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New board for recovering NEETs and Ex-NEETs, and people with school/work/reintegration issues: Ex-NEET / Recovery

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 No.16708

Princess maker 2 is really addictive. You can become satan, a general, an artist, a divorcee, ect. Really shows the value of education. Pretty good. Also there's rape. It's criminally underrated. The marketability isn't too high which is a shame and western sensibilities definitely don't fit with it.

 No.16709

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 No.16710

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Ah yeah, it really is. It was like idol project, but way, way better.

 No.16711

I have never heard of that one.It seems extremely obscure and like one of those games released just to promote a franchise. I found a download link from 2008, but it just goes to an online casino site now…

 No.16712

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>>16711
>extremely obscure
rolf what? It has an english translation, that's the farthest you can be from "obscure". I think it's one of the first 10 names that come to mind when talking about japanese retro computing, moreso considering it was made by GAINAX.
Here's your link btw.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/0ub8t2sg8j3btjc/

 No.16713

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>>16711
Oh, wait, just noticed you were talking about Idol project.
It's just more of a joke game but the graphics are nice and it's enjoyable. I never watched the anime, I should.

 No.16714

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That link you gave me is just the pc98 version of princess maker 2… I found a download link for the actual game on a vr threat, but it's in japanese so I can't figure out how to play it.
http://ftp1.emu999.net/pc98/Idol_Project_1_(J).rar

 No.16715

I think there's been a gap in communication here. When I said I've never heard of it before I was talking about idol project.

 No.16716

>>16715
I know. At first I thought you were another anon replying to OP about Princess Maker, but then I noticed you were talking about IP and commented about it here >>16713

>but it's in japanese so I can't figure out how to play it.

Yeah, that's what I was talking about when I said only non-obscure stuff was translated. 99% retro games aren't translated, and they will never be.

 No.16717

When translation software gets good enough somebody might fix that. Maybe that's being too optimistic though.

 No.16718

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>>16717
>When translation software gets good enough somebody might fix that. Maybe that's being too optimistic though.
Very unlikely. Little people is interested in developing software to hack old games that aren't even that known to begin with, plus most of the documentation is in japanese, so even if you had a hacker you'd also need one that knows japanese AND has the patience to lurk over thousand of magazines and manuals from the 90's that, to make things worse, aren't that easy to find (or at least they weren't until some years ago, it's became easier lately).
There are people translating those games, but still, I have over 20GBs of PC-98 stuff, amounting to about 3 or 4 thousand games (it's worth to note that my collection is pretty small!), and at most people will be translating 500, which isn't even 15% of that.

And, even if it was possible to pull this out, the public interested in this kind of things is rather small and the niche remainds pretty much hidden only among those interested, so it'd be pretty hard to find someone interested in translating a game for such a small public.

 No.16719

>>16718
If you could find a way to license the games and legally charge cash muns for them, hype could be raised enough to make it worth it. Would need someone to package them up in a stand alone emulator for distribution on a modern platform like Steam or such, or else the potential market will remain very very tiny. If it stays simply underground, hazy legality, labor of love work, progress will always be slow and there will always be far more projects dropped then completed (because if you can already play it in its original language, what reason do you have to spend a lot of time and effort translating it?)

 No.16720

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>>16719
This is sounds really nice in theory and all, but it's a rather impossible fancy at this point. Most of those games were developed by companies that no longer exist, and the few ones that still do either have already released them as free software (see alicesoft for example), or are still charging for them but conscious they are no longer proofitable, they also know they won't sell in the west so they wouldn't even consider investing in that. The rest are doujin circles so I doubt even the devs remember those exist.

> If it stays simply underground, hazy legality, labor of love work, progress will always be slow and there will always be far more projects dropped then completed (because if you can already play it in its original language, what reason do you have to spend a lot of time and effort translating it?)

Japanese retro gaming scene has always been a love driven scene. Most of us actually did actually learn japanese only to play these games, so there you have it. It's just easier to learn another language than to wait for years on no end to enjoy those games.

 No.16721

When I said software the makes translation easier, I didn't mean just for pc-98 games. I was talking translating Japanese in general. As it stands the best translators out there still are almost completely worthless. In the future if the actual translation of Japanese part was easier than that would remove one barrier stopping these games from being in english which is somebody that knows Japanese.

