>>7241>HYPE AS FUCK
Why? It's not like Kiki is actually making this stuff or that the project has his supervision (See: Project YumeNikki and FRAUD). It's just Kadokawa running out of milking material and opting for YN. While the new content is a good way to revive the community, the way they are handling it seems shit. I would be fine with a fan animation or novel but a big megacorp coming around and staining YN's legacy, (or lack of, at this point) potentially releasing updates/remakes without the original creative vision really feels shitty for me. Not that they don't or can't make good stuff, it just feels like they're unnecessarily bringing something up.
Why can't some things stay dead for the better?
Why do you act like that actully means anything? I'd be willing to be bet that that copyright information was just put there to save face. To me, it seems like this a cheap attempt at exploting a piece of media that is largely considred irrelevant becuase they wouldn't have to worry about the creator of said media. If I were them, I would do the same. Yume Nikki has enough recognition to be worth their time, but there's no way that they would have bothered with it if kikiyama hadn't disappeared. It's practically a freebie.This could mean that even companies,which have to worry about stuff like copyright, think kiki is either dead, or has just stopped giving a fuck. Think about that. If my theory is correct, even companies acknowledge that kiki is effectively dead and feel safe using his work without permission. These are very dark times…
Seriously, you people should stop with your tinfoil hat theories. I'm worried you will start talking about the flat earth soon enough.
Kiki never cared about what others did with his project. Yes, your theory is possible, just like it's possible that NASA is giving us fake footage and thousands are involved in a huge hoax. If they didn't have Kiki's permission, they wouldn't bother to put it in. They don't need to. They could do one million things other than YN. There's no point for anyone to fake all this other than pleasing your ego. And the only reason you convinced yourselves that this is a hoax is so that you can keep denying it all.
Accept it already, Kikiyama is fine with other people creating things out fo Yume Nikki, be it you, me, or Kadokawa.
You're assuming a lot of stuff lmao
So what? What kikiyama's feelings are is irrelevant. Why would they not give any response at all to the tons of people who have emailed them, but suddenly perk up their ears and explicitly give permission to some company while also not bothering to update their site in any way? There's also no way that some company would somehow have found an alternative way of contacting kikiyama, when regular people who have been trying to do so for years haven't. They're not the CIA. I don't buy it. They put copyright information on all of their stuff, so why would this be any different? Permission or no, they have good reason enough reason to put something there. It means nothing, and that's my point.
I'm excited. It's either going to be an amusing trainwreck, a neat fangame-esque experience, or something out of left field, and I'm okay with any of it since the original game will still remain the original game. Manga had nice art and laughable story.
The only thing that would blow my mind is Kikiyama changing anything on their website, posting a new project, or even just concept art behind Yume Nikki. That's all I'd ever want.>>7257>>7260
Think of it this way: Would a big corporation take a huge public risk like this if they didn't have Kikiyama's permission? Even if say they knew Kikiyama was dead, do you think they'd risk a friend or family member going public, showing proof of Kikiyama owning the website or something, and cause a huge scandal?
Also, it's one thing seeing thousands of spam emails from some foreigners, but when you see some officially marked email from the company that made the engine you worked on, then yeah, you'd probably give that more attention, and were like, "Sure, do whatever you want, you have my permission legally to do this. Kay, goodbye."
Because money. It seems very likely at this point that Kikiyama doesn't even check the email provided by them. At one point, they responded to emails, but then they just stopped entirely. It sems far-fetched that Kikiyama would check that email just in case something important came up when there was no reason for them to think it would. Also, if Kikyama's family cared enough to say something, they probably would have done something about all of the merch based on Yume Nikki already sold. That's also assuming that Kikyama's family would both know about the pseudonym and pay any attention to this kind of stuff. Besides, who would actually believe somebody who just claimed to be kikiyama's relative? The only person who could call them out would by kikiyama themself or somebody with help from kikiyama, and there's no reason to believe kikiyama would do that after all this time and everything that has happened. The actual legal grounds are also rocky since kikiyama doesn't own rpg maker, so why would kikiyama or his family risk the anonymity that kikiyama clearly values for something that they very apparently lost interest in without even knowing if it's within their right to complain?
>>7258>List of personal opinions
One question, where did Kikiyama say any of this is legit? Answer that and I leave this shithole forever.
>>7261>Would a big corporation take a huge public risk like this if they didn't have Kikiyama's permission?
Yes, big companies shit on small developers, musicians and artists ALL THE TIME without consequences, that was never a risk.
because of japanese copyright laws, kikiyama would still be the copyright holder for a couple years(i think 50?) even if he was dead/missing in action. this isn't just a company risking a scandal, this is possibly illegal. i don't think they'd take that risk.
Yeah, and whose checking? Unless kikyama says something, which they very likely will not, nothing will happen. At this point, would kikiyama even be able to identify themself if they wanted to? Even that's questionable.
From what it looks like, it seems to be a follow-up/sequel/remake rather than an anime judging from >>7266
Which I don't think is a good thing, I'd rather have Yume Nikki not have a sequel that lacks the style of the original.
And if this turns out to be stereotypical anime shit I'm fucking shooting myself.
I'm wondering how this would even stand up to some of the bigger fangames? 2kki alone is an excellent sequel/spinoff.
I think they're great, though that pic you posted is the worst one.
Its a dating sim
Mado looks weird but I have no issue with the others, really.>>7266>pre-order
red flag red flag red flag
2kki and .flow are better sequels than any straight YN sequel could ever be. The story YN had to tell ended, Madotsuki is dead. There is no good reason to come back to it.
