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 No.14067

So are there any NEETs out there self-teaching Moon Runes(or other languages, for that matter)?
What methods do you use and how do you stay motivated to study??? Please share :)

 No.14069

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I'm teaching myself Japanese and sometimes French and Finnish.

The most motivational thing for me is probably AJATT.
>http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/

I linked someone else to a site called Uz-Translations, it's very good. It's got downloads of thousands of textbooks, audio courses, grammar books, basically everything.
And beyond that, I subscribe to some learning blogs written by native speakers, and read them when I'm too lazy to study harder.

Anki, the flashcard system, is good. If you just peck at it a little each day, you'll make a lot of progress, and feel good about it, too.

And then there's searching for media in the target language. I'm currently basically downloading the entire Aichuun website, since it's got a lot of at least okay Japanese pop music in one place.
I also listen to Japanese news TV and radio shows in the background when I'm doing other stuff.

And as regards writing, especially kanji - I find it really dull to write the kanji out a lot, and I remember reading somewhere that you really only need to write a kanji two or three times each time you come upon it to remember it. So, instead, what I do is I write it until I have the stroke order learned, and after that, I only search for it on the Yamasa dictionary, since they provide handwritten examples. I practice the handwritten example, so that when I ever go to Japan, I can write lazy kanji like a mature adult, and not full, careful kanji like a retarded child.

You can also browse sites like JDIC or Jisho.org. I read in a book by a woman who spoke many languages, that the first thing she did was read a dictionary in her native and her target language. If you find an interesting word or concept, it can be fun to see how Japanese (or your target language) breaks it down.
I have a habit of picking a word, kanji, or concept I like, and copying all related examples of it in the dictionary into a new Anki deck, which I look at, but do not seriously study, when I am very bored and don't want to work. It can be a good way to tide yourself over.

There's also actually reading material in the language. Pick a topic you LOVE, and find shit on it. I don't believe in horoscopes, but I'm fascinated with them anyways, so I'm currently working through a site in Japanese about fortune-telling. It doesn't feel like work, because I enjoy reading on the subject, even if slowly.

Also, download Rikaichan, if your browser can handle it. It's the best. When you get further along in your studies, try not to use it like a crutch though. But for beginners, it's a godsend.

 No.14072

DJT's in /a/ have everything you need.

 No.14073

I'm trying to get to the point where I can watch anime without subtitles. I'm not to the point where I can figure out the context of some sentences, but I'm coming along.

I also studied French in the past. I should get back to that since it's a fairly useful skill.

Recently I've been using Duolingo for French and Tae Kim's grammar guide for Japanese.

 No.14074

I'm learning japanese. I basically just read vns for practice. I use a texthooker to copy everything and rikaisama to get definitions. I'm really lazy though… it's been about a week since I last studied. I hope the motivation comes back soon.

 No.14077

>>14069
Where do you watch Japanese TV?

 No.14079

>>14077
There's a nifty program called KeyHoleTV that lets you watch quite a few streams of Japanese television.

I would link you to some sites, but it seems like in the time I wasn't using them, they've become fucking useless.

 No.14080

>>14079
Wait, scratch that. I just remembered why I don't have KeyHoleTV anymore. It's awful.

You're kind of on your own here. I mostly watch NicoNico streams and browse individual news vids and stuff now.

 No.14081


 No.14082

Im trying to learn russian, the language is fairly easy but the alphabet with the similar characters to ours but different pronanunciations makes it bit confusing at times.

 No.14083

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>>14072
This is correct. The Daily Japanese Threads on /a/ have a massive list of resources, but I personally suggest you start with Namasensei. Some of his handwriting is rough, and his stroke order isn't always correct, so you should supplement his lessons with Wikipedia or something that shows correct stroke order. Use Nama's lessons to learn the Kana (Hiragana and Katakana), and ignore his grammar lessons since you'll find better ones in the /a/ resources list.

Namansensei is a great motivator and he's funny, on top of just being a cool guy in general. He's a great entry point into your moonrunes. Expect to write a lot. It really does help it stick.

