No.17737
So I haven't been keeping up with this shit, anyone care to fill us in on the story here?
>the victims that were silenced are getting justice
Oh gee, where have I seen that sort of language before? I'm guessing it's another Discord grooming deal, right?
No.17739
I also saw something about mods being transphobic or some such, and a lot of that crowd are self-exiling from YNO which is pretty funny to watch. Also saw talks of people wanting to fork it entirely, actually.
No.17740
Uneven Dream also wants to remove themselves from YNO. We might see a domino effect with the other western fangames oof. ACCELERATE
No.17742
>>17741It's a risk that has to be taken into account when interacting with a place that is heavily tied to a discord, underage users and new western fans. Like goddamn clockwork.
YNO is best enjoyed avoiding discords and turning chat off.
No.17743
Are the "folx" who are stirring this shit even playing this game, or are they chronic Discord/Bluesky/Tumblr dwellers?
No.17744
>>17741>>17742While I think Sam and Mexikirb sound like dickheads, yeah thats pretty much how I feel. You invite minors, western tumblr/bsky users, AND have a discord? What did they think would happen, honestly?
The tumblr/bsky crowd alone is a pain to deal with because every little thing to them is a microaggression to be blown out of proportion as they are bored, upper class kids and manchildren living off mommy's credit card who's only struggle is what people have said about their identity online or crying racism at every troll obviously there to stir them up. Much to the dismay of actual lgbtq people who are struggling and don't have the luxury of being on discord/twitter/bsky all day long and have to deal with the fall out of those bsky users destroying their reputation.
With these sort of things, its best either to not to have a discord, not to invite minors (which shouldn't be in the ynfg space in the first place considering the topics covered in said games), and definitely not have western tumblr refugees.
Discord itself is already a hotbed for drama and mental decay on its own.
No.17745
>>17743>>17738Oh damn, that actually seems serious - what grooming case? One of the mods was a groomer?
I thought it's just typical "wah wah wah he's little skeptical about transsexualism" situation
No.17747
>>17734Someone should tell this person about Río and Lemniscate debacle
Years of YNO allowing badges, expeds and time trials tied to their worlds and only now he's leaving?
No.17748
>>17743The people who play YNO and use these sites are nearly a perfect circle in a Venn diagram.
No.17750
>>17749>>17738Or much more tldr:
>People are getting groomed>Mods knew No.17751
>>17750also
>other mods slightly transphobic (have concerns)>entire shitstorm and witch hunt ensues No.17752
god damn. searching #yno on tumblr, someone released a google doc fucking hell lmao
i'm just in it for the reactions now. i'm too employed to read all the details.
>>17741>Fuck cancel culture, it's a cancer that's killing the internet.i agree pretty much with all of your post except this part. nah let cancel culture kill yno. the people running it shouldn't be there.
if they didn't diddle minors online while the others keep quiet, this would have never happened. actually, a competent team would have stuck with their own internal chat system they made for the service, instead of opening a public discord, but that would require not acting like/being a fellon.
No.17753
seems yall say "they shouldnt have opened a discord" yet the site started as a personal thing shared on discord and was decided to be a bigger project on discord. its a discord drama pit foremost and online game site second
No.17754
Yo hujle we need your yno bootleg thing up and running again seems like yno’s shutting down or something
No.17755
>>17742>YNO is best enjoyed avoiding discords and turning chat off.Indeed
No.17756
>>17752>i'm just in it for the reactions now.This, dont give 2 shits about this witch hunt but hope YNO and its shitty community that should have never existed dies for good
No.17758
>>17757Oh fuck me. You can tell I never do anything but lurk. Being awake for 40 hours running on nothing but three energy drinks ain't fuckin helping.
Anyways I'm trying to make some simplified version of the docs since I saw several people trying to read it but having a hard time due to machine translations. Hoping that'll make it easier to spread to non-english part of fandom.
