/n/ - NEET

Yeah. I was in the welfare office the other day and they had work propaganda blasting from the TVs. There was a woman in her fifties on the disability pension interviewed on there. She was talking about how returning to part time work had given her back her self-worth. The whole thing seemed kind of sick to me — as if we should be happy that this woman derives her whole purpose in life from menial labour.
If work wasn't "good for society" an outlook like that would be seen as something to talk to your psychologist about. So anyway, I feel happy that I got over that mindset fairly early in life. I remember I had a job at 15, essentially out of peer/parental pressure. Everyone else my age was getting part time jobs and my parents kept talking about it. I worked for a little over two years moving stock and serving customers after school. I didn't like it but I stayed for so long because that was just what you did. Then I quit ostensibly to focus on my final year of school.
It was around that time that I came to escape the mental bond of defining yourself by your work. I also began to look more objectively at how pointless most work is. I think it's sad that most people (like the lady on the television) never reach this point in their whole life. I haven't worked in seven years and I couldn't be happier about it.
This has probably already been posted here (maybe even by me) but anyway, it's nice to see that more people are catching on:
http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

If I don't work, I can't pay rent/bills. If I can't pay rent/bills, I die.

So I work.

>>13671
I found a picture for you

Either way, I am lucky to be able to feed myself and have a roof over my head without having to work right now, but I want to go back to that or studying because, well, it's something to do. Doing things for myself and others beats sitting on my ass and being depressed any day. I would get exhausted easily and was physically unable to work, but it's getting better now so I have hopes for a change. It's been almost 6 years already.

>>13671
Y'know I read Player Piano recently and it made me think about this. It is kinda sad in a sense that a lot of people derive their self-worth from work, but really, only because that work increasingly goes to things that barely have any value to the person, just to helping some larger system. Oh, and most people really don't consider there being any sort of personal point to life beyond basic drives, so caring about that is kind of dumb. What's even more dumb is thinking you have to be a total fucking leech to be able to pursue your own meaning, and that those are mutually exclusive. NEETs use that to justify themselves a lot and it's kind of laughable.

>>13673
>>13675
No bullying, I agree with that anon 100%

I guess that Im glad being able to live this way. I never even finished middle school and my crippling paranoia and social anxiety wont let me get a job.

Im worried for when I cant do it anymore though

>>13676
On the off chance that you're not actually a samefag, you're an elitist cunt, hopefully you're not over 16 yet

>>13675
Fuck off.

How can any rational person still assume that 90% of work done is actually useful or even needed today.
Just stacking bullshit to stack more bullshit.

Most of the so called work only serves short sighted goons to fight each other over utterly needless stuff and screw over people at every corner when cooperation would get people much further.

Just take one peak around you on this world and tell me what people work for.
Thats right self rightious bullshit that nobody needs and ofcourse most of the real useful actual work force needed goes into sustaining said needless parasite economy.

While useless degenerate millionaire elites sit on money that could be used for worthwhile purposes.

The problem is people are too scared to admit that they have to think and work for themselfs.

Ofcourse its not the result of conscious masterminds who try to take control of the world but the unaware collective result of little insecure people who try their hardest to convince themselfs and others of their own non existing importance and that do not realize the consequences of their actions.

>>13682
have you ever considered that some people work because, you know, they actually like it and want to do it?

This reminds me of people talking about exercise like it's torture and self deprivation when it's therapy for some people.

Preferences are a thing in this world, and not everything is a big conspiracy anon.

>>13683
> have you ever considered that some people work because, you know, they actually like it and want to do it?

Yes, but this even more of a point against the case of working.
Surely the quality of workforce would increase if people were not forced to do it.
People could appreciate more the imporatance of said persons and said persons would be of higher value.

And i really think that most people do not enjoy their work at all, even if on a unaware level.

But in todays world everyone tries to force everything down everyones throat, then again when has this been truly different.

> Preferences are a thing in this world, and not everything is a big conspiracy anon.
Read again, thats my point.
If there was a conspiracy then things would run much more smoothly in this world.
For good or for bad depending on your viewpoint.

>>13684
How high are you? This reads like some delusional mantra

>>13685
Maybe you should get back to your shift at mcDonalds, those chicken nuggets wont distribute themselfs you know.

>>13673
I don't even know how that was edgy. I didn't mean to come off like I was judging the lady being interviewed or anything. If you like work then do what you want. I don't think she liked work in and of itself though. If she did she would be talking about what she liked about her job, not self worth. It was probably scripted anyway so it's not even relevant.