 No.16722

>>16721
Ah but well, you see, japanese in general for some reason doesn't seem interested in investing in the west market. I myself can't understand exactly what's the root behind this reasoning, but I think it's because they feel more at ease selling at home that a place where potential issues from not understanding the ground under their feet could cost them. For example, consider lolicon. Japan doesn't the slight problem with doing porn with it at all, but were you to try to sell something like that in USA and the least you can expect is a huge mob of feminists trying to burn your office while everybody shames your company's name under labels such as "pedophiles", "misogynist", and so forth. And the way USA is heading nowadays with political correctness doesn't really make it an inspiring-to-be investment for the future either. It's easy to see how the balance of risk/profit would make them consider them not doing that, but then you see that Saya no Uta was actually translated so we go back to ground zero.

It's kind of like consoles and computers. When Windows made its way to Japan, most of the important companies just stopped working with computers at all and instead focused in consoles, since they were a product made in their home country, contrary to Windows which was overseas and could provide little support, if any at all. That's why doujin and other small companies/circles kept themselves working with computers, since they didn't really care for profit and instead focused in the benefit of the unification that windows brought to home-computing and therefore a wider client network without having to make a version for each type of computer.

 No.16723

>>16722
That attitude seems to be changing. It's very slight now, but I'm seeing more and more Japanese games being released on PC, and not just AAA titles either but even more niche games and despite more questionable content.

So I do feel like the Western audience is something a lot of devs want.

 No.16724

This is pretty much totally off-topic, but a lot of Western people's inhibitions have a basis in Christianity. Although people are a lot more relaxed about that stuff now, the arbitrary set of morals that came with it are still here. It's only natural for that stuff to eventually fade away. Again, maybe that's being too optimistic. It's a lot easier to complain about non-existent social issues than actually make things better. Japan has some of the lowest rates of actual pedophilia. Self-righteous prudes are the worst.

 No.16725

It's funny that you say that anon because in an article on the Softegg webpage there's a quote that says that that very thing happened. "The 5 year contract with Intracorp expired in 2002, but an MS-DOS based game was pretty much dead the minute Windows 95 came out. As a child-rearing simulation, it had little chance of competing in a market that had pretty much turned to Quake and Command-and-Conquer clones. And the newspaper articles that said "Princess Maker Sexist" didn't help us either".

 No.16726

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>>16725
Haha, I wasn't making shit up. I've been for a long time in the scene (I'll admit not as long as others though), but I've crawled over enough magazines, sites, forums, and BBS related to retro computing and I'm fairly confident in my knowledge in the topic. It's pretty sad how windows killed the scene, and how USA isn't really ready for Japan, but once you accept it you can appreciate them even more. I don't know if there will ever be a time where things go smoothly, but at the very least I am happy it's not illegal to play them.

 No.16727

It is in some places.

 No.16728

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>>16727
not here.
I can enjoy as much ancient chinese porn as I want and no one is going to stop me.

 No.16729

>>16724
Westerners don't have any problems with sexual stuff, including children, as long as it's done with real people instead of heavily stylized drawings.

 No.16730

>>16724
Lol, no.
I'm too tired to explain, sorry.

 No.16731

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>>16729
>Westerners don't have any problems with sexual stuff, including children, as long as it's done with real people instead of heavily stylized drawings.
>Westerners don't have any problems with sexual stuff
>including children

You jest? CP is illegal as fuck, not even just in western countries but also in eastern, not to say it's extremely taboo in most societies, western christian or not.
And the same applies to loli in most western countries. Just look at UK and Canada, one guy was sent to jail for that kamasutra chibi drawing thing for fucks sake.
What kind of pedo utopia are you fancying here?

 No.16732

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"Westerners don't have any problems with violent stuff, except children, as long as it's not too graphic".
Fixed that for you.

 No.16733

>>16732
Resident Evil was cataloged as racist because you shoot some nig-nogs zombies.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/02/10/editorial-is-resident-evil-5-racist

There was a game about the school shooting in columbia (and if my memory recalls correctly, it was done in RPGmaker or something akin to 2DRpg engines), and guess what, everyone bitched like there was no tomorrow about how it wasn't "okay at all", despite there being dozens and thousands of games about WW2, which is also real and a lot of people died there too. Western do have serious problems with violence, and depends on whether it fits society's standards or not. Oh, killing monsters? No problem. Shooting women? Now how dare you, you mysoginist. There is a nigger in your cast? He better be something better if you don't want to be labeled as a god damn racist.
Don't forget all the people complaining that violence in games is bad because "It makes u become violent". I could go on about how doom was highly censored and banned back in the 90's but that's something really old already, although, even if the trend has faded, it IS still there.