No.17759
>>17757Yep that pretty much confirms it for me yno is shutting down as we speak
No.17760
>>17759As long as they're allowed to host 2kki they'll be fine I'm afraid
No.17761
Are we talking about the Schizofriendia thing?
No.17762
>>17761You tell me, I mean what thing?
No.17763
>>17760Seems like things are shaping up to be a nothingburger, beyond Uneven Dream leaving and some devs and offended leaving the discord, nothing much is happening.
No.17765
>>17764I believe people would enjoy an experience run by moderation team that is mature, experienced and, most of all, is not creepy. (obviously, but) I mean. just look at the reaction here.
I will agree, however. It would be difficult to convince people to move to different community unless YNO goes under for good. I think the more likely outcome will be a leadership change at YNO at best, or just nothing at worst.
but hey. if it does go down, it would be the perfect time to prop up an alternative service. even if it doesn't have the bells and whistles but the standard multiplayer experience.
No.17766
>>17765The people leaving in droves are mostly the sensitives, I doubt they'd want to associate with degenerates like us, if anything I see them flocking to Collective Unconscious whenever that releases their alternative.
No.17767
>>17766Yes except there’s a 99.99% chance of the people running it are as fucked up as the yno admins and mods
No.17768
>>17767Absolutely, but these people are good at keeping facades and just attract misfortune like a magnet, there isn't much that can be done in their case.
No.17770
>>17769If YNO has taught me anything, it's that making games like this "more accessible" is not necessarily a good thing. Going too far in that direction means inevitably having to babysit the braindead kids that start showing up en masse because the barrier to entry is so low. I'm probably beating a dead horse here but I really do miss when 2kki didn't have an up-to-date English translation and you had to go through all sorts of system locale fuckery to get the damn thing working. It gatekept itself and kept all the children out.
I know that "gatekeeping" is like a swear word these days but I think it's sorta mandatory not to accommodate everyone in order to keep cool stuff for a slightly more "mature" audience intact and prevent the Roblox demographic from running it into the ground.
No.17771
I've never liked the idea of Yume Nikki Online, and the fact that there's a whole community and achievement system around it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I've never liked the YNO devs ever since heard stories about them harassing the Dream Diary Jam into quitting and handing over the keys to the jam, but given how that community also seems to just fill up with teenagers and their Discord drama, they probably dodged a bullet. And then how they just removed Answered Prayers for the crime of age gap wrongthink. I have no idea if any of these grooming claims are even true or not but I'm very happy seeing this project go under.
If people really want a Yume Nikki Online, just host the games on a webpage for easy access. No achievements, no Discord, no multiplayer, just a web browser with EasyRPG or whatever is used to host the games for people who don't want to keep downloading updates.
No.17772
>>17770I feel like the article "Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution" is incredibly relevant reading regarding this situation, because to me it really mirrors what's been happening, not only with YNO but with the YN+Fangames community at large. (
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths)
>>17771The achievement system YNO implemented felt like needless gamification that clashed heavily with the philosphies of the games it was affixed to, and has only served to make me resent how widespread the practice has become. On a side note, I'd be interested in hearing more about the YNO devs' interference with the Dream Diary Jam - I was not aware they had even gained ownership of it until your post! It seems their ruinous hands reach farther than I had anticipated.
No.17773
>>17771>>17772(Really nice blogpost btw)
>game jam wait wtf i'm not aware of that story. That's insane.
>achievementsI'm personally not bothered by their existence. They are way for the community to supplement the existing game without disrupting it. You still wander the snow world of yume nikki or interact with the mask shop of 2kki. This is the usual experience for the new player. The returning players might enjoy in the easter egg hunt the community collectively created outside the gameplay, but it is completely optional and can be safely ignored.
>clashed heavily with the philosphies of the games it was affixed toTbh I don't really understand. Isn't the base game just a big collectathon exploration game? If it is, I don't see how community achievements is any different from yet another collectathon.
