No.753
>>752> if you don't have parents to support you, how else are you going to survive? can you be a hikkineet while homeless?By definition all hikikomori are Neets and the parents or someone else supports the child.
No.754
>>753Couldn't someone that works from home be a hikikomori at the same time?
No.756
>>753you still haven't answered my question, lol, so i must be right. being able to not work must be nice, but some of us hikkis do so we don't starve. have a nice day
No.757
How can people still confuse hikki and neet definitions, it isn’t that hard to understand. The terms are not really interchangeable.
Hikkis are alike hermits, they isolate themselves away from the outside world. It’s a Japanese word for shut-ins. In Japan some hikkis are still in school, they just don’t go, sometimes for many years. There, some have actually taken online courses, others are working like in IT after being allowed by companies to work from home. They can work and be in school, they either don’t go or do so without leaving the place where they’re confined.
Neets are people that don’t work, don’t go to school, don’t follow any kind of vocational training, or anything similar to these. They can take a pretty normal life, they just don’t do anything work/education related.
Due to the conditions that both these situations put people through, they are likely to develop the other, as in becoming both a hikki and a neet.
>>747You’re not a hikki or a neet since you leave for school. Just a very isolated individual.
>>752Homeless people can be neets if they aren’t following any of those help programs, but they can’t be hikkis since they aren’t actually confined and isolated from other people and the outside world.
>>754If they really never leave the house, yes, they are. But they aren’t neets.
No.758
>>756 >>757 Refer to these post you fucking retards.
>>755>>749>>709>>700 No.759
We're not making any progress, I think we should drop it before certain two people start posting Corey.
No.761
>>759>We're not making any progress, I think we should drop it before certain two people start posting Corey.Not an argument.
No.762
>>756>>757 From Japanese Wikipedia.
引きこもり（引き籠もり[1]、ひきこもり、英語表記 hikikomori[2]）とは、仕事や学校に行けず家に籠り、家族以外とほとんど交流がない人の状況を指す。現時点では、日本の厚生労働省はこうした状態が6か月以上続いた場合を定義としている
Acute Social Withdrawal (Withdrawal [1], Withdrawal English notation hikikomori [2]) refers to situations where people cannot go to work or school, stay at home, and have little interaction with their family. At present, the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare defines these conditions as having lasted for more than six months.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/引きこもり https://www.obatakazuki.com/hikikomori-genin引きこもりの定義と全国の引きこもりに関するデータ
厚生労働省では『仕事や学校に行かず、かつ家族以外の人との交流をほとんどせずに、６か月以上続けて自宅にひきこもっている状態』の人を引きこもりと定義しています
より詳しい定義は以下の4つです。
ふだんは家にいるが、近所のコンビニなどには出かける
自室からは出るが、家からは出ない
自室からほとんど出ない
ふだんは家にいるが、自分の趣味に関する用事の時だけ外出する（準引きこもり）
Definition of withdrawal and national withdrawal data
The Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare defines withdrawal a person who has been withdrawing from home for at least 6 months without going to work or school and having little interaction with people other than their family.
The four more detailed definitions are:
I'm usually at home, but I go to a convenience store in my neighborhood
I leave my room but not from home
Hardly leave my room
I usually stay at home, but only go out for errands related to my hobby (semi-withdrawal)
No.763
>>749I never made a myspace, facebook or anything else. I've literally been cocooned in my room and never came out. My only outlet to the outside world is these anonymous forums.
No.764
>>763>I never made a myspace, facebook or anything else. I've literally been cocooned in my room and never came out. My only outlet to the outside world is these anonymous forums.It was like this for me too back between 2016-early 2017 i had no online social interaction outside of places like this but later in 2017 i started participating in actual NEET communities but stopped and left after doing it for about a year and a half. They are toxic abusive manipulative narcissistic and many of them are not real NEETs or hikikomori at all. Nobody outside Japan is a real hikikomori and the few cases that do exist overseas are just that isolated cases. While i still comeback to these anonymous forums sometimes for the most part i am very avoidant nowadays and have a hard time connecting with or relating to NEETs from my own culture because of how rude mean and manipulative they are. As a foreigner who has spent time in Japanese Neet servers and on websites i have noticed a big difference between Neets in Japan and the west Japanese Neets are very introverted like to keep to themselves and usually do not talk much and for the most part are friendly and respectful where as English speaking Neets are very social and outgoing and a lot ruder mean and like to trash talk i think this is probably because of the cultural differences between the east and the west to be honest. I have never ever liked the aggressive brutally honest attitude people in my own culture have it is part of the reason i withdrew in my room i am very introverted but also very emotionally sensitive and i have social anxiety disorder depression and autism and as a child i grew up in a strict family environment so i can relate a lot more to Japanese NEETs in that regard and i have a lot of respect for them because of how respectful they are unlike western NEETs empathy and sympathy are truly lacking in our modern society today because of modern technology and if assholes like
>>721 were actually a real NEET or hikikomori you would think they would be a bit more sympathetic and understanding because we are supposedly going through the same problems but no assholes like this larp as NEET?Hikikomori because they are edgy teens who want attention and they bully others who are supposedly just like them.