 No.16734

>>16733
You're referring to the Columbine shooting RPG that was made. To play devil's advocate a little bit, I'd say that the comparison to WWII games is a bit off. WWII first and foremost is from a bygone era, and when it comes to bygone eras only massive history spergs and stupid ideologues like your SJWs or whatever idiots are out there. Most people involved with WWII are dead now.

Compared to Columbine and similar shootings, that is a current issue of this time. A video game created about a recent tragedy is always going to cause more of a stir, especially when the older generations don't understand the current state of video games and how they have changed from their idea of video games. At the time of that RPG, it seems like it was either older people who never played video games because "lol, born too early for video games" or their view of video games was of Pac-Man or Super Mario Bros, basically more cartoony and less violent than say Hitman or other games that focus on some anti-hero who kills more realistically than just jumping on a cartoon turtle or eating cartoon ghosts. These people may very well complain about WWII games too but I'm sure that a lot of them might sweep these under the rug since anything based on history is sure to get violent. But the big difference is again, that school violence is a current issue. Many are going to argue that a game based on a school shooting is going to be in poor taste.

Personally, I think if you're gonna make a game, make it about whatever you want. I feel that games, being interactive are a great way to understand certain events. The RPG in question was interesting because it wasn't glorifying the shooters and you had the choice to kill as little to as many students as you wanted. And putting the player in the shoes of two kids who felt like they should get revenge is a dark but great premise. Not to mention, it sounds like the creator of the game put forth a ton of research into the actual event, the issues surrounding the shooters and everything. I'd say that the game was a pretty respectful "documentary game", and I wouldn't mind seeing more games that take major events of world history (not just recent tragic ones) and let you play through them. Or maybe there are quite a few and I've never looked for them.

 No.16735

>>16734
>I'd say that the comparison is a bit off
Yes, yes, exactly, that's my very point when I said "depends on whether it fits society's standards or not". WW2 is "a thing from the past", so even if that Columbia RPG is far less violent and even childish (graphics wise) than whatever new game about WW2 with mad graphics and blood and gore spliting realistically all over the floor, people will react very negatively about how "violence in video games isn't alright", EVEN when that isn't even the main point of the game. It's the same with doom, even if the graphics were cartoon-ish as fuck, people reacted very negatively to the idea of violence itself, because it was far too out of their mind. Again though, doom is a thing from the past, so it doesn't exactly fit in this discusion, so how about changing the title. Take GTA, for example. I've heard dozens of dozens of critics about the game when it came and how negative it was for all the gansgter stuff and violence and freedom to kill, even when cinema has far more blood on the silver screen than all the games up to that point. Of course, lately people have been more accepting, but only because the thing is also fairly old at this point. There are always new games causing controversy for their "violence", though.

It's not that westerns are okay with any kind of violence, it has to be a kind of violence appealing to their society or morals, otherwise "it's plainly wrong, period".

>Personally, I think if you're gonna make a game, make it about whatever you want. I feel that games, being interactive are a great way to understand certain events. The RPG in question was interesting because it wasn't glorifying the shooters and you had the choice to kill as little to as many students as you wanted. And putting the player in the shoes of two kids who felt like they should get revenge is a dark but great premise. Not to mention, it sounds like the creator of the game put forth a ton of research into the actual event, the issues surrounding the shooters and everything. I'd say that the game was a pretty respectful "documentary game", and I wouldn't mind seeing more games that take major events of world history (not just recent tragic ones) and let you play through them.

My thoughts as well. It's a shame people couldn't regard it at all like that, specially when it actually wasn't trying to be anything they claimed it to be. Just because it wasn't the kind of violence they could accept, they hastily rejected it without even giving the game any chance.

 No.16736

It's really annoying how people flip their shit over video games they had no intention of paying for and playing themselves. Who are they say what can and cannot exist depending on whether it fits into their meaningless moral standards?

 No.16737

>>16731
I meant fiction, like movies, shows and books. Absolutely anything goes, no matter how depraved. And people will defend it. An anime or Japanese game, though, will be viciously attacked as sickening pedoshit for perverts if it so much as shows 16 year old girls taking a bath. Or just 16 years old in general, in any situation.

