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>>11865

So what if you believe God isn't real? Isn't that a good thing? There's no big pretentious King at the top of the hill, handing down rules and punishments. You're free to conceive and protect your own personal moral compass, and do what you will.

You'll have to find something to work for, now. Something you believe in. It doesn't matter if the end is feasible right now, because the means will justify themselves. Everything you do makes an impression on someone else, and impressions, convictions, ideas, and moods are very contagious. Everything ripples outward.

Bad things happen to all people. Some people just handle them differently. It's all about the way that you view the world; it's something completely different to everyone, and nobody ever gets quite what they expect out of it.

>your post
so it goes.
>bad things to good people
I don't know, but I don't mind. Things happen to whoever they want.
>god
don't know. It's your personal problem. IMO God exists but it is a dick.

I feel like souls are real and we all decided to come here for a reason that we forgot about because of the darkness that shrouds the world. Through parents and society. But it's possible to remember, for all of us.

I don't believe that there is anybody that punishes someone. I imagine the universal will to be loving and accepting. I also don't believe that there are bad people.

Personally i believe there is some divine power out there, doing whatever it is supposed to be doing and some of us happen to be part of its doing.
Then again dont want to convince you pr even you have to believe me, but i do think you should maintain a more open mind, as should most people.
Who knows what is out there doing what.

Now about the real issue, the "bad" people simply take the good things from others.
Since they are more used to fighting, there is no effective way to combat them from lack of experience.
Good things are already in short supply, so its no wonder we are left with scraps.

Hang in there OP. I don't know what you're going through right now, but you will make it if you persevere.

Also, leading a passive life is not really good for you. Quite to the contrary, apathy is probably the worst thing that can happen to anyone. Mindlessly putting others before oneself is terrible as well. After all, the more power, knowledge and skill YOU have, the more efficiently you can serve others. You should always make sure you treat yourself fairly and do not deprive yourself of opportunities you pass up in favor of other people.

As for your questions: maybe it would be better to reverse them and ask, why shouldn't those things happen? Is there a cosmic force that makes sure everyone receives their just reward?

Indeed, it is said that you reap what you sow. Maybe you were too good to others and not good enough to yourself. I don't know.

A good person is more likely to think about the possibly negative consequences of his/her actions, but that can be paralyzing. Few people consider themselves to be bad… it's just that bad people are poor at understanding the consequences of their actions. Like the robber who thinks he's a good person because he helps old ladies cross the street yet completely (unconsciously) ignores the trauma he causes by robbing someone.

Bad people are more selfish and less empathic. It's easier to be happy because they don't carry the weight of the world. Good people are less selfish, more empathic. It's harder for them to be happy because they feel the pain that is in this world. Nature itself doesn't favor the good or the bad, it's just harder to be happy if you are a good person.

Anyway, you sound depressed. My suggestion to you would be the following:

Block all sources of news about the world. Use leechblock for the internet, don't watch the news, watch less or no TV. Find joy in the meaningless things of this world, like formations of clouds, the movement of shadows, the bubbles in a glass that you fill with water.

Ignore your thoughts more. True introspection comes from watching your actions and behavior, not what you think. Thinking is overrated and people are poor judges of their own character anyway. People have a tendency to think the same things over and over again, yet not do anything with those thoughts. Try to translate thoughts into immediate physical actions. Browsing the internet is not a physical action…

Take good care of your body. Eat healthy food. Move around every day. Sleep well. Keep your house clean. The brain degenerates if you don't and an unhealthy brain is much more susceptible to depression. Being depressed is like being sick in absence of an illness. It's the same physical response. You need to get better and the only way to do it is to bring your brain into the state that it would be in if you were completely healthy.

>Anyway, you sound depressed. My suggestion to you would be the following:

All of what the above poster said after this quote.

Good is not real

To me it just sounds like you guys need a thicker skin, a positive mindset and a good mentality.

I have a belief, but I know god is not real, nor is any other "force"

We should be glad with what we have and work for that that we want. It has always been like that.


Being looked down upon makes one strong. Eventually stronger than the one who looked down upon you.

