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Is rule three no longer under reconstruction and if so, is that final? The red text is gone and it nobody has said anything about it. Could somebody besides myself please express their opinion on this.


It isn't final, because the mods haven't reconvened on it since our last discussion about it. This would be a good time for us to poll our users' opinions on rule 3, and all of the rules for that matter. A comprehensive review of the current rules and the way they shape our community is far overdue.


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The rules and site overall give me very mixed signals. Looking at the rules and guidelines now, or a couple months ago, they seem to mostly be focused on maintaining quality discussion while being very, "lenient", in other ways. A lot of it seems focused on curtailing arguments. How the current ruleset is enforced is very unclear. I'm not sure whether discussion or something else is actually prioritized more. I'm also not sure who exactly this site is intended for or what it's trying to be aside from a yn fansite and maybe an imageboard, whatever that even means anymore. This is especially true for guideline 5.

Looking at the site itself and the community, /og/ has a reference to saya no uta right there. There's also been a lot of discussion related to the pc-98, which has a library chock full of porn of all kinds. I assumed that and related types of things were common interests here outside of yn, but now I really have no idea. There have been discussions about loli in the past, and current issues didn't seem to be reflected during that time, so from my perspective, it's very confusing. To me, Rozencrab era regulations were just as nonsensical then and they are now. Recently, I got around to watching Gunbuster for the first time. I thought about talking about it, but it has a lot of nude scenes and i'm pretty sure those cartoon characters weren't 18 yet, so for all I know that would make somebody here feel, "uncomfortable".

This thread has been pinned, so really it seems time for others to speak up about this. Either there's really that few people on, or for whatever reason they don't feel like talking. If the people here really don't share my sensibilities, I'd like to know about it rather than let if be left vague.


The key phrase in rule 3 is "unless directly relevant to a discussion". Nowhere in the rules does it forbid you to post loli/hentai without spoilers as long as it's applicable to the thread you're starting or replying to. Rule 3 as it sits is the perfect compromise. People who want to post NSFW content outside of where it's expected are able to post it, people who don't want to see NSFW content are able to avoid it with relative ease. Rule 5 is straightforward, "don't post bait and don't instigate raids/arguments." There isn't any reason that a thread on Gunbuster or PC-98 games would raise any red flags.

The individual who first brought up the moderation inconsistencies was using loli as some sort of digital signature/avatar on all of their posts. Since tripcodes are used here, I'll assume that any debate concerning avatar usage is negated by that. The real issue at hand is that the pictures were usually bordering on shock image territory and had no context or relevancy to the threads they were posted in. There are countless imageboards dedicated to uploading hentai and sharing it with other people. I don't understand why someone would feel that it's necessary to dump their porn folder on a small imageboard that fills a very specific niche.


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>You can post it unspoilered if it's relevant
Nope. The rule states
>unless directly relevant to a discussion, spoilered, and clearly marked
The key word being and. Even if it's relevant, those three are a prerequisite. That's also for guro specifically. Rule 3 also states
>or post NSFW images unless spoilered
Which doesn't mention relevancy at all. I also didn't mention rule 5, I mentioned guideline 5, which is a separate thing.

I don't understand why nsfw images, especially of a certain kind, are treated specially. What is it about them that makes them deserve to be handled differently? If that's how the majority of people really feel, fine, but that seems contradictory to other things. Those porn sites also have virtually no discussion on them. Why is nsfw images and discussion mutually exclusive, especially when things that contain nsfw images are discussed often and are directly mentioned by a site? Saying uboachan fills an extremely small niche is inaccurate. While it is primarily intended as a YN fansite, most discussion is unrelated to that during the majority of time. I'm not sure if I interpreted that part of your post accurately or not though.


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It sems that rule 3 has been changed yet again. Now NSFW images are allowed, except of a certain kind. What bothers me more than the arbitrariness of banning one type of drawing over another due to personal feelings and western cultural norms after those images were already allowed for a good while(this is just my guess since there hasn't been any official explanation), is how covertly these changes are being made. No explanation and no consideration of feedback before making the change. Before the cosplay board was annexed, people were asked how they feel about it and that effected the final outcome. Recently, people were asked how they feel about the /hikki/ board. Yet somehow, just like that, this changes while everything else remains the same. Sei has invited people to talk about this, but aside from one guy, nobody else has weighed in, so I'm not sure whose views directed this change, since it can't be the users. This might still be subject to change for all I know. Really everything is a mystery until you pound on the door hard enough.


I changed the rule to be slightly more permissive while I wait for the rest of the staff (and hopefully more users) to write their opinions. All we are sure of right now is we don't want unspoilered shock porn all over the site. We are figuring out where to set the bar for how welcoming/offputting the site should to users who are not deeply adapted to chan culture, and loli/shota images are on the chopping block due to their shaky legality in many locales as well as their shock value to people who might want to just talk about Yume Nikki.


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Thank you for your response. I'd like to know what you intend for the site in the future and how much that reflects what people want, if that makes any sense. Are there a good amount of newcomers to YN and is there a lack of places for them to talk about it? Is ubuu appealing to these people regardless of porn being present or not? Besides the scanlations, ubuu doesn't have that much of a draw for that crowd, if it even exists. It's slower paced than most image boards, and image boards as a whole aren't drawing in a lot of new people compared to Discord and other social media platforms. The yume nikki tumblr section is way more likely to draw in new people, but even that's dying. There's also a reddit section for yume nikki. Compared to those places, besides their respective platforms being more popular, they're also more focused on the subject matter, so people who just want to talk about yn and nothing else will likely prefer them anyway. I don't know whether being accommodating to new users is actually an issue or not. Do you have a reason to believe it is? Am I wrong about all that?

As for legality in locales, are you referring to the US? Might as well enforce stricter piracy rules too if shaky legality is seriously a concern. You could also consider reporting people who talk about drug use too.

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