 No.16738

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>>16737
>I meant fiction, like movies, shows and books. Absolutely anything goes, no matter how depraved.
Lolita is far from being the most praised book, even nowadays. Name me just one western book/movie/anything with children involved in sexual/kinky/softcore situations that hasn't or isn't stirring shit even in the present.

 No.16739

>>16737
You are the definition of out of touch.

 No.16740

>>16737
>I meant fiction, like movies, shows and books. Absolutely anything goes, no matter how depraved.
You should visit Anita Sarkeesian's channel Buzzfeed and similar, you're living under a rock.
Just see all the triggering GTA caused over sexist and racist violence, don't get me wrong it's a shit game for normies but it's still fiction.
And it's not new, try releasing games with loli as a western dev, you'll get swatted by dawn.

 No.16741

>>16740
The sheer number of artists I've seen blacklisted from tumblr and youtube with false flags of copyright infringement and/or pedophilia is further proof that shit is fucked. Not to mention the harpies and their "dox em to teach em a lesson" craze.

 No.16742

>>16740
The Monster Girl Encyclopedia was released with loli content. Uncensored. In English. No backlash with four and half stars on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Monster-Girl-Encyclopedia-Vol-1/dp/1626923612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483815454&sr=8-1&keywords=monster+girl+encyclopedia

Not to mention, Monster Musume is pretty fucking popular despite the loli character Papi being a main character and being equally as sexualized as more adult looking characters like Miia or Cerea.

 No.16743

That's because nobody knows about or gives a fuck about monster girls and Monster Musume except for a very small niche of people. Every single Japanese game with lolita isn't going to start a massive shit-storm especially since that's what people have come to expect from them. People and mass media tend to care more about things made in their own country. They only really pay attention and get outraged by that stuff when it's brought to their attention by someone else. They don't go looking for it. You have that incredibly ignorant perception because you constantly surround yourself with lolita things and people who like them. Do you ever even go outside?

 No.16744

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>>16742
>The Monster Girl Encyclopedia was released with loli content. Uncensored. In English. No backlash with four and half stars on Amazon.
Unrelated, JAPANESE thing that not many know compared to the most popular indie games, how do you expect western social justice psychos to tear something to pieces if most don't know about it and it doesn't sell? and they are busy destroying big games because of violence since forever, from Doom, Duke Nukem and Carmageddon, to Bioshock, Call of Duty and God of War, all of them were slammed by western PC machine of apocalypse.

Even Street Fighter, which has a diverse cast of men and women from different ethnicities was found guilty under the following bullshit:

>Women's bodies are not diverse, they are all athletic while we can find chubby, skinny, short and tall men *SEXISM*


I can also find you a flash game released in the west with 13 plays about lolis and that won't make any difference.

Find me one game released in the west with lolis, sexual violence, racist things or anything in the /pol/ spectrum that wasn't criticized, if you do that, I will give you 10 games that were destroyed because of western gender and social justice politics, you live under a rock.

Games in the west are heavily criticized for the following things:

>Misoginy

>Racism
>Excessive violence
>Lack of diversity
>Cultural Appropiation(I'm not shitting you)
>Islamophobia
>Transphobia

Tell me, do you see this happening in the East? No, of course you don't.

 No.16745

>>16743
It was an example. And yes, I do go outside but seeing how you and >>16744 are just going on and on about SJW retards, I have to assume you either live in Seattle or you spend most of your time obsessing over mainstream video game reviewers. I'm not even the Anon who started this shitty argument.

You mention games like GTA and God of War, games that have been censored in Japan. Godhand was a game that actually had more violent moves added for the Western release, Super Smash Bros on the Wii U had a day one patch in Japan to lengthen skirts that wasn't applied to the Western versions.

Fuck, the indie fighting game Skullgirls has a sexualized 16 year old girl and no one really gave a shit either.

Fact is, why should we care about some crybabies on the Internet, we should actually care about how devs respond.

 No.16746

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>>16745
>16 years old
Too old, that's why nobody cares. Call me when something like this appears in the west.

 No.16747

All of the small examples you bring up don't actually prove anything. Games with sexualized minors either induce outrage or are ignored by almost everybody. Also Japanese people are more sensitive towards violence than westerners. We're taking strictly about sexual stuff. The part that's a shame is how games that have violence towards or sexualize anybody who is not without a doubt an adult can't be made or sold in the West. If somebody tried to it would be the death of their career and sell horribly. You seem to think that most people in fucking America is totally okay with everything which is the exact opposite of the truth.

