No.2334
+4 raised by a single mother
+4 diagnosed with autism
+3 play MMORPGs
+4 diagnosed with social anxiety
+8 no facebook
23
I get eye-fucked by girls in public places
No.2339
I don't understand how you can be kissless, let alone hugless, you hunk.
Also apparently I'm zero-point normal. heh.
No.2345
+6 Friendless
+4 NEET
+4 Raised by a single mother
+3 Have a crush on a girl you don't know
+5 Shorter than 5'8"
22.
No.2347
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+6 Friendless
+4 NEET
+5 Shorter than 5'8''
+8 No facebook account
+2 Bonus
44. I truly expect to become a wizard, I don't want to relate with 3D woman.
No.2352
>>2339I don't know what to say. I'm sort of solitary.
No.2359
Does a girlfriend count as a friend, what about when you never see her because she works all the time?
+4 NEET
+4 single mom
+8 No friendface
No.2363
+3 Kissless
+1 Hugless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had gf
+7 Never had a female friend
+3 Play MMORPG's
+4 Apprentice bonus
+4 NEET
38.
[spoiler]or 24, I have sold my magic powers to a whore[/spoiler]
No.2377
0, and yet I don't know anyone who would categorize me as "normal", whatever that happens to mean in this context.
What does being beta have to do with having no hope for achieving things beta people want, zzzz.
No.2394
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend (gonna say real here, not counting LDR)
+4 NEET
+4 raised by a Single Mother
+4 Diagnosed with Social Anxiety
+8 No Facebook
+3 Play MMORPGs
+14 Apprentice Bonus
= 56 for now, 112 in nine months *crosses fingers*
No.2395
+7 Virgin
+2 Never been to a party
+4 Raised by a single mother
+4 Diagnosed with Social Anxiety
+3 Play MMoRPGs
+4 Apprentice bonus
= 24
c'mon, I wanna be a wizard so damn bad
I've already got a list of my favorite spells to prepare and everything
No.2401
why is hugless just +1? wat
me:
+7 virgin
+5 shorter than 5'8"
+3 Play MMOs
+2 bonus
I guess +9 doesn't count since I'm female and I have a bf.
only 17 points… no :(
No.2409
*F*
+7 Virgin
+5 Shorter then 5"8
+1 Apprentice bonus
Ahaha. Only 13 points; beta. Guess I'm not so NEET anymore guys, probably due mostly to starting college.
No.2415
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+3 Have a crush on a girl you don't know
+5 Shorter than 5'8''
+1 Apprentice Wizard Bonus
25
No.2416
+9 Never been in a relationship
+7 virgin
+2 Bonus
18
Well, it could be worse.
No.2419
>>2418that feeling when 3 power level
forever a bone
No.2422
55
No.2426
All of them except single mother and over 30.
No.2430
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+2 Never been to a Party
+4 NEET
+4 Diagnosed with autism
+5 Shorter than 5' 8"
+3 Plays MMORPGs [And Minecraft]
T0tal = 28
No.2432
+4 NEET
+4 social anxiety
+4 autism
+5 5'5"
Dropped out of school when i was 15. Went through shitty hospital system, but I ended up with my own house. Trying to get help for PTSD and severe anxiety and agoraphobia and all that shit.
No.2474
+28. Nothing to say about this, other than it would have been a lot higher a few years ago.
I'd be bothered by that +7, and to tell the truth I kind of am, but it's more by choice than anything else. I have no interest in women, even though they have interest in me. Too bad, girls.
No.2478
only 29, but I'm female
No.2479
29
(kissless,virgin,crush on girl I don't know,social anxiety,no fb,age is 20)
No.2532
+7 virgin
+9 never had a girlfriend
+2 never been to a party
+4 raised by single mother
+8 no facebook account
+3 play MMORPGs
+4 apprentice wizard bonus
____
37
No.2543
62. Wizard potential. A few more years and I'll be an Archmage and my house will possess an AT Field.
+1 Kissless
+1 Hugless
+6 Friendless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had gf
+7 Never had a female friend
+2 Never been to a party
+3 Have had a crush on a girl I didn't know
+3 Play MMORPGs
+4 Raised by single mother
+4 Diagnosed with SAD
+5 Shorter than 5'8
+8 No Facebook
Apprentice Bonus: +2
No.2574
+3 Play MMORPGs
fuk
Total Score: 3
No.2585
I'm not sure how one can be scoreless in this test.
