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 No.710

I have a theory, but it's a bit of a long shot.

What if Madotsuki was actually starting to go blind?

I mean, it isn't like she's 100% in the dark right now, seeing as she can play NASU fine, but maybe her vision is faltering, and she's really afraid of going completely blind. There is, after all, a lot of eye-related themes in the game.

Even with the characters. Most of their eyes are in some way or form not normal, ie googly eyes, funny colored eyes, one eye, closed eyes, etc. Even Monoe seems to be squinting. The only one who doesn't really seem to be funny-eyed is Poniko.

Poniko is the only human-like character in the game who both has their eyes open, and is in full color. Maybe Poniko is the Mado who can see. When Mado shuts off the lights, Poniko turns them on, so that she can see. But if Mado turns them off enough times, Poniko goes "blind" and turns into Uboa,the Mado who can't see.

Just a thought. I'm not 100% behind this yet.

 No.712

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>>710
Manoe isn't squinting. She's Asian. So is Madotsuki. It makes her look asleep and depressed. It's a thematic thing.

It's like you don't even know about facial features…

 No.713

>>710
Also I think that Masada's eyes are open because he is the only person Madotsuki connected to. Anxious people can be afraid of eye contact, but I think it's a conscious artistic choice. A lot of thought was put into this game.

Poniko is at a part in the game that seems peaceful, so she has open eyes too.

 No.717

>>710
My theory about the creatures in your picture is that Mado has been watching too much CBS.

 No.718

>>712
Asian-made media doesn't often portray Asians as actually having small/squinty eyes, it's only done as a "trait", like how in western media not everyone has a big nose but some characters to do just to make a point about their personality or to be funny.

 No.719

closed eyes are sort of a stylistic thing like Brock from pokemon, his eyes are always shut, its a symbolic representation. I think it makes him look like the shifty flirt he is.
and while yume nikki is not anime, you have to remember that kikiyama has a different set of cultural standards he grew up with. while we grew up with squinty eyes usually meaning blind(like mr magoo) or asian(tin tin) squinty, shut eyes may mean something else entirely to a japanese person who grew up with it being used very often in cartoons. very few people, i think, keep in mind cultural differences when making theories. they really should. a lot of theologist scholars believe the bible is heavily misinterpreted because people could not seperate themselves and see it from the viewpoint of the person alive when it was being written. not that i believe in the bible, but still.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EyesAlwaysShut

 No.720

>>712
>She's Asian. So is Madotsuki.

Prove it.

 No.721

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>>720
She looks Japanese.

 No.722

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>>721
The game was made in Japanese. This is why we had to translate it.

Compare Monoe's eyes to this racist propaganda.

 No.723

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>>721
>>710
Not Japanese but still Asian. Lucy Lui.

 No.724

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I can't believe people actually don't understand that Monoe, Monoko and Madotsuki are Japanese.

 No.725

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>>720
>>719
>>721

Monoe and Madotsuki have the same sprites, therefor we can assume Madotsuki is Asian too.

If you didn't already assume that because you weren't blind yourself/lack common sense.

 No.726

>>725
Same styled eyes on their sprites*

 No.727

>>721
>She looks Japanese
So she must be, because every character who looks Japanese MUST be Japanese, no matter the medium, continuum, or context (of which there is none in Yume Nikki, might I add).

>>725
>assume


Just because it's a Japanese game does not make all the characters Japanese. Monoe I will concede to, maybe even Monoko, but not Madotsuki. Have you ever thought that Madotsuki by the very definition of the name might be primarily intended to be a medium through which the player connects to the game as opposed to a character? There's no proof that she's any ethnicity in particular (well, that's a bit hyperbolic as she's obviously not African or South American or whatnot). But whatever. Keep your desu desu Japanese loli Mado fantasy, I've said my piece.

 No.728

>>727
Yeah, I kinda saw her as being German, but that works too.

 No.729

>>728
For somebody who doesn't like my posts because you claim I assume too much, you sure do make a lot of assumptions about me. Most of which are petty insults. I'm just following logical common sense. Your entire theory is based on the assumption that she isn't Japanese, which has less evidence than her being Japanese. Her eyes being squinty because she is Asian makes sense. Monoe has the same eyes on her sprite as her, when you zoom up she has typical asain features.