 No.16748

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>>16745
>You mention games like GTA and God of War, games that have been censored in Japan.
Big fucking deal, that doesn't remove the media slamming they got here in the West, you're not the same person? Congrats, neither I am, we were talking about this:
>I meant fiction, like movies, shows and books. Absolutely anything goes, no matter how depraved.
Which is bullshit, Western culture is not open to controversial games, period.

>Fuck, the indie fighting game Skullgirls has a sexualized 16 year old girl and no one really gave a shit either.


Google "skullgirls sexism" or "skullgirls feminism" and humilliate yourself.

Crybabies on the internet you say? Did you miss Gamergate? Don't you know some of these fucks have serious infuence in the real world?
SJWs are not a meme and I am not even American, stop assuming my roots you're triggering me.

 No.16749

This thread sure turned to shit

 No.16750

You know it has when people start writing essays for their internet debate.

 No.16751

>>16748
1) I've always heard about GTA being slammed but little came out of it. Jack Thompson ultimately failed.

2) Where is this slamming that God of War you keep going on about? The only complaint I've ever heard was leveled at the gameplay being a button masher.

My main concern is actual action. SJWs are a meme that a lot of developers fall for, all you have to do is not bend over to their demands because it isn't like they were going to buy the fucking game anyways.

You are concerned with "games getting slammed" which in all honesty is worthless. GTA and God of War are still over the top, getting high reviews on release (regardless if they actually earned it or if those reviews ever truly matter) and generate a lot of hype by those who would buy those games.

And I didn't miss Gamergate, but after a while it was clear that your typical "gamer" was just as weak at any meaningful change as the very SJW was. Especially in an industry where you can't even get the average consumer to consider switching over to PC over consoles because "MUH EXPERIENCE". It's less about about annoying SJWs and more about the shitty developers who pay attention to whiny babies who wouldn't have bought their games in the first place and pay zero attention to the customers who would pay top dollar for their best products. It's a developer's choice to cater to certain groups. It was Blizzard's decision to remove that "sexual" pose from Tracer from a single fucking post on a forum. Those developers who choose to listen to a "game critic" like Anita shouldn't be supported. Nintendo, Sony, and MS make the choice to lock down their consoles and charge you out the ass for ports and remakes and rehashes as well as online MP and other shit. And yet you want to bring up Gamergate where people got mad at shitty review sites, despite the fact that anyone who was serious about gaming was going to watch someone actually play the game on Youtube instead of reading some clown off IGN who gets paid to pretend that he actually played the game.

Point is, fuck the crybabies. Also, I never read a thing about Skullgirls being sexist, you know why? Because I'm too busy either playing the game, reading content from actual fans, fansperging, or fapping to some rule 34 of it.

 No.16752

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>>16750
At least my essays were about PC-98 goty stuff and not autistic crap. I'd recommend to strive the thread back to it but then I remember we still have the retro thread there. I'll make some entries later.

 No.16753

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Simulation games are great at passing a lot of time. Having to think about and balance various things really creates an immersive experience that's addictive. Lpers on youtube and their twelve year old fans have pretty much forgotten the whole point of simulators which is not to be some shitty sandbox. Games made mostly to waste time don't have as much player input, but that doesn't mean they should play themselves for the most part and require basically nothing of the player which is what clicker games do. Clicker games are newer and what's more popular now, but simulators came first and are way better at passing time and just being fun games.

 No.16754

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>>16753
Not necessesarily retro per se, but I find Dwarf Fortress really comfy in that aspect. I have it running in the background and only check periodically if there's anything I need to do, like arranging new stocks, getting rid of trash, goblins, checking my food production or designing new places in my fortress. Really fun when something big happens and needs more input from my part, like a siege.

 No.16755

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>>16754
Games like df are good to passively play here and there which has merit in its own right. Personally I prefer games with a clear ending to them because they just feel more satisfying. It's not the kind of thing I would spend most of Sunday playing though. Games with constant micro-managing can totally distort your perception of time. It's actually a little scary.

 No.16756

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 No.16757

>>16755
>>16756
>Personally I prefer games with a clear ending to them because they just feel more satisfying.
I normally set some goals to mark an "ending", and once they're fullfiled (or I get too bored) I let madness run amock the halls and release the horrors from the vaults to let it end in the most twisted way possible. Call it a sadistic (masochist?) pleasure, but I do enjoy seeing the fruit of all my efforts decay in such a decadence. If we can't reach heaven, we may as well set hell free on earth instead of waiting to go there.