Kinda forced in places to get a higher score, but still quite accurate:
KISSLESS VIRGIN +15
TFW NO GF EVER +9
NOT EVEN IN FRIENDZONES +7
RAISED BY MOM <3 +4
DIE, ZUCKERDRONES +8
WAS A TAUREN CAT DRUID WHO KILLED ARTHAS +3
BONUS: 5 YEARS LATE TO VAGOO PARTY! +5
TOTAL: 51
Do you muggles even try
No.2588
virgin +7
apprentice wizard bonus +2
+3 for MMORPG's if two games of League of Legends a week counts
so 9 or 12. Not bad. Half a year ago i used to be:
+3 kissless
+7 virgin
+9 never had a gf
+3 have a crush on a girl you don't know
+3 play mmorpgs
+1 apprentice bonus
No.2666
51… meh I'm happy
No.2702
+5 shorter than 5ft8. Dayum.
Oh well, only have 5!
No.2726
45 Thats cool.
No.2739
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+3 Have a crush on a girl you don't know
>If this stacked my score would be so much higher…
+4 apprentice wizard bonus
26
No.3103
34 point form OP pic (though when I did it before
and forgot to post it was almost 42. I lost some points fuck I know I should went with people to medieval things….
Andddd from
>>2402 pic, 39.
Of some things I am proud, of others I don't care, and of some I just don't feel able to.
So, from test, I am beta.
Well I am happy with Horo so whatever.
No.3104
Hiroshi, can I buy this toy from you?
No.3105
What does being a beta even mean? o_O
Pic 1 = 43 points
Pic 2 = 56 points
No.3128
57. Fuck me.
No.3170
Why should being under 5'8 still matter if you're a girl. Girls over 5'8 are kind of gross.
No.3171
>>2350The Knight Solaire, haha. God, I am terribly burned out on that game, but I had so much fun/agony.
I scored a 31, but why am I "worse" for not having a Facebook account? People with them usually talk about how they, like, totally never use it, they just check it, like, every half hour (and start their day with it)
Anyways, I AM OMEGA.
No.3175
>>3174Would you still elect to choose the lifestyle, if you could, as it were, make friends properly?
Not a troll.
No.3176
>>3175I still would, I enjoy it. However, liking these hobbies will not aid me in making friends easier but rather narrow it down for the interest I pursue are not that well known. I guess I should go outside more and try my best now before I start college
No.3177
If any Anon finds themselves living in Rez, sitting in their room at their computer, with their door ajar, and it's a lazy evening when from outside in the hall, you hear the voices of other floorpeople call your name. They are not moving towards your door, but stationary, hanging out together, and they're calling for you by name: how does an Anon respond?
No.3178
>>3171>I AM OMEGAShut up already Aria.
No.3195
>>3178an omega may spend time amongst alphas and betas, but alphas and betas are inherently against omegas, and thus a banding effect is created, (a+b:o).
No.3235
I don't see why not having a Facebook account is one of the highest scorers.
Just because someone doesn't give a shit about photo sharing and 'like-whoring' doesn't mean you've ascended to wizardhood.
I've met plenty of normal people in Uni who don't bother with facebook.
It's like saying you're not a gamer unless you have a blog where you bash game platforms you don't own.
No.3243
>>3233What is the device, viewable through the slots in the nearby chair, which has, on it's surface, DIALS AND KNOBS?
No.3357
>>3235I think you are taking this too seriously.
I had a girlfriend once so no wizard status for me.
No.3409
23. Definitely beta. Thanks for telling me something I already knew, internet quiz.
No.3858
49
No.5223
2.5 V
>49
No.5225
So apparently, not having a Facebook account almost considered a capital crime nowadays?
What's going on with this world?
No.5226
>>5225The really bothers me too.
Oh well, its nice being able to drop off the face of the earth because i've never had one.
No.5227
>>5226I find that thing of having a facebook disgusting, too.
No.5229
+4 NEET
+8 No Facebook account
12. Oh well, so basically because I had sex once (in a quite awkward way/place), and I'm able to communicate with females, I supposed to be somewhat normal.
But I can tell you for sure: it doesn't make any difference. I'm the same tired-of-everything NEET as the rest of you.
No.5233
>>5229Keep fueling your beta potential and become a wizzard.
No.5240
Jesus, I had no idea this board was so full of normalfags. And it's the NEET board, for fuck's sake, why are some of you not NEETs?
No.5241
>>5240I empathize with NEETs and feel like one at heart, but I don't think it's possible to live like one in my country. I'm still an asocial loser, though. I try do not participate in threads aimed specifically at NEETs, like the LGBT one or the drugs one.
>>2585Minus 8 points for getting a Facebook account. What can I say, I wanted to keep in touch with people from college and gain access to some stuff avaiable there that would help me with my studies.
That makes it 43.
No.5244
8
nice
No.5252
MMORPG and no facebook. I'm a boring 11. Grats to me
No.5269
25, not as bad as I thought.
No.5288
+4 NEET
+4 diagnosed with social anxiety
+4 autism
+5 raised by single mother
+5 shorter than 5' 8'
+3 play MMORPGs
25. You can look at me and tell I'm a loser, especially once I talk.
No.5290
17.
