I was going to write one...I'll do it later...

EDIT: OKAY, LET'S DO THIS.

I've always thought the Sky Garden was a place all the "cool kids" hang out. Hence those people standing on the edge. She always tried to get their attention, but they always ignored her. She found a secret place full of flowers in a shack, and always liked to sing about them.

One day though, they decided to start a construction project in that area. They never found the shack, so the flowers were safe. When the project was finished, it was full of big buildings and weeds. Nobody ever went there anymore, so Madotsuki was all alone there. Even invisible. (Triangle Kerchief) The place was huge, so she had a really hard time finding her way out.

Picture unrelated.

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Woo, inconsistent crazy theory time. Oh yeah, spoiler alert too.

Personally, I think the area represents death, or is a memorial to someone's death.

-The darkness in the tunnel, the flowers, and the color white are all evocative of death and mourning. Perhaps Mado created this area so that she could go there and feel closer to whoever she had lost (possibly Poniko, Monoe, Monoko, Masada, or possibly all of them), which I guess makes it like a gravesite.
-The only problem with this is that she can already visit her friends in her dreams if she wishes, so why would she make a grave for them? Maybe this area is there to remind her that they are gone in real life, though they continue to live in her dreams.
-The person(s) in question who the memorial is made for may be someone she doesn't remember- perhaps her parents died when she was a young child, since there are no representations of them in her dreams. Since she doesn't remember their appearances, she has no analogue for them in the dream world. Because of this, she created this area as a grave for them. This is all speculation, though.

Or:

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The idea of that area being a death metaphore I really like... especially since on the way up there people have discovered an event that looks like people jumping/falling off.

It contrasts with a lot of the rest of the game, though, which may outline her want for suicide at the end. It's also one of a couple of "high up/overlooking a large urban area" places that are more peaceful in the game, like when she's playing Kiki(and possibly when she's in Masada's spaceship)

Looking at it this way, though: Places where Madotsuki can look over or down on a landscape are relatively peaceful compared to say... Toriningen, Uboa's subdimension world-thing, the road before meeting Shitai where the "uterus monsters" are, a lot of the things in the white desert, Big Red, Kyukyu and FACE... all of the really threatening things seem to look DOWN on Madotsuki or are much bigger or taller than she is.

There's also some Mayan Myth involving Xibalba, the underworld, and how there were very well-guarded white flowers there. ALSO part of death-metaphor.

>>1313

>>1345

Hmm... That's an interesting thing to think about. Now that you say that, I realized almost everything in the various dream worlds has a height advantage on Mado, even the landscapes themselves (especially in the block world, mural world, and the snail creatures in the forest world).

On the subject of Xibalba and the white flowers, one has to wonder if that's a coincidence considering the abundance of Maya/Inca/Aztec influenced imagery in Yume Nikki.

Something else interesting: According to various sites, the entrance to Xibalba is through a cave. Either the flower-filled area or the area immediately following could represent a cave. That isn't saying much, but it is interesting given the connection between the flowers and Mayan myth.

>>1329
about the ghost of herself part, would that mean there are multiple ghosts of her in her dream world? Since in that area with numbers when you go into the part with the beds and closests, stab the tame toringen there, fi you go into a closet it takes you to a place.. with her own ghost in it.

>>1362
The Nexus could be interpreted as the "cave" to Xiabalba, and there were twelve gods of Xibalba. Twelve gods, Twelve doors if you don't count Mado's. And apparently the flowers represent immortality...?

I sure think it might have a bit of weight, considering the abundance of Mayan refs. Why people write it off is beyond me 8T I guess because Japan is cooler than Aztecs.

>>1373

I was referring specifically to the ghost in the tomb-like area that is accessible from the Sky Garden, the other ghost probably has some symbolic meaning too. That particular apparition isn't involved in this theory though.

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>>1374
Damn, never thought of that. That's pretty awesome. About the thirteenth door (Mado's), it might represent the entrance to Xibalba; the other twelve are left to the 12 gods of Xibalba.

Don't all (or most) of the 12 gods have their own domain over forms of suffering or some shit? One could get all into which god represents which door and such.

So like, the Toriningen made fun of her with their googly eyes?

This.
This I agree with.

>Madotsuki has her eyes closed for the entire game.

cat effect

>>1316
ohohoho

>>1316
Cat effect shows red how do you know its not empty?