In just another minute we'll be bigger than god, now.

>>11873
Good is just as real as something like consciousness or experience. Just because you can't describe something in terms of elementary particles or make an all inclusive definition of it doesn't mean it's not real.

>>11875
>Being looked down upon makes one strong. Eventually stronger than the one who looked down upon you.

How does that work though? Despite people saying hardship builds character and all that… in my experience problems (such as depression) tend to increase vulnerability to subsequent problems, rather than toughening people to it.

I don't believe in God or any other sort of supernatural force or entity. I do although believe in the existence of a soul in the sense that it is an abstract piece of data. We are bits of software existing within fleshy computers, oue soul is composed of all the data within our brain. When we speak to someone, or we write something or create something a piece our soul is attached to it in a way. What you're reading right now is something I wrote, something that came from me, from my "soul" as it were, and now that you've read it it's a part of you and the data the you are made of. Even when we die and our experience of consciousness ends the bits of data, the fragments of our soul remained, within things we create and within ideas we spread, which then spread to others and continue to live on within them, and to others beyond them. The data that composes us, while much of it original, contains pieces of data passed down through generations across countless lost and forgotten souls.

I hadn't realized until now but now that I think about it it's not that bad things always happen to good people, it's that bad things happen to (or more accurately are more likely to happen to) passive people because they do less to avoid negative things happening and do less to cause positive things to happen. The opposite extreme is possible as well, and aggressive and reckless person will just cause bad things that happened to them in opposed to being victim to them. A balance must be met I suppose.

>>11870
>Also, leading a passive life is not really good for you.
I disagree, as long as you pick your battles you can come out on top quite all right.
> After all, the more power, knowledge and skill YOU have, the more efficiently you can serve others.
That's not always true, it depends on who you are serving, some people know a good servant when they see one and will make sure they are treated appropriately. And some people recognize the measure of your sacrifice and really need the kindness you can give them, they will also at least try to return the favor.

>people telling OP how to live their life
I know you guys mean well but sometimes that's the last thing people need.
You tell people how to live, and they hear that the way they're living now is wrong.
You tell people how to change and they hear that what they are now is no good and they need to change.
You tell them how you were able to overcome similar challenges and they hear that you are some shining star above them that will always be better than them.
You tell them that they shouldn't feel the way they do about them self or their circumstances and they hear that their feelings are being invalidated.
You tell them to toughen up, they hear that they are weak.
etc.

Regardless of whether your points are valid if they are delivered poorly they are more harmful than helpful, and when you hear the same message a million times it just becomes white noise and has difficulty getting through even when presented well.

I'm sorry for venting like that but but when people try to present helpful information like that it just really pisses me off.
I need to go cool off :/

>>11883
I am curious, how would you try to reach out to someone who is depressed?

IRL you can just listen, just be there for someone, but to acknowledge someones pain through written messages is difficult. Isnt it kind of inherit in being depressed that really nothing people can say will cheer you up? I think its still better that people reply than not at all in order not to offend. Being ignored is worse than feeling misunderstood imho.

>>11888
You have to find the source of their depression and do battle with it in their mind. If you don't have the same life experience that lead them down that road, it can be hard to connect.

>>11889
>You have to find the source of their depression and do battle with it in their mind.

Hmmm… I disagree with this line of thinking. Obviously for some there might be a clear cut reason for their depression that is causing it, like being in a toxic relationship or suppressed memories of trauma. But I would say that generally you can't think your way out of a depression, in fact I think trying to do that only risks making it worse.

Being depressed is something you feel and the thoughts you have follow those feelings. You have to deal with the emotions. Emotions are your body telling you what to do. Fear when you have to flee. Anger when you need to fight. Happiness that you can safely engage in certain actions. What depression is telling you is to hide, to rest, to wait until better times when you are no longer weakened. It's a response that makes sense if you are an injured bunny, who should stay in his nest if he doesn't want to get eaten. People get injured too, sometimes physical but usually mentally. You can't heal from a mental injury in the same way you heal from a physical one, just by resting and waiting. The only thing you can do is try to not give into the natural response to depression. Because it will just tighten its hold on you.