No facebook, social anxiety, and shorter than 5'8"
No.5312
If my parents got divorced when I was 16 do I still get the single mother bonus?
No.5316
Using the 2.5 chart
Kissless +8
Virgin +7
Never Been in a relationship +9
Never been to a party +2
Raised by a Single mother +4
Diagnosed with social anxiety +4
Apprentice bonus +3
Total = 37
>>5312No
No.5323
3 Play MMOs (Kingdom of loathing ftw)
5 - Shorter than arbitrary number
2 - Never been to a party
= 10
No.6041
Still 65 points
No.6042
+3 kissless
+7 virgin
+9 never had a girlfriend
+3 never had a best friend
+2 never been to a party
+8 no facebook account
+2 Apprentice bonus
34
No.6047
If kisses on cheeks don't count my power level is 142 otherwise it's 134. Bow down before me mortals!
No.6048
do girls become witches instead of wizards?
No.6051
>>258533 now. In a few days, it will have been a year since the first time I measured my power level.
What really makes me mad is that no matter how hard I try, I will never get below 4 points, because nothing can change the fact that I was raised by a single mother. I will never know how it is to be completely and perfectly normal, from start to finish…
That's strange. Are those… feels I feel right now?
>>6048Probably. Or sorceresses.
No.6061
>>6055>>6047 here and it feels good man! I can't understand what's wrong with people whining about their scores… too low maybe?
Am I really the only one that "disconnected" from the world and he's enjoying this lifestyle or loneliness in general?
No.6063
>>6062What's stopping you?
No.6064
>>6063Nothing. I'm just waiting.
My powerlevel is now around 40 if I'm not wrong. I just need 100 points more! Wait other 8 years and I'll be there, buddy!
No.6065
I'd say you can be lonely while still having (had) sex and visa versa. Don't think the two necessarily have anything to do with one another.
No.6075
>>6065Oh, absolutely. Whether or not someone has had sex has no bearing whatsoever on how lonely they are. Sex is simply a physical act; it doesn't magically produce feelings of contentedness and affection. All it does is make people orgasm and provide a means for making more humans. So, those of you who still have your virginity, don't feel ashamed or think you're missing out on anything. It's just glorified masturbation (unless the sex is the physical fulfillment of a deep emotional connection between two people; i.e. done out of love).
…Then again, you might want to get a second opinion from someone who isn't asexual.
No.6076
>>6075sex doesn't feel so good if you don't already have a good feeling by being with your partner. I tried it a few times but never reached orgasm because we hardly connected on anything. it was sort of like rubbing my penis in a warm, wet hole; however the bad smell and feeling of obligation to make her feel good made it unpleasant
No.6081
>>6075Second opinion from a +0 incoming -
I like to believe I have a special connection with anyone I've done sex or sex-like things with. Conversations get dead honest after sex. Sometimes I feel like, after sex, I'm seeing someone as they really are, for the first time.
Sex can be the lubricant that lets you build a relationship with someone you hardly new before. It can cure your loneliness. And it puts you on track to finding someone you love.
An aside: Finding someone you love, and then losing them when you move away due to your career? That. hurts… so much.
No.6122
>>6081Most careers aren't worth that honestly. Being alone hurts more than poverty ever will. I guess if the job pays enough to put you into the upper class of society (have enough money to fly your partner anywhere in the world, then maybe.
No.8916
In 7 years i'm gonna reach 116
No.8917
Grand total of 8.
+4 NEET
+4 Autism
No.8920
>>2427+2 more years to apprentice bonus, still pure virgin desu
so 16 now. Also I had a job in addition to school back then, now I only have school. Halfway to being a NEET…
No.8924
>>5242-12 just got Facebook and a job.
+1 to Apprentice bonus
=
21
I can feel my power slowly draining away.
No.8927
I have 44
No.8930
Update from
>>3103>>233344.
>>240252.
Slowly, slowly: I feel my powers manifesting themselves.
I can't wait to become an archmage. No.8951
30?
aw….
No.8978
I can't even succeed in being a wizard.
Neither an archmage or a normal. In the middle, belonging nowhere
No.9010
>>8978>belonging nowhereOr, secretly, to both worlds.
In failing to qualify for either, you free yourself from double-restraint. Beyond the restrictions of normal and abnormal society, you may roam the asocial wilderness neither norm nor wizkind know, and from it, view these two halves in real, honest light.
Be not blinded by the superficial glory of the normie world, and be not awed by the madness of the wizarding realm.
Bravely straddle the border and see what so few see.
True balance, true imbalance, is yours.
srry im having a mood No.11157
64
why did I do this
No.11164
61, age is 24.
My mana level is maximum.