Here's Nama's first lesson video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE

 No.14084

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>>14069
Thanks for the write-up. Reading AJATT is pretty motivational, especially now that I'm kind of in a slump. Uz-Translations I'd never heard of, but I just ordered a bunch of paperbooks since I don't like working on the computer that much (I become easily distracted). But still, a great resource to check out books that I'm considering to purchase.

As for material I like,there's more then enough but most of it is way beyond my skill level, it burns me out when I have to look up every single word. So if anyone has any recommendations for easy reading material, I'd appreciate it, too.

>>14073
>>14082
If I ever succeed in learning Japanese I want to learn French or Russion too, hehhhhh.

 No.14085

>>14084
I've heard you can play old pokemon games to help you learn some words here and there, because they don't use kanji.

 No.14086

>>14083
"Kanpai, you bitches" was, uhh, certainly an interesting start. Does he go beyond the kana's and teach kanji? Well, I'll check it out anyways, /a/, too.

>>14085
Mother 1+2 for Gameboy Advance is like this too. Guess I'll pick it up again. The lack of spaces in the text makes is hard to figure out sometimes though.

 No.14087

>>14082

Cyrillic is based on Greek. It's easy enough for me, but I've also been literate in it for almost 10 years.

 No.14088

>>14086
I'm not sure how much kanji he teaches, but I think he does teach a little bit. I lost motivation before I got to kanji though, so I never checked.

 No.14089

>>14083
I disagree with using namasensei. You can learn the kana much faster on realkana, and if you need motivation to learn you can't learn japanese.

 No.14090

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For anyone who wants to learn japanese…

 No.14091

>>14089
A lack of motivation is prevalent for a lot of people here. Namasensei is great for motivating you, and he teaches you how the kana sound (albeit not a hard thing to grasp)in addition to how to write them. You don't have to use Nama, but he's a good entry point into the language.

If you need or want to learn as quickly as possible he might not be the optimal choice, but if you want to take your time then he's a good option, although you can honestly learn from him at the pace you choose, it's only as slow as you will it.

 No.14092

For those wanting to practice how write kana, I found this thing
http://www.sayjack.com/japanese/kanji/character/%E9%83%B7/
It doesn't teach how to, it only asks you to write it so other people know how it is supposed to be written based in strike order.
However, it's seems like an entertaining way to practice for those lazy to pick up a pen and paper.

 No.14093

>>14092
>For those wanting to practice how write kana, I found this thing
I mean kanji, not kana.

 No.14094

>>14089
>if you need motivation to learn you can't learn japanese

This is astoundingly wrong.

 No.14095

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 No.14096

Why do you want to learn Japenis? Learn chinese, it's useful.

 No.14097

>>14096
China doesn't make the anime, manga, VN and other games

 No.14099

>>14097
>China doesn't make the anime,
Wrong
>manga
point taken
>VN
wrong
>and other games
wrong.

 No.14102

>>14094
Not really. Language learning is a long process. You can just ride through years of study through motivation, there has to be some other motive.

 No.14103

>>14094

Not in the slightest. It's one of the first things most teachers or programs (that are worth a shit) will tell you even… instead of wasting your time and money.

You need to be truly driven to learn a new language. You aren't going to get through it without like you do with your shitty highschool education.

 No.14133

Someone made a post about NHK World (NHK's international service) in /2/ and I noticed that they have some resources for learning Japanese on their website. Their lessons are in English and 16 other languages.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/lesson/

 No.14147

My brother took four years of Japanese in college, but at home he used (pirated) Rosetta Stone for practice/repetition, and said that it helped. A lot of the (legal) free stuff posted here has pretty much the same content though.

If you're learning a language, repeated practical use helps A TON. Even if you're not a homebound NEET, it's hard to find any way to practice speaking Japanese. Don't skimp on the flash cards and shit, it really helps!

I took Spanish all through high school and aced the AP test. The only time I regularly use it is playing Dota2 with spanish speakers so my vocabulary has dwindled to a bunch of shit that is useless in real life. Use it or lose it!