No.765
I don't worship jewtube celebrities. No one that vain would be worth my time.
No.766
>>765>I don't worship jewtube celebrities. No one that vain would be worth my time.Same.
No.767
Comfy Neet and Sunny are the best neet youtubers.
No.768
Star-chan is the cutest!!!
No.769
>>764>you would think they would be a bit more sympathetic and understanding because we are supposedly going through the same problemsA lot of unhappy people that aren't normalfags are like this for some reason and I never understood it. You would think there would be some kind of camaraderie or something but there isn't, just angst directed at the people you should be considering your friends.
No.770
>>691>?disable_polymer=1Thank you for reminding me this is all I need to fix youtube's headache inducing redesign
No.772
Anyone actually have anything of Hikki-chan from this decade?
No.773
who is that cutie, OP??
No.774
>>773>who is thatImagine being this much of a newfag </3
No.775
>>774okay. but answer the question.
No.777
coco keiki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnCtedV-SEg>5 years agoI wonder what they are up to now
No.778
Dotesmite
No.779
Star never changes apparently. Years later and their still caught up in the same controlling manipulative behaviors as before. They don't learn even though they claim to hurting everyone they come into contact with.
>>778Lacks perspective and enables Star.
No.780
i saw that stealth edit you did there
No.781
what was up with the latest star drama? all i know is he broke up with starman and dotesmite made a now deleted video about it.
No.783
i dont think someone being a neet is something i really care to watch. i have no issues with watching videos of people who do all kinds of work, in the same way i have no issues about watching nature documentaries. unless the speaker is speaking about a subject im interested in, i have no reason to watch
not to mention, its actually a lot of work, effort and stress to make videos. you have to deal with comments, people harassing you and criticizing you if you deal with controversial subjects. editing, video planning, appealing to meta strategies, etc. its actually hard work being a good content creator
No.786
>>785Horrendously Hideous
No.787
>>785For anyone who is enticed by their channel and wants to be their friend. Don't, please, enough people have been hurt by Star. I'll save you the pain. Anytime they do something hurtful, it's your fault. The moment you give them an inch when they abstractly explain why they hurt you instead of actually apologizing and taking real responsibility for their actions, they turn it around and talk about what you're doing to hurt them; even if all you've done is show them care and other people who know you both agree.
They don't have empathy for others and everything is always about them. Even when you try to get away they follow you obsessively and somehow that's your fault too. A lot of people have given them a lot of chances and compassion. It's really unfortunate, some of their older videos are artistic masterpieces but they're so marred in trauma they can't even understand their own behaviors, let alone form caring relationships and mend pain they've caused.
No.788
>>787What specifically does he do? I'm interested because I don't know how one person hurts another. People use words like "betrayal" and the best meaning I can think of is "ran me through with a sword".
No.789
>>788Here you will find one of many examples. Real evidence is hard to provide for other things people say about Star because for the most part most people including myself aren't obsessively taking screen caps of anyone's conversations and give other people respect.
But this is an extreme case of a person who pulls people into their life from a seemingly understanding online persona, only to emotionally abuse them for years. Whether it be cheating, soliciting money, accusing people of being pedophiles, accusing people of being rapists, or as in this case threatening suicide if another person dares to value their own mental health and try to stop talking to Star. Someone at some point had enough.
And they will claim the opposite, but they will obsess over you for months if not years even when you do leave finding anywhere on the internet you still exist and leave you comments trying to convince you that everything is all your fault.
They also seem psychologically incapable of apologizing or admitting they've ever done anything wrong in a real way. Anytime they may admit a very small thing they've done, it's always to follow up with something 10x worse they claim other people have done to them. It's never to actually recognize their own fault in order to grow.
If you've had the pleasure and displeasure to have followed their videos and interacted with them as long as I have you will have come to understand the contradictions in the things they say, and their inability to recognize their own behaviors.
I reiterate this for anyone interested in their channel. Stay far far away from any real interaction with them. They will cause you emotional harm for years if you get close to them.
No.790
>>787>>789>They They They>Them Them ThemTalk normally.
No.791
>>789Oh, you know, I actually have dealt with someone like this before. Thanks for the heads up, I hope it will help someone.