To assume shes' going blind becuae she has squinty eyes sounds like a bad racist joke. Unfortunately it implies you are not aware of asian stereotypes which is mindblowing to me.

>Have you ever thought that Madotsuki by the very definition of the name

Madotsuki is a Japanese name. Madotsuki is the only officially named character. Madotsuki is the only character with names written in Japanese. I'm not sure what other official names are in the game but most are probably japanese.

More Japanese shit in Yume Nikki:
Twirling umbrella
Yuki-Onna
Cat effect is a lucky cat
Triangle Kerchief
Demon is a japanese oni
She ha a famicom
Mother 1/Famicom world. Mother 1 was only released in Japanese.

Are you fucking serious? This is why theories about Yume Nikki are always bad quality. People don't even grasp common sense when speculating.

Eyes = watching you

 No.730

>>729
Madotsuki isn't a Japanese name. It literally means "windowed", amd the last time I shecked, people don't name their children "window"

 No.731

>>730
It's a videogame.

A japanese videogame. With two characters with the same eyes. The only one you can see an official profile shot has squinty asian eyes. OBVIOUSLY THAT MEAN'S SHE IS GOING BLIND DURRHURRR. Nobody shoots down retarded theories enough.

 No.732

>>731
Wha-

I didn't even mentioned the eyes. What the hell man.

 No.734

>>729
I never explicitly stated that she isn't Japanese, I just said there's no direct evidence that she is. You're not making much sense for someone who's claiming to be following "logical common sense." Just because the game is Japanese doesn't mean that all the characters MUST BE Japanese by default. If that were the rule then every character from a game produced in Japan would be Japanese no matter how European they might look (or be).

Just because a game has Japanese or Japanese-looking items in it does not mean all the characters are Japanese. You may or may not have noticed, but the Japanese often slip little bits of their culture into games they make, often figures or items from folklore and mythology. You could just as easily say that the blanket is Japanese, or that the witch is Japanese. If I were going to make a counter-argument on the same premise I could point out to you that the witch effect exhibits a typically western interpretation of a witch, or that the twirling umbrella was inspired by Singing In The Rain, or that [the blonde hair effect] is exemplary of an inherently, European feature. None of these things present a solid argument towards either of our points.

>>730
This is what I was getting at. The fact that her name means "window" may be meant to disassociate her from any given ethnicity so she can better serve as a conduit for the player.

>This is why theories about Yume Nikki are always bad quality. People don't even grasp common sense when speculating.
So all theories except yours are bad quality because no one knows how to grasp common sense better than you? Oh yeah, I forgot my insult. Faggot.

 No.735

>>730

That remark is horribly invalid. Japanese names are oftentimes things that the rest of the world wouldn't dream of calling their children. A simple example would be Shinobu, which stands for Patience. I'm sure you've heard the name Shinobu before, so get informed before making that kind of statements

 No.736

>>735
Your remark is just as invalid. Are you aware of western naming practices, particularly of English/American naming conventions existing within the last three centuries? It was, at one point, extremely common to hear names like "Constance" and "Patience." People would often name their children after the seven Christian/Catholic virtues. Times have changed so you won't hear names like that anymore, at least not outside of Amish country. Why don't you get informed instead?

 No.737

>>736

One would think it would be really hard for someone to manage making an ass out of himself while also completely failing to refute another's point, but then you came along

Prima: Madotsuki isn't a real name, because it means "window"
Secunda: Japanese people use names that others would never use
Retard: herp they used them before so you're wrong derp

Please try a bit harder next time

 No.738

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>>734
I would have actually liked to discuss this but you are the one who devolved this into petty insults. You didn't have to call me a faggot. I didn't have to call you retarded, but I think you have to be retarded to type what you are typing. And you probably think I'm a faggot too.

The game is made in Japan. Madotsuki has squinty eyes. Monoe has squinty eyes. They are the same as Madotsukis in their sprites. There is an official portrait of an Asian girl in the game. It's a Japanese girl because it looks like a Japanese girl. Madotsuki is a Japanese name, even if it is uncommon. Twirling umbrellas come from Japanese festivals. Yuki-Onna is from Japanese Mythology. The cat effect is a Lucky Cat, from Japan. The Triangle Kerchief is a Japanese association with ghosts. The Demon is a Japanese depiction of a demon. She has a famicon, which was only released in Japan. She dreams about a Famicom game that was only released in Japan.