>>13675
Not all NEET justify themselves but a large number of them, I can agree with you in that, you know, because "fuck teh system xd remember the 5th of november" is too damn fashion, ironically, the system is the creator of this trend.

>>13687
Looking back I probably used you more as an example to make a point than too much else, and the reasoning may lacked followthrough. S'all good anon.

You know OP, I'm pretty sure not doing anything will get old quick for you. It did for me, anyway.

So I'm currently a "productive member of society" - sans the "member of society" part, really. I just happen to work in the same place as about a hundred other guys. I don't talk to any of them. Too anxious.

There is nothing to like about my dead-end job, but I can envelop myself in my thoughts and perform boring, repetitive motions while being mentally far away, which helps. Quoting Kuro from >>13425:
>I remember a book I read not so long ago that said something like "Some people, the ones with a complex and rich internal life, build an impenetrable fortress inside their heads, where they keep all their feelings and all their experience, and it might resemble as fortress for us, but for them is a palace."

That's about us. We are almost all introverts here, if the MBTI threads are any indication. But yeah, staying in "the palace" while at work really helps me cope with the drudgery.

All in all, I feel a little bit better now than during my extended period of NEETdom. I like to think of my job as means to reach my other goals rather than a hindrance. Well, I don't have many goals, just access to food, shelter, computers, etc. is enough for now. I guess I could go NEET and try being homeless, but I'll admit I'm a lazy cunt who would rather get their food legally, in stores. I don't want no trabu.

I'm not comfortable in society (or around people, to be more precise), but, they've manufactured my computer parts, made my food, sewed my clothes, built my house, etc.. I couldn't do anything without those people I've never met. I would be a nobody without them. Whether I like it or not, I have to start giving back to them - or leave them entirely, which I'm not prepared to, and wouldn't even like to do.

>>13690
If you don't mind me asking, what job is it that you're doing? I'm looking for a job and I need some ideas.

>>13691
Sure. Could you be more specific about what you want to hear? I'm a physical worker in a plywood factory. I work at a wood-drying kiln.

My job is usually to feed wood veneers (~3mm thick sheets of wood) into the kiln by placing them on a conveyor chain. I do that for 4 hours straight. Then, after a 15 minute break, I typically switch with the workers at the front of the machine and retrieve dried veneers and stack them on a pallet until the end of the shift.

That is what I do. What else could I add…

Most of the people who work there are rather old - there are few younger ones. Quite a lot of the workers commute to work from surrounding villages. From what little I've gathered by talking to them, many of them have worked there for a long time (4-10+ years) without getting a substantial raise, getting promoted, etc.

The kiln is noisy, as is the rest of the factory hall, and the area next to the conveyer is hot. There is the constant nuisance of dealing with splinters in my hands and all over my factory clothes. The reinforced safety boots I've been given are thick and make my feet awfully hot and sweaty. After finishing my shift, the smell of the factory clings to me and my clothes, so I have to shower and get changed the first thing after coming home.

While on my contract it says I work at the kiln and get paid commission for the amount of work done (counted in square meters of vaneers) and not by the hour, I can get reassigned to work elsewhere in the factory and get my contract details altered as needed, since it's all unqualified work that requires no prior formal training.

All in all, it's not a terrible job - once you learn the ropes, it requires almost zero effort. It's a decent place for people who don't get on well with others - I rarely have to communicate anything to other people at all. Likewise, the job offers zero rewards besides minimum salary (or a little more than that, depending on how well I do that month).

It's hard getting over the thought that I'm not meant for that place, but really - as a person who basically lived as a NEET for 4 years (with some flunking out of college mixed in for flavor, paid for by my parents and money from my student loan), I had it coming.

I guess I'm at a point where some people would consider killing themselves. That definitely is a way out. It's not nice being forced to live in a particular way. However, I thrive by not getting too attached to what I have. Things such as my identity and sense of self, mental integrity, memories of my past. It's unfortunate how we have to adapt and sometimes give up what we've once gotten in order to live, but life is just an elaborate dream anyway. None of this matters. If I stay alive, I might hopefully one day learn something less boring to tell you, lol

>>13679
I'm 24 and you are being awfully defensive, normie

>>13693
You know what's the funniest thing about the term "normie"?
That it actually means "non-virgin socialcunt", and isn't related at all whether you're a part of the society or not.
>inb4 no

>>13694
>being social has nothing to do with society
this has got to be the worst trolling of all time

>>13695
Do you even know how to read between lines or are you always this straight-thought?