The only stench I can smell to it being the mods running the damn thing.
I'll admit though, I didn't extensively play on there to feel the system. I can understand if the whole system is in your face the whole time you play.
No.17774
>>17772Very nice read, thank you. Always nice when someone writes down what everyone thinks in a way you haven't thought of.
>>17771>heard stories about them harassing the Dream Diary Jam into quitting and handing over the keysI think you may need your dear storyteller to elaborate, because this sounds ridiculous.
No.17775
>>17770>I know that "gatekeeping" is like a swear word these daysMay I suggest the word "curation" as an alternative?
No.17777
>>17776
And may I suggest not posting the same message twice???
No.17778
>>17771I don't mind multiplayer in 2kki specifically, as long as it's chat, room view etc disabled.
2kki is huge, and occasionally running into someone staring into a sunset, gives me a feeling that feels compatible with the whole thing (not with YN .flow etc though which feel more personal, both in the isolation and the character).
On the other hand I hate the tourism trips culture of YNO, shallow experiences, beelining to everything of note, no sense of wonder, just done for the sake of saying "Yeah I've been there". Truly a tourist tour experience.
No.17780
>>17779>roblox cancerAs a Project Moon fan, I wouldn't wish these people on any fanbase…
No.17781
>>17777In my defense, I thought the post didn't go through.
No.17782
>>17774I'm not part of the Jam server anymore so I can't see, but I remember one of the admins there posting about the transfer and seeming burnt out by it, and last month the other admin posted this on their bluesky about the jam:
>When I left it was being taken over by a bunch of nonstop underage drama over the silliest things (I left when I started getting flak for doing Lolitober) but at the same time who cares what they think I just want to make *something*So no direct confirmation on what happened, maybe YNO didn't force them out, but they're in charge of the Jam and Discord now. I could be wrong but I think Yuga was admin there, and they made that Nex guy a moderator, which is not a good sign at all, given he's an extremely overly sensitive autistic who can't handle the slightest bit of friction or nuance in any place I've seen him in.
>>17775How is gatekeeping a "swear word"? We need to gatekeep our communities and interests. We can't and shouldn't stop people from liking fangames, but we stop them from filling and taking over our communities. Otherwise, those Roblox kids would've taken over Uboachan ages ago. Same with other fangame hubs. You don't interact with those people, you don't enable them, and you tell them to fuck off if they try to police anything you do.
No.17785
I am starting to feel that some anons here have already outed themselves as "children that didn't fuck around and find out bitching about children that did fuck around and find out." Don't act like CUnnies with inverse opinions, won't call out particular anons.
Additionally, no abstract community gatekeeping conversation please, use a separate thread for that. Let /ot/ be your kingdom.
>Dream Diary Jam being overrun by Yume Nikki 4Kids modsIf it pisses you off, do something to help them collapse and something better to rise. If you can't be bothered to do so, it clearly does not piss you off enough. The biggest lever we have on
them is relevance and reputation. They become nothing but a hollow grooming center the moment the world recognizes that a better scene and community does exist without all the Discord drama, united by pure enthusiasm and pride. What else do you think the idea of the USAGI Jam 2 is? (
>>>/ig/1416 btw) If you for some reason post here and hate how USAGI's being handled, FeverDev (BotanikiDev) hosts related jams as well.
No.17789
>>17785>Additionally, no abstract community gatekeeping conversation pleaseAlas, gatekeeping has become a dirty word even among the moderators. I weep openly.
>The biggest lever we have on them is relevance and reputation.Do we, though?
The site's activity is a far cry from its heyday, and I can't exactly say our reputation has stayed intact either. Even if the modern DDJ is a hotbed of grooming and drama, when most folk see a webiste with the suffix "chan" they think it's some seedy anarchist lair of undesirables, and 9 times out of 10 they'll go to what looks respectable on the outside and is the most accessible. The fact that fandom enemy #1 Hujle is a mod here doesn't help our image, despite him being a bigger boon to the community than any of his naysayers have ever been.