No.11176
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+2 Never been to a party
+4 NEET
+4 Raised by a single mother
+4 Social Anxiety
+5 Short
+8 No facebook
+3 Play MMOs
40. Someday I shall be the most powerful wizard known to man
No.11177
+2 Haven't been to a real party (birthday parties don't count)
+2 Raised by a single mother for half my life.
4 Hey! It went down :3
No.11182
128
+ 60 point bonus for being a 30+ man who still lives with his parents.
Arch Mage baby!
No.11255
76
sadness covers me like a blanket
No.11256
60
It could be worse!
No.11337
+3 Kissless
+1 Hugless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+6 Friendless
+7 Never had a female friend
+3 Never had a best friend
+2 Never been to a party
+8 No Facebook account
+4 Apprentice Bonus
–
50 Total
==
63 if using
>>2402 No.11446
Is there some correlation between NEETdom and being raised by a single mother? I haven't heard of that before.
No.11451
>>11446I honestly don't know, but it does seem disadvantageous for a child to be raised by only one parent.
No.11459
>>11446Yes if she is overprotecting. The child feels not ready/too weak to confront the challenges of life and tries to extend its stay in the comfort-zone with its mother.
No.11465
+4 raised by a single mom
+3 Have a crush on a girl i dont know
+4 Social Anxiety
+4 Aspergers
15
No.11533
>>2333+3 Have had crush on a girl I didn't know
+4 NEET
+4 Diagnosed with social anxiety+3 Play MMORPG's
+4 raised by my mother mostly
—–
15
No.12108
51
No.12119
+3 kissless
+7 virgin
+9 never had a girlfriend
+4 neet
+8 no face book account(is this one that bad?)
31 i guess its not that bad.
No.12123
+3 Kissless
+7 Virgin
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+6 Friendless
+7 Never had a female friend
+3 Never had a best friend
+4 NEET
+3 Play MMORPGs
+3 From apprentice wizard bonus
Total: 45
I would probably add another 4 points for being diagnosed with social anxiety, but I've never gone to a doctor to be diagnosed.
I don't feel proud of myself.
No.12154
>So many people playing MMO(RPG)'s
What do you play tho?
No.12156
>>12154I've been enjoying a lot of Guild Wars 2 recently. I like how I don't have to depend on a static group and can spontaneously join things.
Not to mention the game is a beautiful exploration game.
No.12162
>>12156Ugh, how do you stand that game? The lacking of endgame content really turns me off… After I got to level 80 it just got so boring I needed to quit.
Is it just grind for ascended gear and a legendary to get 5% damage/stat increase?
No.12168
>>12154I'm going to dive head first into ArcheAge which just launched yesterday. The beta was a lot of fun, the world feels more engaging than most and the sandbox and naval combat elements have me interested. Other than that I've played around in RIFT lately but kinda realized that I'm getting bored of theme park MMORPGs, and RIFT is the theme parkiest. I'm also starting to get into Path of Exile again and it's more fun than ever.
If you can think of a F2P MMO there's a good chance I've played it. No neetbux for the bought or P2P ones though
No.12171
>>12168Oh yeah and trading in ArcheAge. I love trading games so it's cool to see it in an MMORPG
No.12179
>>12162Honestly I play it like an exploration game so I am not bothered by lack of end-game.
No.12344
>>2402
> 69I'm kinda glad. :^)
No.12345
+4 NEET
+3 Have crush one somebody i don't know
+5 shorter than 5'8
+8 no facebook
+3 play mmos
23, yep im beta
No.14357
necrobump because I'm working at a job I hate where the web blocking software blocks all other chans but this one.
+8 no facebook account (no social media at all actually)
+7 never had a female friend
+7 virgin
+6 friendless
+6 friendless for more than 5 years
+5 Shorter than 5'8 (5'6 manletrace)
+3 never had a best friend
+3 play mmorpgs (archeage, wow, everquest 1)
x2 power multiplier for being 34 years old
45x2=90
I'm doomed bros.
No.14359
Beta is defined by attitude, not actions.
No.14362
>>14359Your attitude makes you take certain actions and don't even consider other ways.
If your attitude is "beta" it's less than likely that you will try some "action" like trying to hook up someone, isn't it?
Edited because I phrased it like shit. Twice. No.14363
>>14361
The last part is still completely unintelligible. While attitude has influence over actions, actions are not taken as a result of a specific attitude. I choose not to have a facebook because it's a vapid, puerile cirlcejerk where everyone tries as hard as they possibly can all the time in a formulaic and tiresome way. Does that mean I'm going to be a submissive little bitch any time I interact with someone who has a flesh gash between their legs?
Beta is defined entirely as a specific attitude towards women. It's possible to have a massive score while not exhibiting a single beta trait.