>>13695
Get on my level

>>13693
>Normie
Go back to Wizcha… Oh wait.

>>13696
do u even kno how to inb4
>>13697
id rather get on madotsukis level

>>13699
So, are you that retarded you can't tell by context what did I mean by "member of society"? Do I really have to write it out?
It means WORK, STUDYING. I wrote it that way because edgy-san wants to point out that you have to be away from anything involving the word social. That means I was being SARCASTIC.
Should I draw it for you too or what?

>>13700
sure, I love pictures

>>13700
Let me do it

>>13702
2nd part

>>13703
now you've lost me again

>>13704
are you by any chance new?

I once watched a documentary about a British guy trying to delivery vaccines to the most remote regions of Nepal. They went from India to Nepal to a very remote village in the mountains.

There the people were extremely poor. Even the poorness of the Indian slums were luxurious compared to the small village. In the Indian slums you had shops, crappy motorbikes to drive around in, people worked as blacksmiths or factory assemblers or garbage collectors or whatever. In the village, they were miles isolated from any civilisation, electricity or running water. The people grew their own crops to eat. There was a woman who was pounding grain using a tree trunk and a hole in a stone. She had to pound grain for hours in order to eat even just a little bit of crappy tasteless bread.

Even in the poor slums of india, people had specialised jobs to do. They didn't produce their own food, but rather did whatever they did and was paid money with which to buy food, as opposed to the village woman who produced the food that she ate. Even farmers in western coutnries today are reliant on society for their needs. A western wheat farmer is producing food, but he still buys bread and jam and milk, he didn't mill his own grain, he didn't bake his own bread, he uses a tractor that someone else made to gather the grain.

In all societies, no matter how primitive, you just have to do something useful not to get kicked out, don't you.

That thought is what pushed me to get a job. It would be simply unfair towards the rest if I refused to work.

The only reason I avoided work in the first place is because I'm scared of other people. I have mild autism or something else like that which makes me really trash at talking to others and behaving like a normal person. I don't inherently dislike work, study or exercise.

Unfortunately, avoidance leads to loneliness, and prolonged loneliness is really bad for your health, both physical and mental.

The only good thing about you NEETs is that you have infinite time for yourselves. Good luck putting it to good use so you don't feel like crap for wasting it, though. I couldn't do that.

>>13709
>you just have to do something useful not to get kicked out, don't you.
No, just look at the amount of parent dependent hikkis in Japan. I haven't been kicked out either, because my parents know I'm incapable of working.

>>13710
Yeah this guy is right i think.

I doubt any decent human society would kick people out who refuse to work.
Look down on them, for sure, maybe even let them go hungry/homeless or whatever, but i cant imagine anyone would even bother with kicking people out unless they start trouble.

>>13709
>In all societies, no matter how primitive, you just have to do something useful not to get kicked out, don't you.
Not really, but I see your point. People who actively harm society are looked upon more kindly than NEETs by many people. Corporate lawyers and payday lenders, for example.

>>13712
>Not really, but I see your point. People who actively harm society are looked upon more kindly than NEETs by many people. Corporate lawyers and payday lenders, for example.
>Corporate lawyers and payday lenders, for example.

Dude what the fuck, these people are the most mocked ones in all the shows as being dirty jews constantly shilling.
(example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2VxpTMAbas ).

People do not actually look upon them at all, if anything, they show "respect" (I.E. FEAR) of what these people could do for them were they to become rivals, and in general, it's accepted they earn a lot of money, so it's more like "if ya wanna be rich you better start studying to become a lawyer". Also, that "kindness" you're talking about may be the natural reaction of the average to earn some sympathy and later ask for favors.
Do not mistake fake kindness/flattery with real, actual kindness people show for those they care/admire.

Most of people belittles NEETs because they don't know of their circumstances; and because they're way too blind to notice some people really can't work our with our society.
That means, a NEET for your typical citizen is "Someone who doesn't work or study and lives off of my taxes", or "Someone spending their lives partying while living off my taxes", which is partly true at some extent and in some cases, but also not the general rule. You can't make a fish build a pillar in a tower when it can't even pick up a tool because it lacks both hands and can't even get out of the water. Just like that, there's people who's not cut for this society, and people having it hard to fit in it.