No.17793
>>17789I think Uboachan doesn't have any pull, but rather than for the reasons you mentioned, because the fanbase is simply splitting at this point, between the old guard who tends to be more old style otaku, themes of isolation, things that made YN happen and such, and the new friendslop/youtuber horror zoomer kind of thing.
Imageboards are for boomers at this point, while the zoomers have grown on discords, always-online pseudo non-isolation, and high moderation.
No.17795
>>17789>gatekeeping has become a dirty word even among the moderatorsno, it has not. We do employ a fair bit of it. But the topic's beaten to death on other boards and sites (but feel free to start a new thread to repeat the same shit) and it's useless for people coming to read about the YNO drama. Talking of which, there is very little of that here. Deleting anything even slightly meta to Uboa from now on.
>>17793Uboa has always attracted the same generation and class, and these people got old and mostly left the wild west Internet by now. Uboa also actively deters analog horror freaks. Other (more alive) altchans have ran surveys on their demographics and the age median for not retarded altchans is still shockingly low.
No.17796
Wow, I hate this.
No.17801
>>17799Seriously, everyone in the chat acts like they're quirk chungus. I just play with it off
No.17802
>>17801Absolutely. Immersion mode on, single player mode on, chat disabled and hidden. I play this game to get lost in thought, god damn it.
No.17806
>>17738Sometimes I wonder if this is what Noildoof was talking about when she said something along the lines of “I feel bad for opening the floodgates to western devs on 2kki.” Surely it couldn’t have been just the worlds themselves, you’re asking for widespread trouble by platforming anyone in with no moderation. This never would’ve happened had Rio and Lemniscate joined the team. It’s been, what, five years of this fiasco? And it hasn’t let up since.
Even worse knowing no one is going to face any real consequence for any of this beyond just a slap on the wrist. Yes Rio and Lem got exiled from the 2kki community but they’re still out there working on their shitty Pokemon Minecraft mod and god knows what else. I can only imagine the same will end up being true for Yuga and his sycophants.
No.17810
>>17743It is, in fact, terminally online discord retards. A lot of these 'dramas' are old as fuck news to anyone that isn't a larping underage tertiary (which comprises almost the entirety of that wretched discord.) If you're asking for specific names, i've noticed that Pureko guy, his girlfriend and his discord goons are behind a lot of the shit stirring going on lately. Not sure if its a vendetta against moderation, actual narcissism, or a sad attempt at social climbing getting wholesome chungus points, but from AP, to Mexikirb, and now the resurfacing of the Sam and Hyo incidents; All of them have been directly initiated by him and Somnsnosa, his gf. The guys behind covering the grooming shit probably had it coming, but the rest is villain of the week type shit peddled by the profoundly mentally ill, expect more to come soon because validation is a drug and people like this are openly welcomed into the community over there.
No.17811
So um I learned that yuga (a very hated mod on here) has stepped down as owner of 2kkicord and left the server and also left the yno server as well hell he’s most likely left the Yume Nikki community altogether
I also heard that most of the problematic mods are gone so whether or not ynoproject is salvageable from this would depend on how future mods would run it
However please don’t take whatever I said seriously I only learned about this from social media because I’m honestly not gonna fact check this but simply stepping in both servers again
No.17812
>>17806>they’re still out there working on their shitty Pokemon Minecraft mod…excuse me? sauce on this?? that’s a pretty damning thing to say out of nowhere
No.17813
>>17811>yuga left community>not gonna bother fact checking by joining serversYeah I’ll believe I’m not gonna bother fact checking as well cuz honestly fuck yuga
No.17814
>>17811Not sure where did you get that, but currently he is at least:
> still an owner of 2kkicord> still an owner of YNOcord> still an owner of DDJ10 Discord> (likely) still a staff member of Yume Wiki> (likely) still a mod on YNO itselfYes, there was an announcement on YNOcord where he said he's stepping down from the management soon, but it's been over a week from this announcement and it seems nothing has been done in this direction… yet.