No.14364
>>14362It's also possible to have a 0 while being an absolutely raging beta. The score is reflective of how dependent you are on socialization for gratification and how likely you are to conform to social expectations. Someone can be completely retarded and still successful simply because they relentlessly seek attention and membership of as many social circles as possible. That success is attributable to the sheer volume of people they're getting exposure to, not any inherent traits or attitudes.
No.14365
>>14364>While attitude has influence over actions, actions are not taken as a result of a specific attitude. I choose not to have a facebook because it's a vapid, puerile cirlcejerk where everyone tries as hard as they possibly can all the time in a formulaic and tiresome way. Does that mean I'm going to be a submissive little bitch any time I interact with someone who has a flesh gash between their legs?Your action is that you don't have a facebook because it's shit, which was defined by your attitude about socialization. How does it prove that your action is not a result of your attitude?
>It's also possible to have a 0 while being an absolutely raging betaSo, somebody who is beta and doesn't want any attention and keeps away from all social contact suddenly has a facebook, relationships, friends, etc.? (Or any of the things that won't give you points in these charts).
I understand your point, but you're taking it way too away from reality here.
Back to the "attitude won't make actions", my point is that a certain "attitude" is a behaviour, and that said behaviour defines the actions the individual will take in determined situations. Just as you can't be a suicidal person if you're not sad/depressed/emotionally damaged, it isn't likely that a "beta" will have traits that are common in "non-betas", like relationships, friends, social interaction, etc.
Let's say that you can't have any actions without attitude, but that equally means that if you have an attitude, exactly because of that, you will tend to perform certain actions which reflects your point of view in the situation (In this case, they're shown in these charts as some of the most common traits "betas" tend to have. This chart isn't meant to be taken seriously, more like a joke about powerlevel).
Of course there are exeptions, to all, but that's to be expected.
>The score is reflective of how dependent you are on socialization for gratification and how likely you are to conform to social expectations.>how dependent you are on socialization for gratificationWhat? Where is that stated? Not all relationships (either lovers or friends) are for personal gratification as to brag about "How cool I am". That's toxic. I agree that that is disgusting but that isn't a rule or something, or at least that's what I want to believe.
No.14366
>>14365>you don't have a facebook because it's shit, which was defined by your attitude about socializationI don't have a facebook because facebook is shit, not because of a specific and prevailing attitude about engaging in social activities. My argument is that people can engage in the same action for differing reasons. Your argument is that actions can be mapped one-to-one, in a completely unambiguous way to singular motivations and worldviews. That's absurd.
>who is beta and doesn't want any attentionBetas are often desperate for attention. You're mistakenly confusing introversion for being a beta, which is reflective of your misunderstanding of the original concept. Like any popular conception, it is doomed to misuse and dilution. However, this doesn't render its original definition null. I'll state this only once more; beta is defined by a mindset towards women - it has nothing to do with being socially apathetic or holding a preference for solitary activities.
>Not all relationships (either lovers or friends) are for personal gratification as to brag about "How cool I am"I'd go as far to state that every relationship between people under the age of 30 has been undertaken for exactly those reasons. Recreational sex is a part of it, but most people just do it because they want to be perceived as normal. That dependance on other people for constant legitimation is far more beta than choosing to abstain from it all.
No.14367
>>14365>you can't be a suicidal person if you're not sad/depressed/emotionally damagedAgain, that's superficial and ultimately erroneous to state. I've entertained suicide on multiple occasions with the driving motivation being the totally arbitrary and valueless nature of human existence. This was when I was much younger and have now settled into a state of cheerful indifference where I don't see nonexistence being inherently preferable to existence. It's very easy to try and simplify people's motivations and actions into this convenient attitude system but nothing is simple enough reduce in that way.
http://m.friendfeed-media.com/2da79442231982a471aa37bbdcf283d9f092ea87 No.14370
>>14369>Think about it like a game of chess. Does every decision in a game stem from some emotionally driven, fixed set of beliefs towards something?I could argue that, since after all, you make your moves based on what you think is the best decision to win the game, and that could be a hunch, which is some emotional drive which leds you towards what you think is the best move, or it could also be 100% logical, based in some planned strategy.
Said decision could be going for a plan full defensive, aggressive, both, passive, etc. There is no limit to that. But each individual has a "main" attitude, or behaviour, which may or may not change. And regardless of that, not everyone is cut off to play chess, just as some people isn't cut to be social butterflies or "get out and live your life" (as most of people somehow seem to believe).
If that people aren't experienced in this, or aren't even interested, you get people who don't enjoy chess and try to keep themselves away from it. The reason could be their "attitude", but it doesn't really matter in the end if it is reflected in their actions.
Either way, I get your point. I never said human behaviour is simple, I only said it's one of the main things that led our life. They change over time, they adapt over time, they're not always the same. Mono no aware yo.
But they still define us, and we tend to repeat some actions based on what we believe is how we should act like/live our life.