When someone threatens suicide in a genuinely coercive manner, a good way to respond is to say that you hope they don't, but that their life is their own, and that they have free will and can do what they want.
No.792
>>789Imagine being so mad online that you would take a moment as personal as this completely out of context. If you know Star as well as you think you do, you also know that when he pulls shit like this, he always apologizes, uses that moment to grow (albeit slower than you might like), and rarely ever acts on his worst instincts that he used to frequently vocalize to other people. He doesn't do that anymore, and if you're running with the narrative that there's some type of never ending pattern, you clearly lack vital information that this behavior is something that he wants to get rid of more than anyone else.
I've been very close to Star for years. He fucks up all the time, and you can spin his worst moments into some damning evidence that he never changes, but that requires deliberately ignoring every single moment of growth. I've seen him slowly polish his most severe deficiencies consistently for years, and all you're doing is expecting someone with an incredibly fucked up life to somehow fix himself in the span of a few months. If you're too weak to handle someone who's a deeply flawed person, I'm not gonna blame you for it, but you obviously lack the strength to do anything actually constructive and feel that you're somehow so special that someone not taking your limited insight as gospel means that they are somehow irredeemable.
No.793
>>788Never really been friends with the guy, but he does have massive victim complex and uses it to justify everything bad he does
No.794
>>789Is this plunderfat or starman
No.795
>>792>you would take a moment as personal as this completely out of context.There is no context where threatening suicide against friends and lovers is acceptable behavior.
>you also know that when he pulls shit like this, he always apologizesFalse on the claim they always apologize, in fact I've never seen them really apologize, thankyou for admitting they "pull shit like this" to the room.
>He doesn't do that anymoreThis remains to be seen though I hope you're right for their sake and everyone else's.
>you clearly lack vital information that this behavior is something that he wants to get rid of more than anyone else."Wanting," and "doing," are two different things, the "doing," is absent and I was well aware of the "wanting."
>all you're doing is expecting someone with an incredibly fucked up life to somehow fix himself in the span of a few months.I have seen steps forwards and steps backwards. Both have happened these past years. Nevertheless, I never expected them to fix themselves in a few months, and I never even expected them to "fix" themselves. No perfection is desired. I did expect them to be able to recognize their own actions and grow from them specifically where they are extremely harmful to others, instead, a narrative about "context," one you are parroting now is pointed to as if it some how justifies any of the things that have happened or this event in particular. The critical behaviors that keep self-destructing their relationships and harming people, I have yet to see change. As recently as these past months they were on full display on their main channel without any intimate context needed.
>If you're too weak, [sic] you obviously lack the strength to do anything actually constructiveI was constructive for years, and still am. There comes a point when patience and listening is not constructive. When triggering someone else doesn't take precedent over telling the truth. I was hurt, I am not going to be silenced when I see other people like myself walking into years of pain through no fault of their own. Star already tried to threaten me on an avenue of communication I forgot to tie up.
There is already a new motley crew forming which is visible to anyone paying attention and none of them deserve what I and others have been put through. This community is extremely vulnerable, and people at least deserve to see what they're getting themselves into. And you're wrong, it's not my insight alone, nor is it limited. I guarantee if star makes a response video to this, or tells others in any format, they will not admit to the screenshots provided above. And thankyou again, for validating their existence. If they even acknowledge them, they will justify the behavior somehow instead of just saying, "I'm sorry, I am doing my best to not act this way again."
It takes a strong person to stand up in the face of social pressure.
No.798
>>797this, what's with these drama whores like this is some zoomer twitch streamer microceleb shit who fucking cares
No.799
>>795Not the person you're replying to but what I've been told is he singled you out because you were a dramawhore about him and his ex. You intervened between those two and he didn't like that but he had no history of doing anything wrong towards you before that. Which is consistent with me and the rest of his friends. Star would not be able to keep the same friends for as long as he does if he didn't care about losing them. The kind of person who does the things you're accusing them of does not care about losing the people he's friends with. He also privately shown me screenshots of you, Erowind, offering him money and him declining multiple times. That doesn't sound like someone who's only goal is to solicit things from others without empathy.
You are not on a crusade helping other people. You're being a moralfag leftie like you were when he wanted to stop talking to you.
No.800
>>797>>798What were you expecting out of the eceleb thread?
No.801
>>799Who said it was that person they were soliciting money from and who said it was that was person who they were doing things to? If they wanted to stop talking they should have stopped talking.
It’s not dramawhoring to stand up for people. And it’s not dramawhoring to tell friends when they’re doing fucked up shit.
No.802
>>801Very heroic of you to "stand up" for an entire anonymous board, turning it into a namefagging circle jerk.
Keep stroking it, buddy.