Every other item is a daily object that could be used by a large number of countries, including Japan. Except maybe the blonde hair. It'
s not even her natural hair colour. It's brown. You know the hair colour that Japanese people have.

Those are region specific cultural things. Why would somebody be dreaming about a Japanese only game if she wasn't Japanese? She wouldn't be able to understand the text. Sure you can say, 'Well maybe she just played without knowing the text!' But that's retarded because you skip over the most logical assumption. To assume that Madotsuki fears being blind because she is squinting, instead of the most obvious answer which is that she is Asian is absolutely ridiculous. How can she be going blind if you can see everything in the game?

I know you're giving me shit for assuming thing, but you're assuming I interpret all videogames as this. Actually before that you assume I interpreted the game as a"a desu desu Japanese loli Mado fantasy." You're a pretty big hypocrite and there is no need of insulting me. Therefor, you are retarded. That's what retards do. They act retarded.

Look at the in game portrait of Manoe. She has asian eyes. Therefor we can assume that she is asian. What is so absurd about this line of thinking? It's not like this is an obscure Finnish game that has a suspiciously looking Asian character but the game developer is actually a team of Finnish dudes therefor we will never know if itw as just a coincidense. It's a Japanese game with Japanese looking characters. It's natural to assume they're JAPANESE!!!

 No.739

>>710
What if Madotsuki actually is afraid of eating shit because she has the shit hair effect? What if somebody shit in her hair or like she played with her poop and put it in her hair as kid?

 No.741

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i dont know why my jimmes are so rustled

 No.742

>>738
>I would have actually liked to discuss this but you are the one who devolved this into petty insults. You didn't have to call me a faggot. I didn't have to call you retarded, but I think you have to be retarded to type what you are typing. And you probably think I'm a faggot too.
Apparently you didn't notice that I was being deliberately facetious, though I was doing so to mock you a little more gently than before. But you can go ahead and continue this slapfight to make an ass of yourself to people who actually got the joke.

You keep missing the point I'm trying to make, regardless of how concisely I attempt to spell it out for you. Now you're the one making assumptions. Look, let me try this again, mirroring your argument as perfectly as I can:

The game is made in Japan. Madotsuki has closed eyes. Monoe has squinty eyes. They are the same as Madotsuki's in their sprites because it is difficult to put a large amount of detail into such small sprites. There is no official evidence that Madotsuki is squinting. "It's a Japanese girl because it looks like a Japanese girl," yet not everyone in a game who looks Japanese is Japanese. "Madotsuki" is a word which happens to be in Japanese, not necessarily a name. The Japanese did not invent the concept of twirling your umbrella. For all of your other mythology references please refer to the argument in my last post.

>Every other item is a daily object that could be used by a large number of countries, including Japan. Except maybe the blonde hair. It's not even her natural hair colour. It's brown. You know the hair colour that Japanese people have.
Again, completely missing my point. I don't know that I can lay it out anymore obviously for you though. Please re-read >>734 carefully.


She has a famicom, which was only released in Japan, but it's entirely possible she had it imported for novelty's sake or out of interest/weaboo-ism.

>Why would somebody be dreaming about a Japanese only game if she wasn't Japanese?
Maybe because she's extremely interested in Japanese culture and actually CAN read the text? It's not solid evidence that she's Japanese. By the way, the whole blindness argument is a complete non sequitur to me, I was not the one who brought it up.


Like I said, I'll concede Monoe because of her picture, Monoko maybe, but you're not giving me a single solid argument.

>Look at the in game portrait of Manoe. She has asian eyes. Therefor we can assume that she is asian. What is so absurd about this line of thinking?
Listen. Do you go around in real life thinking like this? "Oh, narrow eyes, must be Asian. Black, straight hair! Must be Asian." Most people don't, and I'd like to hope that you don't either. Therefore, since we're applying other real life logistics to a video game world, let's apply this one. While we're at it, why don't we just apply the broad line of your logic to every sprite in the game: Takofuusen is Japanese because of his squinty eyes. Poniko's eyes are pretty squinty, let's say she's Japanese too. Mafurako is asleep, but those eyes of hers look kind of squinty, not closed— must be Japanese. Uboa's Japanese, look at his squinty eyes. Do you see what I'm getting at here?