>Surely human behavior is more complex than everyone just liking or disliking things and taking ridiculously polarized stances towards everything.But I never stated or implied something that. If I thought that way I wouldn't be discussing evangelion-tier topics on an almost dead chan in the internet, and it would also be impossible for me to agree with you on the points you raiced in your posts.
My thought is that an action is a byproduct of your attitude towards the situation you're facing + the situation itself. You may not want to leave your house or room because you're scared of doing so, but if there's suddenly an earthquake, it's a possibility that you may run away even when it goes against your main behaviour of "this place is my safe site and I won't leave it". And vice-versa, you may enjoy doing things you normally wouldn't because you want to experience new things. And so with thousands of cases.
What the fuck are we discussing, again?
I thought this thread was to cirlejerk about being wizard apprentices. Shit man, how did I even get here. Either way, I'm too tired to continue arguing.
Good discussion anon, good luck in whatever you're doing. It's nice to see there's still people around here.
No.14371
>>14370When you take a dump, do you do it because you feel you are guided by some lofty vision or ideal? Seriously just read into some basic psychology. We're just warm blooded mammals that have deluded ourselves into believing we posses some level of sentience. People are fucking apes reacting blindly to anything that provokes fear, just look around you.
Spontaneous philosophical discussions on obscure, dead imageboards are my fetish No.14373
>>14371>Spontaneous philosophical discussions on obscure, dead imageboards are my fetishWhat a waste of time.
>>14359>Beta is defined by attitude, not actions.You know what they say: we are not wolves. We should really stop using "beta" as a shorthand for a more specific set of traits.
What do we mean by "beta", anyway? Submissive, meek, gentle?
Because if so, then I'd argue that these character traits have little to do with one's "power level". Your degree of being a fucking loser is defined by your actions, not character. For instance, spending lots of time on image boards is one such good indication.
And we've been through this countless times before. That is the kind of stuff "Wizards" discuss on a daily basis, either to distract themselves from actions they need to take or in a misguided attempt to get support from random people on the internet.
No.14377
"Beta" is honestly kind of a dumb label, but people do on a deep level look down on those they perceive as weak and not secure in themselves. And honestly, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. If you don't respect yourself, you certainly don't deserve the respect of others; conversely, trying to pretend you respect someone you don't and ought not to is patronizing them as if they were a child that really can't do any better. Which pretty much everyone actually can, really, and the second you start denying that ability in yourself is when you start being truly lost.
I think it has less to do with looking good and focusing on getting chicks or whatever as people seem to think, too, it just has to do with attitude more than anything else.
No.14378
>>14377I do not grasp the concept of respect. How do you decide that someone has respect for themselves and that the standards that they apply to confer self-respect are well founded? There are mental illnesses that render people in a perpetual state of mania - do you consider these people respectable because they are incapable of not "respecting" themselves?
The concept is entirely meaningless and silly. How can you infer from a persons actions what their total self relationship is? How do certain actions retain precise meanings? Nothing makes any sense.
No.14379
>>14378People are able to tell almost instinctually whether another person has confidence and respect for themselves, or at least they can certainly pick up on whether they seem to. That's where attitude comes in.
As for your second question, well, sociopaths and people with sociopathic tendencies, those that tend to value others little, do in fact often seem to make it far in the business world. There's a reason that the sociopath is said to have a lot of superficial charm. Because they're genuinely that manically certain of themselves, and unworried about others.
Yeah, it doesn't make a ton of sense. A lot of human behavior doesn't.
No.14380
>>14379>are able to tell almost instinctuallyA feeling isn't a substitute for a framework. In the absence of a well defined and consistent set of relations, there is no underlying meaning. The "instinct" you refer to can be reduced to a response that is generated from very specific pieces of environmental information. Body language, tonality, social relationships, etc - there is overlap amongst many of these variables and the result is less than analytical. It's more of a "I like this person" result, which is absolutely worthless and indicates nothing about the subject's mental state or cognitive properties.
None of this even begins to address the underlying issue. People's values and ambitions differ, which leads to the unskilled and inept being supremely confident of very little. This is why it's meaningless to "respect" someone because they "respect" themselves - that self respect is never sufficient because there's no shared value framework from which all human's assess themselves by. What happens when there are no values or goals a person person decides are worthwhile to pursue?
>sociopaths and people with sociopathic tendenciesIt's not just sociopaths or strictly people suffering from personality disorders. Anyone can be conditioned to behave in a way that projects this impression - there are just some people who are naturally disposed to it, without actually assessing what properties they have that would merit such behavior. It's less about people actually possessing qualities that merit self-respect than it is people realizing the heuristic is effective for influencing others and behaving in a "self-respecting" way regardless.