 No.14185

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I've been working on esperanto for about 2 or three months

I just try and make it a habit that I don't even think about, I go through an anki deck and a section of a textbook a day, I really don't need that motivation, because I've done it so long that I don't even think about it, and I really have nothing else to do either

Anki is a pretty good flashcard program, I've also heard memrise and memosyne(mispelled I'm sure) were also good, but I've not used them.

pic is my anki graph thing showing my progress

 No.14206

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>YOU CAN'T
>INSUFFICIENT MOTIVATION
>etc.

Language-learning is a long, sometimes daunting, process, but that's it. It's not rocket science. It's not surgery. Dumbass idiot toddlers who can barely walk do it. Stupid moron children everywhere with feeble hand-eye coordination and barely any concept of self do it. You've already done it once. If you're not super-duper motivated, then you're not going to learn very quickly, but that doesn't really matter since nobody here is on some kind of death-penalty time limit. Slow learning is still learning. Yukkuri shiteitte ne, anons.

 No.14208

>>14185
Also, nice progress.
I can't get my shit together and study Anki regularly, myself.
Keep up the good work lol.

 No.14209

>>14206

>trying to compare learning a language as a child to learning a language as an adult

>implying that aging does not noticeably impair one's ability to learn a new language

Haha wooooow dude

>"Slow learning is still learning"


Sure, if you're okay with years of learning just to be able to decipher simple sentences. It definitely helps if you'd like to get some workable knowledge out of your effort in a reasonable amount of time, though.

 No.14210

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>>14209
>implying that aging does not noticeably impair one's ability to learn a new language
Most of that was just wild encouragement, but fine.
So far, the only thing I've really seen on the subject is that an adult will never be perfectly native level. Which I don't see anyone here saying they are going to die if they never attain???

>Sure, if you're okay with years of learning just to be able to decipher simple sentences. It definitely helps if you'd like to get some workable knowledge out of your effort in a reasonable amount of time, though.

I'm not arguing against studying hard and making rapid progress. I'm just annoyed when people argue against anyone doing anything but that. We're not all going to die tomorrow. Japan isn't sinking into the ocean that fast. If you can't stand not being able to do everything right now, that must be great for you, I don't care.


>you can't

>but what if
>no you can't
>okay but what if
>NO YOU CAN'T
This is why we can't have nice things.

 No.14211

>>14209

It's because of people like this that nothing good ever gets done nowadays.

 No.14212

>>14209
>Sure, if you're okay with years of learning just to be able to decipher simple sentences.
It takes time. I've been learning English as a non-native for over 15 years and I've come to accept that I'll never be anywhere as good at it as a native, but… it is said that the time it takes to learn your nth language takes about (n-1)/2, so half the time it took you to learn your previous one.

All human languages are similar on some base level, and while Japanese is unlike any language I've had experience with so far, if only because of its use of syllabaries instead of an alphabet, I'm sure its grammar is not that hard once you learn most of the characters. Then, of course, you'll need plenty of time spent on listening exercises in order to be able to understand spoken language. As always, lots of practice is the key to mastery.

In fact, this thread might have motivated me to try learning Japanese. Thank you, Ubuu!

 No.14213

>>14209
>Excuses to be a plant

 No.14214

>>14209
DON'T LET IT PUT YOU OFF

 No.14215

On another note, Jisho's interface/display has just gone full retard, so if someone has a different online Japanese dictionary that they like, I would love a link to it.

 No.14221

Also, the /jp/ stick probably already has it, but:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=529712&showfiles=1

 No.14222

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>>14215
You weren't lying about the "full retard" part. GOOD GOD.

 No.14243

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How is your handwriting doing, guys?

 No.14244

>>14243
I haven't held a pen in 5 years. I'd be surprised if i can still even scribble.

 No.14245

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>>14208
Thank you very much

I'm still trying to get in the habit of reading a chapter of the book a day, so I'm still trying really hard not to forget to do that.

I think that I understated the power of having nothing to do. It really is one of the only things I do to stave off bordom, that and pic relted

 No.14260

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>>14244
Oekaki is just right there, you don't necessarily need to write it with a pen in paper. By the way, I usually write and mine is still shitty.

Aren't there any more people practicing handwritten kanji?

 No.14786

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 No.14789

>>14221

>0 seeder


That helps a lot Anon. Arigato



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