>It's a Japanese game with Japanese looking characters. It's natural to assume they're JAPANESE!
It's a Japanese game with a couple of characters that might be interpreted as veritably Japanese. The rest is pretty well unverified.

But by all means, keep calling me a retard because you got buttfrustrated when I tried to poke a little gentle fun at you and because you apparently refuse to comprehend the argument I've attempted to lay out for you. In the end this is a dead end argument because we don't even know if Madotsuki's world is the same one we live in.

 No.743

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>>738
>implying Kikiyama can't actually be someone/a group of Finnish/Non-Japanese in general dudes who happen to live in Japan

This entire thread is stupid. Asians rarely stereotype themselves in their own media, Monoe probably has those eyes to denote her personality, some of the effects being directly Japanese doesn't mean Madotsuki must be Japanese herself, there have been Famicoms all over the world (I should know, I had one when I lived in Nigeria of all places), Kikiyama might just have liked Mother 1 and didn't necessarily mean Madotsuki played it, "Patience" used to be a pretty common name in the west, a bit like the name "Faith", and honestly…quit assuming shit and trying to refute theories because of your own opinion on something extremely fucking ambiguous. i mad

 No.744

>>743
It's not a stereotype her eyes are asian.

>>quit assuming shit and trying to refute theories because of your own opinion on something extremely fucking ambiguous

But that's what the entire thread is about. OP just assumed instead of being asian, Madotsuki is going blind. It is still something extremely fucking ambiguous, but it just does't make sense to me. If it makes sense to you then fine, but you can't exactly say there's evidence to support madotsuki is blind.

 No.745

>>742
Poniko isn't Japanese and Tako is a flying squid. Poniko doesn't have the same eyes as Madotsuki and Monoe.

What's more likely, a Japanese person who speaks Japanese in Japan bought a Japanese game and played through it in Japanese becuase she's japanese or….She IMPORTED IT?! Are you guys serious?

Sure Famicoms could have been everywhere but Mother 1 was in Japanese only.

Madotsuki is Japanese.

I don't assume everyone with squinty eyes is Japanese I just assumed Madotsuki was Japanese because all the things I posted with the word Japan next to it.

Also OP's theory makes just as many assumptions. Most theories only make assumptions and have no evidence anyways. My posts are no different than OPs.

 No.746

>>745
>What's more likely, a Japanese person who speaks Japanese
She doesn't speak Japanese. It's not even officially confirmed that she's saying "dame, muri" at the door. It's just random sound.

>in Japan
No evidence.

>bought a Japanese game and played through it in Japanese becuase she's japanese or… She IMPORTED IT?! Are you guys serious?
Because IMPORTS NEVER HAPPEN! THEY DON'T EXIST! Non-Japanese people NEVER IMPORT STUFF FROM JAPAN EVAR!!!

>Also OP's theory makes just as many assumptions. Most theories only make assumptions and have no evidence anyways. My posts are no different than OPs.
>>742
>In the end this is a dead end argument
This is starting to seem like two people just fighting until they run out of steam. I think I support the non-Jap argument for right now.

 No.748

Poniko doesn't 100% have confirmed normal eyes either. While most people assume she has eyes open, including me, there is the possibility of them being tears.

 No.753

>>710
I'm being a huge fucking retard about this whole issue. I just couldn't admit I may have been wrong or other people have interpretations. I can't save myself at this point. We all enjoy yume nikki and pretty much all interpretations are interesting to read. That's all the game really is, interpretations. It's not up to me to decide what you see in a game. People see jesus in sandwiches so yeah.

 No.754

>>753
Wow. I'm actually impressed. I'll agree with you here for once instead of rustling your jimmies. Neither of us are really right, after all, this is /t/. It's all interpretation.

 No.757

>She doesn't speak Japanese. It's not even officially confirmed that she's saying "dame, muri" at the door. It's just random sound.
I'd respond to this, but it's not even officially confirmed that >>746 is saying anything. It's just random letters.

 No.765

>>757
Wow, you just had to get the last word in didn't you? I was actually surprised to see two anons just call a truce for once and you had to go and ruin it.

 No.2110

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I think Madotsuki is a LUCID dreamer and/or has a disorder that enables her to see even if she closes her eyes or blind.



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