>>13709
If anything, more advanced societies accomodate NEETs more easily because they have plenty of excess money and resources. In rich countries you have the social security net to help you. Its very hard to starve to death as there is so much food and it is being thrown out regularly, the main expensive thing is getting a place to live and paying for bills and such. In poor countries if you don't work you'll just die from starvation.

>>13713
Orwell once wrot ethat so long as you made lots of money you still got respect in society. Doctors get respect, successful musicians make respec, even bank robbers or gangsters or scam artists get respect. But a hobo which makes no money is the scum of the earth even if he doesn't negatively affect others.

>Orwell once wrot ethat so long as you made lots of money you still got respect in society. Doctors get respect, successful musicians make respec, even bank robbers or gangsters or scam artists get respect. But a hobo which makes no money is the scum of the earth even if he doesn't negatively affect others.

A doctor gets respect because he saves people: search cases where medical malpractice killed someone and you will see all the hatred sperging from left to right.
A musician gets respect because he actually manages to touch someone's feelings with his music rather than for being rich. For example, a lot of people love classical music even though those songs were composed long long time ago because it simply touches them. On the other hand, people like Justin Gayer don't get respect: His fans are teens who fantasize about fucking him because he's got a pretty face? (Or whatever, they're teens I would never get what the fuck they're thinking in), and the other half fucking hates him to death.
There's also people who don't give a fuck about him.

>even bank robbers or gangsters or scam artists get respect

No shit, no; They get respect for a little number of brainless cunts, not all the society. And even if that was the case, let's say one of those is a NEET, wouldn't that mean someone respects a NEET too?

>But a hobo which makes no money is the scum of the earth even if he doesn't negatively affect others.

This isn't always the case. Most of people are just scared of the fact that the hobo may actually harm them in any way; because, you know, they tend to be drunk, and drunk people can be dangerous. I admit though that they're seen negatively as a fail (even when there's still people trying to help them), so
you have a point though that the average person thinks really poorly of them.

Just to illustrate this, if you put a NEET and a Hobo in the same room, then you ask a "normal" person behind those 1-way glasses-that-from-one-way-look like-a-mirror to look at them and ask which one they pick as the worst, chances are that the hobo is going to be picked most of the time (if not always). That's because we judge from appearances.
Now, if we tell this person that the hobo lost everything he had in some natural disaster, and the NEET is a social butterfly who is partying all the time and won't work because his family is rich, chances are that the average person will sympathize with the hobo and start disliking the NEET. This is just to show that even if said NEET was rich, he still can be "hated", manipulating the "angle" of view of the situation.

That means, once we start understanding what's behind the big curtain, we leave our prejudices behind and form an entire new opinion based on our personalities (how much do you sympathize with the other), but also in how that data was presented to us.

I repeat what I wrote in my previous post: People do not look upon the rich nor they admire/respect them for being rich (unless they started really low and got themselves to the top with their own hands); they're just looking for a way to get favors in the future, to use these people.
Grated, that could be considered power, but that won't buy people's legit respect, love and admiration. In fact, they're just surrounded by fake bootlickers and fake friends, and the illusion of popularity.

>>13714
>Dude I want the same respect doctors and famous people get
>Okay, what do you do
>Nothing lol
gg

I can't say I'm anything resembling happy, but I'm happier than I would be

The problem is that people have to continue working even though there isn't enough actually useful work to go around. Rather than dividing up the useful work into more part time jobs, or pensioning people out of the workforce, we have a capitalist system that just creates essentially useless activity.

Combine that with the fact that respect for job and person has nothing to do with how useful it is. A garbageman, a personal care worker, these are people doing essential jobs, but they get no respect, while useless senior consultant mcbullshit is seen as a great guy. Obviously some useful jobs (i.e. doctor) do get that, but what really matters is doing a job that meets with the ideals of capitalist society, not whats actually necessary (because capitalism cares what people will pay for, not whats necessary).

So this leads to a situation where most people are either being pushed into mcjobs that serve no useful function to society, and can only draw any positive from it by comparing the meagre income they bring in to the shit situation they would be in otherwise. Or, they get an actually useful and important job, and maybe they and the people in it can draw some self-respect from it, but not that much because the rest of society still treats them like worthless failures. All this despite one category of the above being necessary and the whole system being set up so that a majority of people have to fall into one of the above two options.

I'm just thankful my shit job is easy, better than minimum pay and lets me spend 60% of the time surfing the web.

Its not really a primary cause of neetdom but it hardly makes it a surprising response.