Damn, that game looks too nice, I will see if I still have it around my collection.

 No.16758

>>16738
>>16739
>>16740
You people are in denial at best and pushing an agenda at worst. I've seen this double standard play out over, over, over and over again in many communities, it is absolutely real and there is no use denying it.

 No.16759

>>16758
Okay, alright faggot, sure. You can just go around the fucking streets wearing a I love little girl pussy shirt and everybody would be totally unfazed. You can go to any goddamn store and buy games where you rape your three year old sister. Nobody in the news ever complains about any soggy knees and there are not laws in places like europe and australia preventing the distribution of pornography with cartoon children. If you told someone you were a lolicon and explain what that is to them they wouldn't be creeped out in the slightest and be considering calling the pigs on you. Whatever you say.

 No.16760

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>>16759
Blame society.

 No.16761

>>16759
Strawman bullshit and blatant misrepresentation of what I'm saying. What agenda are you trying to push here?

 No.16762

>>16758
Nice bait fag, at least the others were giving their actual opinion.

 No.16763

>>16759
You come off as a butthurt lolicon. Seriously.

It's like you are completely unaware of normies who do shit like age play during sex or the insane amount of "barely legal" girls who dress up and act like fucking kids all while getting fucked by men in their 30s. Jailbait is an entire genre of porn too.

I think the point of that Anon is that some pedophillic shit IS acceptable by the public at large even if the laws say otherwise. While it's not lolicon manga or anything like that but that's mostly because who the fuck reads manga outside of a small niche of people?

 No.16764

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>>16758
You still haven't named a single game, movie, book or thing involving children (not teen) in erotic situations from the west that people accept without stirring shit up.

>>16763
I see your point, but you can't seriously consider jailbait as an argument here. That would mean you are misunderstanding lolicon with "under 18". I don't know if there's a definition set in stone somewhere, but lolicon is anything below 12, or even going as far as 14 for some, though that's (again) really debatable. The west is 100% against that kind of thing, coming from the west, or coming from the east. In all my life, I've only seen 1 person outside the anime/lolicon or the real pedos that go to those circles who wasn't creeped out by this, and she was the sister of a lolicon who drew loli in the US and was sent to jail for downloading some child pictures (non-nude, apparently). Guess what did the police tell him? "We have been keeping an eye on you since you opened your blog". It made a big commotion in 8ch/loli board, before it was flooded by real pedos "wanting to touch children with their dick". I left that forsaken place for a reason, even if I'm all for 2D loli, those fuckers were really creepy as fuck (not to mention 8ch was utter shit too). And I wasn't the only one, it seemed like most of the 2D side felt more or less the same way about them. If even we, who are called "sick pigs" by people, felt creeped by those "3D predators", how do you expect any normal person would react to that? Fair enough, this is not fiction so it'd understandable if people felt that way, but I repeat, I haven't seen any work of fiction thus far that was accepted by people outside those circles. Zero. I'd be surprised if people can quote names other than "lolita", actually.

Congratulations, the thread is ruined.

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>>16763
>some normies doing daddy roleplay privately is somehow related to pedo/violent games being accepted in western society.

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>>16764
Meh, I'll admit that I tend to view lolicon as "under 18" mostly because if I see a short girl with no tits, I assume a girl that hasn't matured phyiscally. Using Monster Musume again, characters like Miia are supposed to be like 16-17 maybe even 15 but you could argue that she looks like an adult with her big tits. Papi is the same age, but she is extremely flatchested and more importantly very childish. I do factor in the actual appearance of the characteer as well as personality because age really means nothing. Using another anime, while not an erotic anime, Non Non Biyori has Hotaru a girl who (I think) is under your 12/14 treshold for being a loli character but she is too mature phyiscally, most people would assume at youngest she is like 16.

I personally don't like lolicon but honestly, I don't think Western society is as against things like lolicon on the level some make it out to be. Especially since as I said, a lot of porn plays into shit like this. Like the girls who look really fucking young and even wear girly pigtails and generally acting like some seven year old kid.

I know it's not on the same level as lolicon but the law doesn't really reflect the average joe's morality.

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>>16762
>>16764
Fuck off you fucking normies. Go back to 4chan or Facebook or wherever the fuck you retard pieces of shit came from.

