizes
False on the claim they always apologize, in fact I've never seen them really apologize, thankyou for admitting they "pull shit like this" to the room.
>He doesn't do that anymore
This remains to be seen though I hope you're right for their sake and everyone else's.
>you clearly lack vital information that this behavior is something that he wants to get rid of more than anyone else.
"Wanting," and "doing," are two different things, the "doing," is absent and I was well aware of the "wanting."
>all you're doing is expecting someone with an incredibly fucked up life to somehow fix himself in the span of a few months.
I have seen steps forwards and steps backwards. Both have happened these past years. Nevertheless, I never expected them to fix themselves in a few months, and I never even expected them to "fix" themselves. No perfection is desired. I did expect them to be able to recognize their own actions and grow from them specifically where they are extremely harmful to others, instead, a narrative about "context," one you are parroting now is pointed to as if it some how justifies any of the things that have happened or this event in particular. The critical behaviors that keep self-destructing their relationships and harming people, I have yet to see change. As recently as these past months they were on full display on their main channel without any intimate context needed.
>If you're too weak, [sic] you obviously lack the strength to do anything actually constructive
I was constructive for years, and still am. There comes a point when patience and listening is not constructive. When triggering someone else doesn't take precedent over telling the truth. I was hurt, I am not going to be silenced when I see other people like myself walking into years of pain through no fault of their own. Star already tried to threaten me on an avenue of communication I forgot to tie up.
There is already a new motley crew forming which is visible to anyone paying attention and none of them deserve what I and others have been put through. This community is extremely vulnerable, and people at least deserve to see what they're getting themselves into. And you're wrong, it's not my insight alone, nor is it limited. I guarantee if star makes a response video to this, or tells others in any format, they will not admit to the screenshots provided above. And thankyou again, for validating their existence. If they even acknowledge them, they will justify the behavior somehow instead of just saying, "I'm sorry, I am doing my best to not act this way again."
It takes a strong person to stand up in the face of social pressure.

>>795
You fucked that uggo star and liked it

Guys, come on, no idea who this Star person is or how high he ranks in League of Legends, he's not worth fighting one another.
You know a thread is bad when Discord screenshots start appearing, maybe focus on the content these youtubers create instead of their dramas.

>>797
this, what's with these drama whores like this is some zoomer twitch streamer microceleb shit who fucking cares

>>795
Not the person you're replying to but what I've been told is he singled you out because you were a dramawhore about him and his ex. You intervened between those two and he didn't like that but he had no history of doing anything wrong towards you before that. Which is consistent with me and the rest of his friends. Star would not be able to keep the same friends for as long as he does if he didn't care about losing them. The kind of person who does the things you're accusing them of does not care about losing the people he's friends with. He also privately shown me screenshots of you, Erowind, offering him money and him declining multiple times. That doesn't sound like someone who's only goal is to solicit things from others without empathy.

You are not on a crusade helping other people. You're being a moralfag leftie like you were when he wanted to stop talking to you.

>>797
>>798
What were you expecting out of the eceleb thread?

>>799
Who said it was that person they were soliciting money from and who said it was that was person who they were doing things to? If they wanted to stop talking they should have stopped talking.
It’s not dramawhoring to stand up for people. And it’s not dramawhoring to tell friends when they’re doing fucked up shit.

>>801
Very heroic of you to "stand up" for an entire anonymous board, turning it into a namefagging circle jerk.
Keep stroking it, buddy.