No.14381
>>14357 here
You know what, I love this chan. Since my post an actual decent conversation has come out of the thread, rather than 'HURR DURR UR A FAGET *flings shit*' that you'd normally see on 4chan.
I think I'll stay.
No.14383
>>14381Ubuu is great for discussion and we generally try to share our points of views instead of shoving 'em into other anon's cunts.
It was better in the past, we had a lot of debate about a lot of things, both serious stuff and shit for gigles, but the majority of the userbase left for some reason. Now most of the users that populate this place are people who enjoy quite chans and/or people attached to this site.
It's really appealing if you enjoy calm boards, the only con being that we have periods where we don't have much activity for a few days.
No.14384
>>14383or periods where we just have a series of shitstorms >_>
No.14386
>>14380I think most people who are able to act in that way aren't exactly aware of it or the how and why of it. Not many people seem to be, which is why you have so many shitty explanations for the why and how of it like the whole alpha/beta thing.
Your explanation doesn't explain much either. People's values and ambitions differ, those who don't have set interests and ambitions seeming less attractive, etc, etc.. It doesn't even have to do totally with having interests outside yourself that you pursue, it's about SELF-interest. Again, there's a reason that a lot of those who are able to take this and run with it fairly effectively are those that really don't have interest in much other tan themselves.
I also don't see why it's meaningless to respect or not respect someone by your own values or your own natural tendency to react just because there's no species-wide framework. Individual personality and culture is good for a little, and I bet that's part of what it is useful for.
No.14387
>>14383>>14381Anon who's arguing with original anon here. I'd become really fucking disillusioned with this before starting this, just because most of the people who post tend to come off as meanspirited, the one trip left who consistently posts is fairly bitchy-seeming, and all that. Most of the people I liked are no longer here or I've alienated. But yeah, this is pretty nice actually.
No.14389
>>14387>Anon who's arguing with original anon here.If by "original anon" you mean this post's anon
>>14362 , it's actually who you're quoting right now lol.
>I'd become really fucking disillusioned with this before starting this, just because most of the people who post tend to come off as meanspirited,Nah, I don't know if you were here before of 2012, but anons were harsher, though debate was really nice back then too.
Actually, everybody was harsh because we knew we were just making some noise and venting a bit, nothing serious. It was pretty fun overall.
>the one trip left who consistently posts is fairly bitchy-seeming, and all that.>trip>bitchy-seemingThe definition of an average tripfag. Just ignore the attention whore.
>Most of the people I liked are no longer here or I've alienated. But yeah, this is pretty nice actually.Oh, yeah, it's a shame people left, but even if ubuu is calmer and we don't have too much activity now, it's still a very nice place to visit daily. At least it is for me.
No.14390
The thing is that some/many recognized users don't always post with their names. I am a recognized user and I've been posting under anon quite a bit.
Also, nice "boss" picture. I wonder where you found that one :P
jk.
No.14392
>>14391*wink*
I am actually not as involved in posting as I'd like to be. I will be posting more in the future; and I should have a lot more time once summer rolls around.
Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to attack you or anything pointing out the picture. I was just thinking how proud I was that the picture started circulating so quickly. :')
No.14394
>>14389Eh, I just meant who I was replying to those last couple posts. I have a headcold, feel like I got a military surplus blanket on my brain. Don't feel like trying to follow the thread this moment.
I think 2012/3 was around when I started lurking a lot, actually, maybe a bit before. People did vent but there seemed to be a sort of camaraderie that's lost now.
.. Maybe that's partly me projecting.
Do any of you know the feeling of trying to convince your brain someone isn't worth caring about and consistently failing, even though they haven't exactly been great to you? And then, maybe as a coping mechanism, realizing that probably half the people you know don't really give a shit about you, and a good share of them don't interest you anyway? And not knowing where to go or what to do in response to that?
Sorry for the rambling.
No.14397
>>14394Did you mean my entire life >_>
I get you 110%.
No.14400
Why did this turn into a circlejerk? I'll just revert to not posting if everyone's gonna gay-out the second it appears the site has activity.
>>14386>most people who are able to act in that way aren't exactly aware of itI completely disagree. It's something that out of necessity is intellectualized but over time becomes effortless. People who regularly engage in socialization don't have to make any conscious effort because they can process everything unconsciously. Just because it's being processed at that level doesn't mean the activity is without its nuances.
How do you explain the mountains of self help material and literal academic fields that surround the topic? Clearly being able to influence other people is going to be a subject of interest for every existing human.
>those who don't have set interests and ambitions seeming less attractiveI don't understand what you're saying here.
>it's about SELF-interestSo, we've returned to this idea that narcissists and people who apply infantile defense mechanisms are the pinnacle of "respectability"? Just play some online games and see the volume of hate mail you receive - these are the same mechanisms that drive people into a state of complacency.