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>>16766
>I don't think Western society is as against things like lolicon on the level some make it out to be.
It's illegal in a bunch of countries, it was recently made legal in Spain, in the US can be penalized with jail in some states (depends whether the judge considers it obscene, well, guess what!). That's far from being "safer" than what people want to believe.
As I said some replies back, saya no uta was translated an released, so it's not like it's completely banned, but I don't see any western dev doing anything like that in a long time, not to mention doing something like that this an stigma even in japan, the land of loli.

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 No.16770

>>16769
fuck
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you
fucking
normie
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 No.16772

>>16771
Do you fucking subhumans seriously have fucking nothing else to do in your lives except spread propaganda and try to take over other people's communities? Fucking fuck off already you fucking piece of fucking shit. Kill yourself. Fucking scum.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.16773

>>16768
I see we are going at this from two different directions. You are citing actual law, and (hope I'm not putting words in your mouth, please correct me if I am) seem to be saying that morality of the common man lines up perfectly with the law. Which is why I'm bringing up things like 3D porn where women appear like little kids being acceptable.

I just don't believe that the West is 100% against loli. As I said, I don't even like lolicon but for me to tell you that you cannot enjoy drawings would mean that I would have to tell off those age players too, because in both cases you are enjoying a fantasy and not actually hurting anyone.

It's kinda like weed, really. People want it illegal but you have an entire subculture around it and even those who don't smoke weed don't really seem to give a shit. Only real issue I take with your position is it does feel like you are using the state's morality rather than average joe.

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>>16773
Morally-wise, it's far more relaxed than it was years ago. That much I admit. Again, some games like Saya no Uta were translated and released, that in itself is something (It's worth nothing that game isn't really that extreme anyway). However, laws are enforced and supported by people who believe in them, that's where my approach comes from.

That aside, for the average joe, the difference between weed and loli though is that with loli you are a "potential child rapist", while with weed you are at most a junkee doing softie drugs. The… implications of being pointed as a "pedophile" are way more nasty than that of a person who smokes weed. Now add to this the idea that you are not a consumer, but a producer of content, and you can see why I don't think devs are going to do something like this in any near future. How many people would dare to post in their facebook something like "Long live loli!" or "I'm a proud of being lolicon", like weed smokers and faggots do?

I only played one loli game made in the west, and people outside of chans reacted very negatively to it. The kindlest comment was something along the lines "this is the most sickening game I've ever played, quit it halfway, I hope the police doesn't charge me for it", even when the game is a masterpiece of humor about the whole thing. I can't even understand how somebody could fail to notice that when it was more than obvious, but that just shows one side of it.

>Which is why I'm bringing up things like 3D porn where women appear like little kids being acceptable.

The thing about that is that they "act" like little kids, but they aren't nearly close to feeling like a "little kid" at all. You know, the other day somebody was laughing pretty hard at 4chan/gif/ and linked a thread that had a petite JAV webm in it. Do you know what was the average reaction of the faggots there? "OMG CP, MODS MODS MODS!!!", "THIS IS SICKENING, WOW, I HOPE YOU DIE AND GO TO FUCKING HELL", "YOU NEED TO BE REALLY FUCKED UP TO ENJOY THIS". 4chan nowaydays is filled with normies and your average joe, so I trust that's actually a very reliable source to test how people react to that thing. Just like people fantasize about rape, but that doesn't make rape "okay" for society or morals.

 No.16776

>>16775
Solid points actually. And talking all this out makes me realize that I forgot that even "normies" with weird fetishes often keep it to themselves and likely play along with people who shit on it to save face, which in all honestly would describe that thread you're talking about. But 4chan and 8chan are shit, most people know this.

Also, here on out, I'm going to quit projecting my live and let live attitude onto people. I really don't have issues with lolicons, but you are right, it would be social suicide to say that you enjoy loli content on a social media site in the same way that LGBT crowd proudly shows their pride in being gay.

But it also helps that if I dislike the content of a game or whatever I just don't worry about it and find something that doesn't bother me but I don't try to ruin everyone else's enjoyment.

One more comment about that /gif/ thread, one more theory is that it could have been a lot of stupid people who live in a massive bubble where every woman has massive Senran Kagura tier tits and has never met a grown woman who just looks really young because she's extremely short and flatchested. But regardless they've fallen for that retarded meme where everything questionable like JAV shit is child porn automagically.



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