As for the other mods: the problematic ones are seem to be gone, and intern applications has been opened.
No.17815
>>17811Yuga cared more about how hujle would see him rather than the fact two groomers, one of them going to the point of near real life contact were in the 2kki community were around, preferring to worry about some 2kki devs leaving over the real minor being endangered so I don't think that guy would done anything lol
No.17817
>>17816I've learned that some discord users sometimes lurk here so I hope this leads to some sort of shitstorm.
No.17818
>>17816>Minecraft combined with Pokemon, two of the most popular kids' franchises of all timeChrist, that's disturbing knowing how many children he's definitely around
No.17819
>>17816>Decency>Over a pedo who wanted to meet one of his victims irlSure.
No.17820
>>17819This reeks of when people yell at you for not calling chris-chan a she.
No.17821
>>17814Well the guy said they weren’t gonna bother fact checking so yeah
At least the problematic mods leaving thing is true so good
No.17823
>>17822>account being made before shit about rio was brought upOk imo that to me specifies that the account isn’t Rio and is instead just a guy with a very similar typing quirk and art style
The only way it can line up for me is if it was created after the drama
No.17824
>>17823this dude was sneaky enough to hide the fact he was grooming a kid for years despite being a decently known public figure. i wouldn’t put it past him to have had a plan to jump ship already laid out.
No.17825
Friendly reminder that when gucc denounced Rio and his grooming squad yuga and his shitcord sycophants inmediately shamed and shut him down to save their own asses.
>>17806>Sometimes I wonder if this is what Noildoof was talking about when she said something along the lines of “I feel bad for opening the floodgates to western devs on 2kki.”If memory serves right that tweet was targeted to our favorite boogeyman hujle doing whatever he did that upset everyone that week rather than her half-heartedly attempting to take responsability for the kinds of Rio worming in and rotting 2kki from the inside out
No.17826
What I find the most disgusting is the fact he immediately jumps into another project that's surrounded with children. Remember that one doc he posted saying he will "try to redeem" himself and seek therapy for what he did? Can't find it right now but I can try lurking.
Also not to mention, I randomly saw someone mention they are a highschool classmate of his that found out about the 2kki thing. Should I try to see if I can find a way to contact? This furryfag is a legit threat to children and he doesn't seem to want to stop at all, I mean he immediately had another account the moment he got paranoid, disgusting freak.
No.17828
>>17826I do remember the guy you were talking about, I think he was a commenter on BnuuyOfDojima's old video (which has since been yanked off YouTube for "violating terms of service") but I don't know if he'd want any part in this
Here's Rio's "apology":
https://files.catbox.moe/cjtg05.pdf No.17829
>>17828>In the video, the video says that me saying bloodstain was actually a codename for a semen stain. >But that is not the case, it was an actual bloodstain. >The reason I was sosecretive and strange about it is because the stain came from my ass.lmao
No.17830
>>17828You're most certainly right, but then how do we stop a predator from just making a whole disappearance act and then show up somewhere else?
>>17829This statement is also seen in the update doc the victim made showing screenshots of Rio themselves saying it, which makes it even more hilarious.
No.17831
>>17830The realistic option when it was released SHOULD have been "contacting the cops", but the statue of limitations may apply and the fact that there wasn't any real physical contact (only plans to do so) would make it most likely moot.
No.17832
>>17738>the 12 people left on bluesky putting sam being skeptical of giving kids hormones on the same level of severity as real groomers on YNO trying to diddle kidsas if i didn't have reason enough to hate trannies already. literally what the fuck is the point of dragging sam into this?