>don't see why it's meaningless to respect or not respect someone by your own valuesRelativism pretty much negates the whole process. It's obviously not going to be a widespread position, but I don't acknowledge the concept of value as something that has physical inherency. I'm only carrying on this discussion because it's apparent that others don't share that metaphysical position.
No.14405
>>14397Haha, whooo.
SHARE YOUR WOES ANON.
>>14400Feel free to if you want, you haven't really shifted my opinion much.
All those self-help books exist and continue to be written at such a rate and in such variety BECAUSE of exactly what I said. Those who assume a posture of confidence often do so subconsciously. Maybe they're aware of it on some level, but part of the reason so many people are so fundamentally unable to do so is precisely because it's not something that you affect purely by telling yourself you have to. It's a mental attitude, and it's one that requires training to apply.
I didn't say there isn't nuance to it, I just said a lot of those who have it don't seem aware they do, don't seem aware acting in any other way would be a problem. And maybe they are, but the point is that it's a habit more than anything else
*seem
Hah, sorry, and that's one of a few typos there isn't it? Should probably get in the habit of actually bothering to proofread.
What infantile self-defense mechanism?
What you describe seems more like a function of plain insecurity than anything else, which is actually kind of the opposite of what I was trying to describe.
Yeah, it's not a concept with set physical properties and worth, it's a psychological one. Value in general is largely a psychological one. The only time it isn't is when it's purely driven by the need to sustain life itself or the security of yourself or those around you, and even then it tends to be processed in pretty relative, personal terms. I don't know how that does or should change anything.
MEANING is primarily a psychological concept anon, fuck.
No.14406
>>14405>posture of confidenceAgain, we're still using terms that hold no definition. If you can't articulate a set of characteristics that universally identify someone as "being confident", no such classification exists. I still have absolutely no comprehension of what this could mean, as I don't look to the physicality of a person's behavior to asses the intellectual merits of what they are expressing. Are there magnitudes of confidence? Are certain hand gestures more confident than certain tonalities? How do you systematically measure the degree of confidence of an action and the holistic confidence level of the person engaging in said action?
>What infantile self-defense mechanism?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control#Attributional_stylehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_%28making_excuses%29http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionAll evidence would suggest that being "spontaneously" confident manifests most strongly in individuals with the least sophisticated and analytical psychological makeup. If you're unable to simultaneously perceive limitations and implications of what you're saying while considering all competing alternative, you might be disposed to more readily mistaking your thoughts for being significant. Confidence is proud error.
>not a concept with set physical properties and worth, it's a psychological onePsychological processes are physical processes. Whether or not your own subjective rendering of reality might lead you to mentally construct objects of value, the physical processes that constitute this operate with no such concept.
No.14407
>Confidence is proud error.
Which really is the mark of success in the world we live in. It Always cracks me up when people treat sensitivity, depth and emotional complexity as if they were values priori. Anything that makes everyday life easier is a quality, everything that makes it harder is a flaw. Period.
No.14408
>>14407Absolutely. Which is what I was trying to get across talking about psychotically concepts. Easier, harder, better, worse, meaning, confidence, even that perceived error, that's all down to human view.
That doesn't mean they aren't important and don't have value (value also being something wholly subjective, after all). If you're willing to believe they don't just because you can't prove they do in a concrete manner, I really don't see what your point in living would be, much less in bothering to argue with strangers.
No.14409
>>14408*psychological
Haha, really do need to get into that habit. Oh well, at least it was a typo which was oddly relevant to an earlier part of this.
No.14411
>>2407Normalfag
I'm 41. I'll be a wizard one day.
No.14428
+7 Virgin
+2 Never been to a party
+8 No facebook account (this one shouldn't count, facebook is dead)
Apprentice Wizard Bonus
+5 (age 21 - 16)
Powerlevel 22. Being a virgin is really not as big a deal as this list makes it out to be, probably should be a +5 max.
No.14444
+4 NEET
+4 raised by a single mother
Got psychiatric diagnoses that aren't social anxiety and autism though.
No.16438
150, i'm surprised i can go higher.
As soon as Vasalgel is on the market i will change class to a semen demon.
No.16439
>>2333+3 Kissless
+9 Never had a girlfriend
+3 Have a crush on a girl you don't know
+7 Virgin
+3 Play MMO's
= 25
No.16440
Is that time again?
>>233346
>>240258
Good, good, it keeps raising. I can't wait until I become an archmage.
No.16441
This thread proves how normie this board is.
No.16443
62
Oh well.
No.16445
whoops 4
No.16454
45
welp
No.16462
>>2422all right, was a total of 55 years ago now it's…
35
No.16469
>>16462Nice! What'd you strike off?
No.16471
>>16462Fucking your imaginary friend doesn't count.
No.16476
>>16469Dated a real 3D girl and stuff