>>1316
Could just be a part of the effect. Her head isn't really a hand just because of medamaude, etc.

Well that just cuts down half the theories out there.

It's entirely possible that she watched too much TV. It's even reinforced by the fact that video games influenced her dreams enough to get a couple areas of their own. But that's not fun to speculate about so I'm going to ignore the idea.

I actually consider this one of the best theories I've read instead of "rape rape car crash pregnancy penis penis penis semen abuse lesbian transgender!"

>>1364
Yes, it is definitely better than the usual theories. ...thinking back to the constant evidence of rape, let's go with this. O_o Even if it is a tad anticlimactic.
So, does anyone think that there's any direct inspiration from actual movies? Is Neon World a TRON homage? Anyone?

Maybe she's doing the same dream again and again because her TV stopped working.

She must have been into some surreal shit. Of course we've all had surreal dreams before, so eh.

>>1366
There's no constant evidence of rape, I think that it's all imagined.

>>1370
I guess I worded that wrong. I meant to say how it seems that everyone seems to be obsessed with interpreting everything as rape. You'd have to have a pretty messed up mind to see most of it.

Madotsuki was a huge fan of Earthbound, hence areas in her dreams based on Earthbound. She read about the game, and the story of the black and whit emovie that inspired Giygas and became obsessed with black and white movies, trippy videogames, and crazy theories. Then she dreamnt about it.

>>1347
Thank you. You do not need trauma to have screwy dreams.

OH AND I THINK MABBE SHE WAS ON THE INTERNET AND SAW YOWIE I THINK THATS ENOUGH TO FREAK SOMEONE OUT

BECAUSE THIS ONE TIME I SAW YOWIE FROM MY FRIEND AND IT WAS A LITTLE BOY WITH CATEARS AND A TALL BLOND GUY AND IT WAS SCARY I DONT WANT TO SEE YOWIE ANYMORE

MABBE SOMEDAY PEOPLE WILL STOP SCARING OTHERS WITH WEIRD THINGS OH WHY IS THERE A LOT OF EYEBALLS IN YUME NIKKI

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I like that image.

I don't think you like Yowwie. Just a guess.

WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA

who's the dick that went for the power dot

>>1361
Oh EPIC.

Man now I'm starting to make this sound like some kind of advertisement for kids to not take drugs or something.

I like this theory

Here comes another one. I'm focusing on the actual worlds instead of the characters them selves.
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Forest World- Maybe she really enjoyed playing in the forest, and she always played with her siblings, pretending they were ghost. Maybe that explains the drooling ghosts. There were also a lot of frogs in the forest explaining frog effect.

Block World - Madotsuki enjoyed playing with her toy blocks in daycare, and one of her friends was the floating hat and scarf. Maybe Madotsuki went up to confront her with something having to do with stoplights, showing hat and scarf's face. Explaining what happens if you use stoplight on her.

Dark Puddle World - Madotsuki really enjoyed playing in the rain. She was walking down a different path one day, when she saw a run over corpse.

Dark World - One of her parents were murdered in the dark. He set down the knife somewhere and Madotsuki wounded the murderer. The one-eyed ghost is one of her siblings, clinging to her with a scared expression.

Snow World - Madotsuki loved snow, just as much as she loved rain. I think that Hat-and-Scarf is the same sleeping girl in the igloo, so she went over to play with her alot. When she wasn't sleeping...The Toriningen is one of her neighbors, and Poniko is the rich kid who lives in the castle behind a lake.

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>>1187
Do I have some kind of habit of forgetting about Masada? Well I think that Masada was her father, and he had a boat. One day, they said that the boat had crashed on an island. After that, Masada came back alive, but had a deep wound in his leg, that wouldn't stop bleeding. (explaining that big crying-leg-thing). Oh yeah, he was murdered by the murderer, cause he was the most weak and open. Poor Masada.

>>1188
A nice boat

>Madotsuki celebrated Hanukkah

Uh... Mado is Japanese...

>>1199
Well, well. How would you KNOW that's she Japanese huh? I mean, it is a theory after all.

EDIT: Oops, forgot to be a namefag.