Where did he say it isn't? The problem I have with you is not that you bring a possibility to the table, but that you are convinced you are in the right.
That could mean simply that it's launching soon. It's not necessarily talking about sales.
I'm not knowledgeable about this but isn't it illegal to put the creator copyright without their consent?
Just the fact that it's a game and not another sorry attempt to turn the original game into a more conventional story like the manga is practically a blessing.
I feel like if they bothered to put the effort into making a sequel to Yume Nikki, they probably have something pretty good in mind. We'll just have to wait and see.>>7269
The fangames are overrated trite. The fact that they're praised anywhere near the level of the original is a fucking insult. They're just cheap, lazy rip-offs that only exist for people to show off their RPG Maker 'skills'.
>>7279> They're just cheap, lazy rip-offs that only exist for people to show off their RPG Maker 'skills'.
Using YN's general gameplay style doesn't make something tripe. That's like saying all shooters are trash because Doom exists.
>>7265> this is possibly illegal. i don't think they'd take that risk.
Sorry, maybe I should have used caps where I said it happens ALL THE TIME.
Corporations defecate in the heads of defenseless producers and the posibility of Kikiyama being defenseles(disabled, dead, etc) is firm.
>>7275>Where did he say it isn't? The problem I have with you is not that you bring a possibility to the table, but that you are convinced you are in the right.
I'm not, if Kikiyama updates their website, I will be proven wrong and celebrate this new thing.
See this? >>7283
This is not someone that is not convinced that he's right. Now, you may not be like him, but most people that talk about fraud have blind faith in their conspiracy theory.
Imho, it's quite unlikely that there's any fraud going on. It's not like YN is a multi million dollars franchise. As far as I'm aware, sales have been average at best. It's just not worth getting into trouble. You would need to basically build the franchise from the ground, and if you are doing that, you may as well do it with something you really own.
Fraud or not it looks like shit. I don't dig it.
That's great man, your opinion is yours, we may all enjoy our opinions.
shit, didn't even think of that.
>>7281>all shooters are trash because Doom exists
but it's true
What about wolfenstein?
Yume Nikki has been talked to death. Before the big announcement, this imageboard (from my lurking perspective) seemed to consist mostly of conversations about being NEET. The game has already been squeezed dry of all meaningful discussion, so why does anybody care what happens to the community? Friends you already have made can stay your friends. There are a million obscure imageboards to talk about being NEET on. If anything, a new project is the only chance this community has to be revitalised.
Likewise, despite other shitty projects (e.g. the manga,) v0.10 remains enjoyable to play. Whatever kadokawa gives us, no matter how shitty it is, v0.10 will still be special.
Basically, this whole situation is either going to give us something to be happy about, or affect nothing. If you measure your expectations, you can only be pleasantly surprised or come out exactly the same.
Everybody complaining needs to pick up a new hobby.
Yeah because the possibility of a bunch of corporate faggots making false official content without Kikiyama's authorization doesn't affect anything.
Also, you said it right there>There are a million obscure imageboards to talk about being NEET on.
Why not this one? You know a horde of normies is coming, and you know we don't want them here.
>Yeah because the possibility of a bunch of corporate faggots making false official content without Kikiyama's authorization doesn't affect anything.
You're basing your opinion on things you don't even know are true yet, as likely as they may be. Besides, unironically, yes, it affects nothing of the enjoyment from kiki's original creation.
>Why not this one? You know a horde of normies is coming, and you know we don't want them here
Nothing lasts forever and you're wasting energy stressing over things you can't control. Besides, you don't have to be a normie to have your life together, maybe this is the kick up the arse you need.
>>7342>Besides, unironically, yes, it affects nothing of the enjoyment from kiki's original creation.
So you're saying that the development of Yume Nikki up to 1.00 doesn't have consequences?
They have shown the intention of updating it, it already happened, the Steam version is 0.10a an it has changes on it(Even though those are fixes or minor stuff), they will obviously add new stuff, new worlds? New effects maybe?
The point is, canon will change for those fans who consider the Steam version legit, and the community will be divided, it already is, see file.
It's not just that though, I'm a fan of this game, and to see corrupt degenerates abuse the developer simply makes me mad, so if this is true fraud, it does affect things.
>Nothing lasts forever and you're wasting energy stressing over things you can't control.
You're right here, it's inevitable.
>Besides, you don't have to be a normie to have your life together, maybe this is the kick up the arse you need.
My life is perfectly fine and I love it.
As far as I'm aware, there is no changes at all on that steam release (source: http://jp.automaton.am/articles/newsjp/20170110-60642/
) other than fixing what the translators broke (missing sounds/BGM). Why on fucking earth would they dare to add a fucking alpha to it, beats me. It's stupid because they're not developing, they are only fixing their shit. Maybe they could add a "ENVER0.10α" and that would be kind of okay since that makes it different from the original, but it's really, really needless.
>>7348>other than fixing what the translators broke (missing sounds/BGM)
How could they fuck up something like this? How could they release it like that?
>>7344>the Steam version is 0.10a
To be fair, that "version" has existed since Playism first released their translation back on 2015.
>>7340>v0.10 will still be special.
Good post. I don't think anything can change the initial impact that discovering this game had on me. If anything, more fans and new discussion will only help me understand why I feel so personally connected to this god damn game.
An Anime kinda like Angel's Egg would be good.