>>11890
If there's no clearly defined root cause then there really isn't much that can be done; the person has to change their perspective themselves. You can offer advice if you can understand it, but you can't fight or break it.

>>11892
To elaborate, when my depression visits me it usually has causes, and once I deal with those it goes away for a while. If you're not depressed for a reason, I really don't know how to wrap my head around that.

>>11888
>I am curious, how would you try to reach out to someone who is depressed?
Okay, basically everything Seisatsu said.

You can just go on a mission like "YOU ARE BROKEN, I AM GOING TO FIX YOU!", no. I think you have to actually get to know the person and earn their trust first, and talk to them. Not just about their depression or whatever issue you're trying to help them fix but just talk to them. You can't make them face it, you can only help them face it. I think it's often something that people would face on their own but get continually defeated by their own feelings trying to do so until they just stop trying. They need to be allowed to try again and have support from someone as they do in order to not be overwhelmed by their own feelings again.

sorry about the thread derailment OP (although it was kind of already derailed before I got here)

>>people telling OP how to live their life

You made an incorrect assumption, Distortion. They are merely pieces of advice based on what worked (or seemed to work) for us.

Sure, that doesn't really work in individual cases. But there is nothing else we can do to help, really. We can listen and offer some words of support, but we're not here to help anyone out of depression over the internet.

Of course the general rule is to listen, not to talk. But OP did not provide many details, and was replied to accordingly.

Also:
>I disagree, as long as you pick your battles you can come out on top quite all right.
I think of it as a matter of surviving vs living. The former is easy, but denying oneself experience is unbearable.

>>11895
>You made an incorrect assumption
It's not an assumption, it's a perception.
>I think of it as a matter of surviving vs living. The former is easy, but denying oneself experience is unbearable.
To some people that might be unbearable but perhaps not to everyone. You're not literally telling someone how to live their life here but you're telling them that if they don't live their life the way you prescribed they will be miserable, you see what I mean? Do you know how much bullshit I encounter growing up of people telling me how I needed to live my life otherwise I would be miserable and never amount to anything, and in the end it turned out they were WRONG. Perhaps you are right in what you're saying, but even so, you see what I'm getting at?

>>11897
I think you're exceptional in that regard. For the most part people seem to need to pursue something to find meaning in life, and even then contentment is very temporary. That's part of why most NEETs are so depressed: very few people seem genuinely happy living that way. I myself grew up a shutin that didn't have any goals and just contented myself by playing games, watching movies and doing other stuff that doesn't really have much significance to me now. I've hated myself for years for not having done more to improve myself early on, and for not getting out and living. I know that if I spend much more of my life like that it would just make me more disappointed in myself and make my existence seem like even more of a waste of the opportunities life has a afforded.

That isn't to say that the OP is like me either, but he's obviously miserable living like he is, and it's clear he should try and change and improve his own conditions, and that can only really be done by trying to live differently. He might try and get some help with that, but nobody can rely on someone else to change their life to the point it seems worth living. I sincerely hope he's able to do that.

Anyway, life is chaotic and absurd. Bad things happen all the time to both good and bad people and they're rarely justified in a moral sense. Good and bad in the sense you and I mean are abstract concepts that only really exist in the human mind, it doesn't seem like there's much of a point using them to judge the chaotic events of existence, except when it comes to how people treat other people. And people treat other people badly in a lot of cases, out of ignorance or apathy or selfishness or maliciousness, but it seems like most people at least hope to or try to treat those they judge as good well, which is more than you can say for most other animals or natural events. It's hard for some to treat those who live passively and quietly well though, because they're harder to understand and harder to get to know, even harder to empathize with. I think if you reached out to your family or caring people outside of it people would try to help, or at least sympathize with you.

… Sorry if that was kind of a mess.

>>11898
>I think you're exceptional in that regard. For the most part people seem to need to pursue something to find meaning in life
when I was talking about people telling me how to live or else I'd be miserable I was not referring to living passively, I honestly wouldn't be happy doing that either, although I'm certain there are some people who could.
Sorry about the confusion.