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Okay, I have another one for ya guys.
I've been wondering about Numbers World, so I kinda want to focus on that today, and another area.
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As I thought Madotsuki was bad at math and blah blah blah. So I'm thinking that the room full of all of those guys may also be school obstacles and tests. The blue face thing is her good grades, but she first has to pass of all of those things. Saying that you have to kill all of those guys to see the blue face. After she finishes though, she wonders what she accomplished, saying that nothing happens if you stab all of those guys. Kyukyu is a teacher that keeps on motivating Madotsuki to keep on going (walking up the steps) but since the teachers at her school were so mean and fierce, she quickly loses confidence (FACE). The room with all the beds must be a nursery, and the Toriningen is the caretaker. Madotsuki sometimes likes to play pranks on her, but when she get's caught, she's either sent to the "time-out" room, or into the closet. (if you stab the Toriningen, you can go into the closet, or if you get caught your sent to that cut-off place). More info on the closet, Madotsuki get's sent there many times, and when she's in there, she feels like she's there forever to the point she might "die" of boredom. The ghost represents her "dead spirit".
The place where you get severed head effect is the teacher's lounge (where all the Toriningen are) And that's where kids are usually punished. (I mean, they don't ACTUALLY cut the kid's head off but, you know what I mean).
In lamp world I think that's where the outside of the school is,with all the street lamps and stuff. Maybe Madotsuki found a broken lamp post and took it with her. Also, the dirty river was a polluted river. Madotsuki would always just watch all the garbage float by (that weird guy that's in the river).

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bump. I really like these theories.

>>1356
AUUGH, WHY DID YOU BUMP, NOW I HAVE TO GO AND WRITE A THEORY, AUUUGH.

But I'll do it to amuse you.

I heard the song is a Japanese folk song, but I don't know the name.

My theory:

This is a therapist's office and Madotsuki is there because her parents are worried about her. Since she's supposedly a Hikkikomori, I'm guessing this was before she went full blown hikki and was starting to talk less and less, for some unknown reason (probably something traumatic) Her therapist suggests she takes up music and gives her a flute and teaches her a bit. Mado's parents also hire Masada to teach her piano, thinking she should express herself through music.

I didn't think of the small room.

One theory I've seen in many places is that she was raped and became pregnant, so perhaps this could have to do with morning sickness?

Here comes the new challenger.

>>1172
She could be afraid of getting pregnant

>>1173
I love these guys for some reason. I also love the music from that area!

But I don't specifically think they are vomiting for no reason, I think they had door-like holes cut into them with the chainsaw.

... But I doubt that matters for anything.

>1177

If she fears getting pregnant, that puts Cancer's area in a new perspective.

She's afraid of impregnation, and Uboa sends her to an area full of thick, white stuff...
:S

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>>1180

>>1172

That's actually not that bad man

Possibly throwing up can be interpreted as relieving or like refreshing. This could tie in with her eventual suicide. I dunno how to word this really, its pretty late and I'm tired

>>1180
They could be puking because they're, well, sick things in a hospital.

that or it's cough syrup. Now that sounds dumb but bear with me.

Cough syrup is hallucinogenic, but drinking a lot of it causes hallucination AND puking. And believe me... the things in her dreamworld are not that far off from a bad trip on nyquill or something.

On a much more believable note, with better connection to the game... There are a ton of things eating in addition to a ton of things puking. Devour, hurl, repeat. Now I hate to go to automatic TEEN GIRL SYMBOLISM but hey, bulemia is pretty rational when you put those two pieces together.

>>1244

Cough syrup is less far fetched than you think. Drug laws are pretty tight in Japan, so when teens experiment with drugs, they're going for OTC dissociatives and deleriants, not marijuana, opiates and amphetamines. The bleak and surreal nature of the dream is closer to a DXM and DPH fueled hallucination than the effects of other kinds of drugs; most notably, the lack of speech would suggest some sort of dissociative is involved if any drug is.

>>1325
I wasn't sure about how it fit with Japanese stuff so, it's neat to hear that theory actually works! I mean lots of people talk about "DRUG THEORIES" in YN and I'm kinda like "huh this game kinda gives me dxm flashbacks"

Especially the puking )%

Where in the game is this? I don't remember ever seeing these guys (but I'm not entirely sure that I've explored every location in the game).

>1341

When you get to the white desert, stab both of the hads of the door you came in through. Than stab the box with the eye on it untill you are teleported here

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