No.17834
>>17832he’s also just incredibly annoying and self-righteous so i’ll take any chance to drag him
No.17835
>>17832Fuck that faggot anyways KEK
No.17836
>>17834>>17835This is the problem, even if he's a massive faggot I don't think he should be piled up along actual evil and abusers of children, the fact these goddamn tourists are more focused on discussing whatever the fuck he said instead of getting justice for victims is so telling of their virtual signaling bullshit they keep pulling every chance they get.
I hope they all go to hell.
No.17838
>>17836Ok but I don't care and he deserves to be laughed at.
No.17839
>>17838I'm entirely out of the loop on this Sam guy, what is exactly that he did or said that it even got people here mad? No I don't care about the "transphobic" comments.
No.17840
>>17839>what is exactly that he did or said that it even got people here mad?Well, you see, he-
>No I don't care about the "transphobic" comments.…so do you want the answer or not?
No.17841
>>17838As much of a freak and criminal they may be, this is not the picrel forum. This entire thread is a rule violation kept only on grounds of YNO / YNFG lore. If there are no relevant developments for us and you just want to beat a dead horse, I am locking the thread.
>>17836this. The unfortunate thing is, mobs don't really care. Here they think of it as a convenient excuse to be vile, over there it's a chance to overthrow the already controversial government and place yourself higher.
No.17842
>>17841You should do one better and Delete it, we really don't need this here.
No.17843
>>17840So you're telling me the posters above complaining about him are just massive faggots whining about nothing? Alright I can accept that.
>>17841Maybe some of the tourists bleed into here and think anyone with a brain will take them at face value, no you grease tub we don't care if someone said a few mean words or said something you don't agree with. Grow up.
No.17845
>>17841This was the only place where I saw people talking about this that wasn't pReddit. I'm from the oldguard of this fandom, but I find imageboards uncomfortable to use so I was never here that much. But you guys were the only ones talking about this, sp the thread was useful to me.
But you're the mod so of course it's your decision to delete it.
(It would be nice to call things by their names and say "Kiwi Farms" though, no need to Voldermort things so much jeez)
No.17846
>>17844Bad idea, as far as I heard before, the hoster makemake was known for doxxing an artist. So raids would just lead to your IP being leaked.
Even then, why even do this it's so pointless and nothing. Would rather get rid of the preds and expose more of how YNO and that whole space became just a grooming center since clearly this isn't the first time this happens.
No.17847
>>17846Internet gayops are silly.
The site will burn down eventually anyway. It'll be a shame because I still think it would have been awesome if it was just the online easyRPG + yumewiki combo, hell even the expeditions don't bother me, with a gargantuan game like 2kki it was basically the same as pressing "random article" in the yumewiki. I found a lot of amazing places like that, since I would just look at how to go somewhere then eventually forget and get lost instead.
The problem is the chat function. Why on earth would you put a chat function there. It's obvious that's asking for trouble. The idiots don't even block external links, I thought the only thing you could share were screenshots taken in-game, but it turns out people share imgur/catbox links all the time. This is such a perfect recipe for disaster.
No.17848
>>17847My main concern is real issues which they don't seem to be able to avoid, end up hurting innocent kids and then try to point the finger at people who did nothing.
Other than that, the better option is for people to go through the trouble of hosting themselves and play with their friends alone, it's not meant to be a huge party it was meant to be a solitude exploration game, at most I'd have maybe two more people or close friends with myself and not stumble upon a random rape victim or a furry pedo.
No.17849
>>17844Don't scare the lurkers, they'll start making conspiracy theories about us again.
Besides, it would be extremely autistic and achieve nothing in the end.
No.17852
>>17816Yeah, no shit he never got any other punishment and is able to hop back to another community. You didn't say anything, it was really that easy and it took less than a day for him to be removed from the team upon informing someone. Lemniscate is involved with the project as well?
No.17853
>>17852Lovely news, fuck this guy forever. Wonder what Lem is up to, that guy is most certainly somewhere too.
